Why do you believe the law is not binding on Christians?

[gamlet]

Jesus is saying it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away before the law would fail what it was to accomplish.....which it did.

I think you're making a mistake in reading this. I believe it means that the law would not fail. The heavens and earth have not passed away yet, so the law has not failed yet. It is still prescriptive, at least the moral part of it but not the ceremonial.

 

[gamlet]

The OT law was a prophecy about the coming Messiah and would not fail to accomplish its purpose which it did through Christ who embraced it, perfectly kept it and fulfilled its prophecies of Him. Mt 5:17,18 "Fulfilled" carries the idea of ending, ceasing. Like when an agreement is fulfilled then it ends, it ceases and neither party is bound by it anymore.

If Christ did not fulfill it then He was not the Messiah and ever jot and tittle of the OT law is in placed and binding upon every one. So everyone must keep all the OT laws, including all the animal sacrifices. But as Col 2:14 says Christ took (perfect tense) that OT law out of the way, it was abolished (made inactive), Eph 2:14,15.

AS I posted earlier, Paul said in Rom 7:1-7 that it is sinful (spiritual adultery) for a Christian to try and keep the OT law and Christ's NT law at the same time, it would be like an adulteress women trying to keep two husbands at the same time.

Is Christ's NT Law different from the OT Law?
Please differentiate between the Ceremonial Law/Sacrifices which Christ fulfilled because they were shadows of Him awaiting His fulfillment and the Moral Law (Ten Commandments) which were prescriptive of behavior and were not shadows in the same sense as the sacrifices.

 

[gamlet]

Not only Ten commandments brother. All law of Moses including animal sacrifice is from the Lord.

Are you doing animal sacrifice, to show your obediance

Brother, in my understanding, if you invite Jesus in your heart than you are doing Sabbath law and animal sacrifice law.

If you invite Jesus into your heart and worship on the Sabbath day you are keeping the Sabbath. If you invite Jesus into your heart but worship on a day other than the seventh, it's still okay because you love Jesus but you are not keeping the Sabbath.

 

[Ariel82]

How do you stop worshiping God on any day of the week if Jesus is in your heart?

I totally don't get that statement.

its not about "worshiping God on any day but the Sabbath" its about worshiping God EVERY DAY with EVERY breath and EVERY action.

but keeping the letter allows you to think you keep the Spirit and believe that lie because

many just understand its outward forms without comprehending the Truth of God's Word.

 

[Ariel82]

Christ's NT Law

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Romans 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Galatians 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Galatians 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

 

[RedTent]

Not only Ten commandments brother. All law of Moses including animal sacrifice is from the Lord.

Are you doing animal sacrifice, to show your obediance

Brother, in my understanding, if you invite Jesus in your heart than you are doing Sabbath law and animal sacrifice law.

Blood of animal sacrifice was from the Lord as a shadow of Christ, for it is only through the blood of Christ we are saved. If we use animal blood instead of Christ's blood, we are not following God or scripture. In order to follow the law of Moses, we must follow what Christ made complete. and we must follow the law of Moses. Christ became our high priest, all sacrifices ordered by God were taken over by Christ, the temple was not a physical place any more but in us, to follow the law of Moses we must follow each thing that Christ did for us.

We must also know what did not change. When God created the earth and us, God created a seventh day that God blessed. That did not change.

 

[gamlet]

I assume you mean Mosaic Law. An exposition of Romans 10:4, which says: "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes," will help in understanding what is means that Christians are not under the law. The apostle Paul clarifies the effects of original sin in Romans 2:12, stating "All who sin apart from the law will perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law." All men stand condemned before God, whether they are Jews or not, or to put it another way, whether they have the Law of God or not. Paul also states "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).

If we are without Christ, we are justly condemned in God’s sight by the Law that was given to His servant Moses. However, we might argue that those who are not Jewish and therefore do not benefit from the knowledge of the Mosaic Law (including the moral and ceremonial laws), should not be condemned in the same way. This is dealt with by the Apostle in Romans 2:14-15, where he states that the Gentiles have the essence of God’s legal requirements already ingrained and so are just as much without excuse.

The Law is the issue that has to be dealt with in order to bring us into a right relationship with God. "Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" (Galatians 2:16). This passage reveals that the Law cannot justify or make righteous any man in God’s sight, which is why God sent His Son to completely fulfil the requirements of the Law for all those who would ever believe in Him.

Christ Jesus redeemed us from the curse that has been brought through the law by becoming a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). He substituted Himself in our place and upon the cross took the punishment that is justly ours so that we are no longer under the curse of the Law. In doing so, He fulfilled and upheld the requirements of the Law. This does not mean that Christians are to be lawless, as some advocate today—a teaching called antinomianism. Rather, it means that we are free from the Mosaic Law and instead under the law of Christ, which is to love God with all of our being and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves.

Christ became the end of the Law by virtue of what He did on earth through His sinless life and His sacrifice on the cross. So, the Law no longer has any bearing over us because its demands have been fully met in the Lord Jesus Christ. Faith in Christ who satisfied the righteous demands of the Law restores us into a pleasing relationship with God and keeps us there. No longer under the penalty of the Law, we now live under the law of grace in the love of God.

Love for God and love for neighbor is made specific by the Ten Commandments.

Christ is the end of the Ceremonial Law because it is these that foreshadowed His sacrifice on the cross.

 

[gamlet]

The True believer has through Christ kept all the commandments of God, also through Him they have been punished for all the sins they actually sinned against God in the flesh, and now they are seated together with Christ in the heavenlies Eph 2:6

If we only need to keep the commandments vicariously through Christ, then why does James advise: "Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom" (James 2:12). And in the previous text he mentions the specifics of the law, i.e. against adultery, murder, etc.

 

[Ranting]

The blood of the Cross!Enjoy

 

[gamlet]

Paul is making a comparison between a woman who has two husbands and the Christian keeping both the law of Moses and Christ' s NT.

Paul says "So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress:"

A Christian is one married to Christ and His NT and if the Christian tries to keep both the OT and Christ's NT law, then he is committing a spiritual adultery against Christ as the woman keeping two husbands is an adulteress.

Yet Paul said if the woman's "husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband" So if her husband is dead she is free from the law to be married to another man.

Likewise for the Christian, Paul said "Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another,even to him who is raised from the dead.."

Christ dying on the cross taking the OT out of the way makes the Christian dead to that OT law and to be married to Christ and His NT gospel.


In Rom 3:31 Paul is saying faith does not void "law"..... the OT law, Christ's NT law, man's law of the land, etc.
Paul is not saying faith keeps the OT law in effect:

A False View

Before concluding this brief discussion, we must address an erroneous theory that has engaged the interest of some in the community of “Christendom.”
It is alleged by many that Romans 3:31 demonstrates that the Mosaic law, with the exception of the offering of animal sacrifices, is as binding today as it was thirty-five centuries ago. Hence advocates of this ideology, appealing to this text, attempt to justify some of their practices, e.g., a physical priesthood (Catholicism, Mormonism), carnal forms of worship (burning incense, the use of instruments of music in worship, and holy dancing — cf. Hebrews 9:10), or the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath.
While there are many lessons to be learned from the Old Testament (cf. Romans 15:4), and though the former law contains principles that are timeless in nature (cf. Proverbs 6:16ff, for example), the law of Moses itself, as a legal system, is not an obligation for modern man (and never was for Gentiles).
Even the Israelite people (to whom the law was given initially — Deuteronomy 5:1-5) have been released from the Mosaic code. The following list reflects some of the terms used in the New Testament to signify that severance: “fulfilled” (Matthew 5:17), “dead to,” (Romans 7:4), “discharged from” (Romans 7:6), “passing away” (2 Corinthians 3:7, 11, 13), “no longer under” (Galatians 3:25), “no longer bondservant” (Galatians 4:7), “set free” (Galatians 5:1), “called for freedom” (Galatians 5:13), “broke down” and “abolished” (Ephesians 2:14-15), “counted as loss” (Philippians 3:7), “taken away; nailed to the cross” (Colossians 2:14), “no longer judged by law” (Colossians 2:16), a “new, better covenant,” with “better promises” than bestowed under the “old” covenant (Hebrews 8:6, 13).
Such expressions could be multiplied, but these should be sufficient to show that the Mosaic code, as a law system, is no longer in force. Hodge puts the theme into perfect balance. “That law is abolished, not by being pronounced spurious or invalid, but by having met its accomplishments, and answered its design in the gospel” (83).
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1298-meaning-of-romans-3-31-the

Whose law is the OT Law? Is ir not Christ's? The choice given to the Christian here is not between the OT Law and the NT Law because there is an essential unity to them. The choice here given is between two ways of gaining righteousness: one is through dependence on his obedience to the Law (Pharisaic/Jewish); the other is through depending on God's grace (Christian). So, I as a Christian am saved by grace. I keep the Law including the Sabbath but I do not depend on my obedience to it for salvation. I observe it as a means of blessing and happiness that God has given to His children. As the Ten Commandments were given by God to His children after He had saved Israel from bondage in Egypt, so God gives the commandments to His children today not that they might be saved (the cross serves this purpose) but that they might live a happy and blessed redeemed life.

 

[gamlet]

The 10 commandments was given only to the Jews to keep, Deut 5:1-3, that covenant only being with the Jews.

The Ten Commandments is a universal law--given to everybody. Which law did Cain violate? There was no Jew yet during his time. The Sabbath was given before there was any Jew.

"This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus." (Revelations 14:12)

Those who have faith in Jesus have also been given the commandments.

 

[gamlet]

it must have failed for you. Your still trying to get right with God by it.

you evidently have not been killed by it yet (or better yet you do not think you have) thats why your still trying to follow it.

Paul's death to the law does not mean he stopped obeying it. It means he stopped depending on it as a means of attaining righteousness. He was a Pharisee before and their way was depending on the law for righteousness (Romans 2:17).

 

[RedTent]

Thanks. You just proved why we are no longer under the law. We can not keep it.

If we were still under the law. You just proved me right, we would be DOOMED. For "cursed is everyone who does not confirm ALL THE WORDS of this law and OBEY THEM.

As you just said, We can not do it.

Israel could not do it. The yoke was to severe. so why do you want to place us under the yoke Israel could not follow?

You have read a portion of scripture, you know that it is not law that saves. You are ignoring completely a lot of scripture, it is as if you put a brick wall between you and what Christ tells you.

After you are saved, Christ does not leave you friendless. Christ takes your hand and leads you to all that is good. The words for that in Greek and Hebrew are such as God's word, or instructions, not "law". It is in English it is translated as law. It is not a yoke. Sin in a yoke. It is leading to blessings.

Of course, we are not under law for salvation! But we are given the blessings of the law after we are saved.

 

[gamlet]

Thanks. You just proved why we are no longer under the law. We can not keep it.

If we were still under the law. You just proved me right, we would be DOOMED. For "cursed is everyone who does not confirm ALL THE WORDS of this law and OBEY THEM.

As you just said, We can not do it.

Israel could not do it. The yoke was to severe. so why do you want to place us under the yoke Israel could not follow?

So why does Revelations 14:12 picture those faithful to Jesus as keeping His commands?

 

[gamlet]

Hebrews 7 says the law was changed. We now approach God by 'a better hope'.

Which Law was changed?

 

[Ariel82]

The Ten Commandments is a universal law--given to everybody. Which law did Cain violate? There was no Jew yet during his time. The Sabbath was given before there was any Jew.

what law did Cain violate: offering his second best to God.

the Sabbath was given because the Jews rebelled against God in the desert and wanted to go back to Eygpt. the first sabbath mandated to be kept by God was concerning the collection of MANNA in the desert.

it was to remind people that GOD made the rules and to focus on HIM and not how they would feed their bodies but how they should feed their souls.

 

[Ariel82]

Which Law was changed?

all of them given during the time of Moses.

 

[gamlet]

what law did Cain violate: offering his second best to God.

the Sabbath was given because the Jews rebelled against God in the desert and wanted to go back to Eygpt. the first sabbath mandated to be kept by God was concerning the collection of MANNA in the desert.

it was to remind people that GOD made the rules and to focus on HIM and not how they would feed their bodies but how they should feed their souls.

Cain violated the law on murder before it was given to the Jews.

The Sabbath was instituted at Creation (Genesis 1 and 2) before there was any Jew.

 

[Timeline]

Which Law was changed?

Do you find it strange that Jesus didn't make the 10th leper go to the priest? Yes, he told them to go, as it had been written in the Law of Moses. But when the 10th leper came back and thanked Jesus, what did Jesus tell him? Why did Jesus tell him that he didn't need to go to the Priest? Do you think Jesus was in violation of the Law of Moses when He said this? Is Jesus not in us? Why does Paul say that accepting circumcision is denying Jesus? Why didn't Jesus have the "adulterer" and the one she committed adultery with, stoned to death? Why does Jesus take the Law out of the letter and place it in the heart? Why does the NT tell us that the Temple is no longer a structure/building, but it the body of Jesus Christ - and that we are all a part of it? Why are we all called priests and saints - and Jesus is our high priest? Why did Jesus have to die in the flesh? Dying to the Law of Moses?

1 Corinthians 3
Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some, letters of commendation to you or from you? [SUP]2 [/SUP]You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; [SUP]3 [/SUP]being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.[SUP]4 [/SUP]Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, [SUP]6 [/SUP]who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, [SUP]8 [/SUP]how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, [SUP]13 [/SUP]and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; [SUP]16 [/SUP]but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

Romans 7
Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? [SUP]2 [/SUP]For the married woman (the married woman would be God's wife -Jeremiah 3:8 - at the bottom of this post) is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband (this would be God / Jesus Christ) dies, she is released from the law (this would be the Law of Moses - from God) concerning the husband. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress (how many times in the OT did God call Israel/Judah a harlot) ; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law (again this is the Law of Moses), so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man (This would be the resurrected Jesus, which is explained below with actual scripture, instead of my humble words).
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; [SUP]10 [/SUP]and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; [SUP]11 [/SUP]for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. [SUP]17 [/SUP]So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, [SUP]23 [/SUP]but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

We see in verses 7-13 that the Law was not bad, but man is incapable of keeping it. We are not perfect, in the flesh, but are made perfect in the spirit, through Jesus Christ.

Jeremiah 3:8
And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also.

Israel was restored as the Church. But, anyone that was a bloodline descendant of Jacob was not excluded if they accepted/accept Jesus. Jesus was the first fruit. And we, if we continue in Him, produce the same fruit - although it is not us, but Christ in us.

 

[gamlet]

all of them given during the time of Moses.

There were basically two categories of law: The Moral and the Ceremonial. The moral law, basically the Ten Commandments, was not changed because it identifies right from wrong. The Ceremonial Law which was connected to the sacrifices in the Sanctuary were foreshadows of Christ. They were fulfilled when Christ came. This is the Law that the Book of Hebrews deals with.

You cannot lump all the laws of the OT together into one heap. Maturity should lead us to discriminate the Biblical concept of Law.