Why does God allow false Christians in our mist?

[JesusIsAll]

The answer that came to my heart and not as an answer from the more mature believer because she didn't answer. It was a knowing to my heart given... "I want you to learn to ALWAYS trust My LOVE in everything no matter how impossible it seems."

That satisfied my soul and gave the peace needed.

That's so very true and an important point. The essence of a true, strong faith is to trust God, when we can't make sense of anything, like Job did, trust Him more than our own understandings. I've learned much from the most difficult, evil situations of life I couldn't understand, and would not, otherwise, have learned, absent those situations, in terms of actually trusting the Lord.

Proverbs 3:3-7 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

 

[ladylynn]

I don't know why He set it up this way except that it is imperative to God that we trust Him. For a reason I don't fully understand, He loves us dearly and desires us to love Him back and we do that by trusting Him implicitly.

We have the Holy Spirit and the Bible that gives us what we need to grow in our new spirit man. It's our responsibility to know what the Word of God says and to believe what He tells us should we decide to seriously go for this maturing as sons.

Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God. If we chose to not believe something He has told us because it sounds far fetched...then He won't force us to accept it. And because I as a believer will not access (daily) the place to go for the truth., I will not find out how to interpret His Word by reading it and hearing it and hearing it over and over., I will not stand and will fall due to my lack of seeking Him out and knowing His voice., and will fall for a lie of someone who is a false teacher in this world.

The Bible says "My people perish for lack of knowledge" He has given us allllllll things pertaining to life and godliness and yet not all are getting the "all" Many Christians are devoured by the "devourer" because they are "devourable"

Many believers are lawful captives by not accessing the grace of God IN Christ daily.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Satan and his horde do not come to the believer in Christ and say "Sin are you want" because no one for fall for such a lie. Instead they come as "ministers of righteousness".
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Here I added some clarity regarding what some ministers of unrighteousness say:

Instead they come as "ministers of righteousness", who say "GOD loves you for who you are. He would never condemn you for what you choose to do. UBU."

 

[JesusIsAll]

They want us to live by our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness so that we will be not be depending on what Christ has done for us by grace through faith alone for salvation.

And this is a "righteousness" that hasn't forsaken self, the egomaniacal need to be control freaks and glory in self, a perverse system that doesn't really even trust God can save, doesn't even believe His promises in Christ. Those evil Scribes and Pharisees were sure they were the cat's meow, as if they didn't really see the vast distinction between the creature and the Creator. How very far were they from even being able to humble themselves at the foot of the cross, know what it is to be the blessed poor in spirit and those that mourn their sorrowful state, before holy God, when they thought they had their own holiness?

 

[ladylynn]

I think part of the reason God allows us to face so much evil and deception is to give us opportunities to grow in our love for Him. Do we love Him enough to work through the evil and deception, or do we give up and, through our actions, say "Lord, I don't love you enough to seek the truth of you in this. I am comfortable where I am at."

That is one of the reasons God allows bad things to happen to us - so we will stop being complacent and get serious with Him again. That is not the only reason, but it has been my experience at times.[/QUOTE




Yes, I agree God wants us to grow in our love for Him but in order to do that., we have to know and then believe we are loved by Him. We can ONLY love Him because He first loved us. If we don't believe that He loves us., we are not able to grow. We will be cut off at the knees.

It is very important for us believers to know God is not teaching us a "lesson" by allowing us to suffer. God doesn't cause suffering, satan is the one who kills steals and destroys. Jesus has told us as His new creations to walk by faith and no longer the way we once walked according to our flesh.

It is our reasonable service now., it is our calling now to walk by faith and not by sight. And He has given us all we need to do this.

2 Peter 1:3 seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to the life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.

And should we lack anything as it says in vs 9 for he who LACKS these qualities is blind or shortsighted having forgotten his purification from his former sins. Read 2 Peter 1:1-11

The only reason we suffer is we don't access His generous provisions to walk in the faith. We are still trying to walk by sight AND by faith. We can't do both.

 

[resurrection33]

Why does He allow them to deceive us with their false Doctrines? What is God's purpose in allowing False Prophets to exist?

We need to discipline ourselves to obey the Lord. False doctrines tempt us to disobey him. We need to develop the discipline to resist that temptation.

 

[Yet]

The cats meow? I like that.
Its even deeper still. Christ was a man despised and rejected in certain precincts. Are we willing to walk in those sandals? Are we willing to stand for truth when the majority around us will not?
Are we willing to be maligned and ridiculed for honoring God's full council?
Are we willing to stand alone against current apostasies?
The trail of tears and aloneness are shunned by most Christians. The path of least resistance is to 'not study the word to see if these things be so.' Acts 17:11
Go along to get along. That's what the crowd does. Don't rock the Ecclesiastcal boat.

The little boy cried out 'the king has no clothes', while the crowd shuddered in horror that this kid actually had the guts to point out the obvious. Shame on us!

 

[JesusIsAll]

The only reason we suffer is we don't access His generous provisions to walk in the faith. We are still trying to walk by sight AND by faith. We can't do both.

So, it's a faith failure, that saints suffer?

2 Corinthians 11:23-30 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not? If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.

I also believe there are a lot of wonderful and faithful saints, down the ages, you owe an apology, to claim their suffering was, in any way, whatsoever, a faith failure. If you are special and immune, for some faith others lack, including our Lord Jesus, I'd advise you to seriously rethink this.

 

[ladylynn]

God disciplines His children primarily through His Word. And sad to say, because many believers don't read His word God also uses circumstances in our daily life that will cause us to seek Him out. To know again what He says about what is going on in our life.

Again., I'm not saying God causes evil. I've seen Him use issues in my life that bring up my feelings of frustration and annoyance. Someone at work who is extremely harsh and I feel an evil unwillingness inside to love them. But because God loves me, I know He wants me to love them as I'm His graciously loved daughter. Yet because I have not been feeding at the feet of Jesus and instead been around the examples of co-workers or just people in general in the world, my knowledge of Jesus love has sort of been side tracked somewhere along the week by my own fleshly reactions to the opposition.

I don't have that fresh revelation I NEED to stand in the middle of such un loveliness. That un loveliness has sort of splashed on me. So I'm drawn back to Jesus and His Word. That is where I find the truth of how to be again at peace under the shadow of His wings.

Like the Bible says about having our feet washed. We are all clean through and through but we need our feet washed daily because we are walking in the world and it gets on us and influences us more than we even realize.

I am finding as maturity comes., that the daily washing of the Word is MAJOR if I don't want to be sidetracked. It is very very easy to be sidetracked in this world. We have the flesh the world and the devil in our physical face.

But because we are new creations we NOW have Jesus in our new man, and when we hear Him through His Word and His Spirit, we see Him freshly again. Reminded in that same familiar way His love that keep causing us to attain to the knowledge and power of His resurrection.

 

[ladylynn]

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[ladylynn]

So, it's a faith failure, that saints suffer?

2 Corinthians 11:23-30 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not? If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.

I also believe there are a lot of wonderful and faithful saints, down the ages, you owe an apology, to claim their suffering was, in any way, whatsoever, a faith failure. If you are special and immune, for some faith others lack, including our Lord Jesus, I'd advise you to seriously rethink this.

I did not say it is "someones" lack of faith. In context please read my post. I was speaking of when we don't read the Bible and keep aware of what is truth and what is not the truth. How if suffering comes it is not God's hand that causes sin and suffering. It is our lack of knowing the truth that causes us to fall for false teachers.

God has provided His Spirit and His Word so we don't have to be lead astray with every wind of doctrine. It is not God's fault when we are ignorant of the enemies devices. God has given us what we need.

If you want to talk about suffering, sickness and death of believers as a subject, that is totally different than what this thread is about.

 

[valiant]

so that eventually by God's grace they will find the truth

 

[valiant]

Have a nice day...

And there was a lot of grumbling concerning [Jesus] among the crowds; some were saying, “He is a good [man],” but others were saying, “No, but he deceives the people.” John 7:12​

at last you've seen yourself

 

[notuptome]

The elect in Christ cannot be deceived. Tares will be separated at the judgment seat. Goats will be separated from the sheep.

We who are sheep hear the Master voice and follow Him. The others will not hear Him nor do we hear them.

Look steadfastly toward Jesus.

Ac 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ladylynn]

Many Christians stay young in the faith for years. I am a testament to that. While being completely saved and totally made righteous by the blood of Jesus (having this treasure in earthen vessels) ., I was not aware of my righteous standing. OR the promises that go with that standing because of my lack teaching and then lack of faith in His love for me. I believed His love for me was based on my love for Him.

I didn't have an appreciation of the grace of God and what that meant for me as a son with the righteousness of God IN Christ. I put myself under the law again. I was a "lawful captive". Still saved but walking as an old covenant saint when I was a new covenant son. A hamster on a wheel of works going no where.

Even saying that "I am the righteousness of God IN Christ" sounded like heresy at first because we were so indoctrinated in faith + works. We were taught as new Christians we were by (identity) = Sinners.,saved by grace., But...yet "also" by (identity) = saints. Somehow we were saved by grace but only stayed righteous sons when we performed righteous acts and deeds.

We were not taught that righteousness was a gift we received at salvation. We were taught it was a work we did to "be" righteous. When in fact it really is our identity IN Christ now.

I was trying to "be" someone Jesus had already made me (by Himself). How frustrating is that!! A very good Christian hamster on a very good wheel of works until the wheel came off the frame and rolled down the hill. This can take many years of running on the wheel that goes no where.

 

[Willie-T]

Keep in mind that to the person you are SURE is a False Christian, just as sincerely, to them, YOU are a False Christian. (And, more than likely, to God, you are both outside His will.)

 

[FreeNChrist]

Why does He allow them to deceive us with their false Doctrines? What is God's purpose in allowing False Prophets to exist?

"For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you." 1 Cor. 11:18-19

 

[jaybird88]

Tare!

BTW, tare looks exactly like the cereal grain, until it's threshing time. And then the only difference is the grain threshes differently. (One is heavier than the other, although I don't remember which is which.) Tare is also poisonous.

So they look and act like everyone else, but they're poison.

so this would be one that has their own opinions and not share the same opinions as the group?

 

[posthuman]

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[JesusIsAll]

so this would be one that has their own opinions and not share the same opinions as the group?

It would seem this so, if the group were a group of tares, but only God knows. What I do know is this: most here are enemies of the whole truth of scripture, approach the faith like a Chinese menu. There's a lot of cult/denominational error going on here, many you can see the group, with its man made doctrines, behind the claims they want to believe, claims scripture, most often very clear scripture, puts the lie to. It's not really a Bible discussion forum, rather a Christian religions forum, throw in the trolls, perhaps the Christian Bigtop Forum? It is certain, if you were to express the whole truth, you could pretty well alienate most here.