Why does God allow false Christians in our mist?

[posthuman]

in re: the thread title . .

there is probably a "clue" right here --

These are the nations the Lord left to test all those Israelites who had not experienced any of the wars in Canaan (he did this only to teach warfare to the descendants of the Israelites who had not had previous battle experience): the five rulers of the Philistines, all the Canaanites, the Sidonians, and the Hivites living in the Lebanon mountains from Mount Baal Hermon to Lebo Hamath. They were left to test the Israelites to see whether they would obey the Lord’s commands, which he had given their ancestors through Moses.
The Israelites lived among the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. They took their daughters in marriage and gave their own daughters to their sons, and served their gods. The Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord; they forgot the Lord their God and served the Baals and the Asherahs.
(Judges 3:1-7)
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so i think, the tares are among the wheat in order to teach warfare, and to test & prove.
through them, we should learn to rely on Him, and to be humble, and to cling to the truth. to love mercy, and to learn to use our swords, and our shields - to function in our armor.

my wife & i have been following a one-year Bible reading plan with a handful of brothers & sisters in a small group this year. it's been very good -- often over the last few months something i would not have otherwise read, but recently went through because of the reading plan,and talked about with our little group, turns out to be very relevant to a discussion elsewhere.

we should all read the Word more! all of it! God blesses us through this

 

[jaybird88]

It would seem this so, if the group were a group of tares, but only God knows. What I do know is this: most here are enemies of the whole truth of scripture, approach the faith like a Chinese menu. There's a lot of cult/denominational error going on here, many you can see the group, with its man made doctrines, behind the claims they want to believe, claims scripture, most often very clear scripture, puts the lie to. It's not really a Bible discussion forum, rather a Christian religions forum, throw in the trolls, perhaps the Christian Bigtop Forum? It is certain, if you were to express the whole truth, you could pretty well alienate most here.

i think there is a difference from a person who has their own thoughts and not afraid to say them or question the norm because they see a problem. and one who deliberately tries to cause problems just to be a pain.

 

[CS1]

Why does He allow them to deceive us with their false Doctrines? What is God's purpose in allowing False Prophets to exist?

I think the question is very interesting.
I also think there is a presumption about God allowing anything. Why is it's God fault those who are fake or false? God is not it is because of Sin and the evil of mans heart. BUt God ensures the believer will be led into all Truth JOhn chapter 14,

 

[Magenta]

Saying God allowed Adam and Eve to choose (for example) is not to blame God for the choice they made. However, God took responsibility for their choice before they even made that choice, and gave a way to be redeemed from the consequence of that choice Now we have been given a command to love others as ourselves. How difficult is that? Sometimes it seems the most loving thing to do would be to say nothing, and yet we are exhorted to speak.

 

[JesusIsAll]

i think there is a difference from a person who has their own thoughts and not afraid to say them or question the norm because they see a problem. and one who deliberately tries to cause problems just to be a pain.

Those trolling or doing trolling things become pretty obvious, as it's a repetitive behavior: they will say the same sorts of things, or the very same things, over and over, as long as they're getting attention. What I see more of are people who hold to man made doctrines of some denominations and cults (they're all cults, in this sense), trying to sell their denominational biases, sometimes I wonder that they're not continuously trying to convince themselves of their beliefs scripture doesn't support by continuously arguing them. In any case, it's not Bible discussion: it's Bible plus doctrines of men and demons there are whole denominations huddling around, God's special little creatures, in their own eyes, some so silly to believe they have their own Holy Spirit. These people don't want to know the whole truth, which is too unsettling, too scary to them. I think so much gets down to peoples' fears they can't confront and overcome, so they flee to anybody tickling their ears and offering comfortable "truths" that make them believe they have control.

 

[breno785au]

Its so you can see who the real ones are
Paul said something like that in one of the epistles..I gotta find it.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

In the parable of the tares, it is angels who are designated as the reapers. The angels will separate the tares from the wheat.

Matthew 13:41-43 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[Magenta]

Its so you can see who the real ones are
Paul said something like that in one of the epistles..I gotta find it.

It has been posted already

 

[BeyondET]

The cats meow? I like that.
Its even deeper still. Christ was a man despised and rejected in certain precincts. Are we willing to walk in those sandals? Are we willing to stand for truth when the majority around us will not?
Are we willing to be maligned and ridiculed for honoring God's full council?
Are we willing to stand alone against current apostasies?
The trail of tears and aloneness are shunned by most Christians. The path of least resistance is to 'not study the word to see if these things be so.' Acts 17:11
Go along to get along. That's what the crowd does. Don't rock the Ecclesiastcal boat.

The little boy cried out 'the king has no clothes', while the crowd shuddered in horror that this kid actually had the guts to point out the obvious. Shame on us!

I like the guitars huh didn't know you played cool beans

 

[breno785au]

It has been posted already

Don't mind me, I just woke up not long ago lol

 

[Magenta]

Don't mind me, I just woke up not long ago lol

Coffee?

 

[breno785au]

Coffee?

That would be lovely but I have to wait until I get to work to have one because if I turn on our super noisey kettle, the kids wake up..and that's not good for anyone at 5am lol

 

[CS1]

It would seem this so, if the group were a group of tares, but only God knows. What I do know is this: most here are enemies of the whole truth of scripture, approach the faith like a Chinese menu. There's a lot of cult/denominational error going on here, many you can see the group, with its man made doctrines, behind the claims they want to believe, claims scripture, most often very clear scripture, puts the lie to. It's not really a Bible discussion forum, rather a Christian religions forum, throw in the trolls, perhaps the Christian Bigtop Forum? It is certain, if you were to express the whole truth, you could pretty well alienate most here.

I just want to ask to get this right The original thread question is Why does God allow false Christians in our mist




and from what I gather now it is( the thread) about trolls and CC? I'm just asking because I know how many here like to interject a doctrinal possition no matter what the topic is.
? and this is not really a bible discussion forum ? And it appears some hostility in the post I could be wrong but please let me know if i'm wrong i could be.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

We need to discipline ourselves to obey the Lord. False doctrines tempt us to disobey him. We need to develop the discipline to resist that temptation.

Didnt you have a similar thread to this one taken down?

I had responded and a couple of responses after that it was gone, I just wasnt sure if it was the topic itself that was the problem or that you requested it to be deleted but it seemed to be somewhat in line with this one but I never asked the reason for it.

 

[BeyondET]

Good post in my view why does,,, it's because Jesus Loves them too

 

[breno785au]

"For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you." 1 Cor. 11:18-19

There it is lol thanks magenta and freenchrist

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Maybe "tares" are in our midst to keep us on our toes? They can be "thorns in our flesh" but can bring out these qualities - And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation works patience; and patience, experience; and experience, hope: and hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the holy Spirit which is given unto us. - for our growth and maturity.

As for "truth" - there can only be ONE ABSOLUTE TRUTH - yet we see so many differences . . . how do you (or me) know we have the ABSOLUTE TRUTH on any given subject? I know - the holy Spirit will guide us unto all truth - we all supposedly have the gift of holy Spirit . . . yet we all can't be right. Yes, some are babes . . . some mature . . . still there are disputations among the mature! Hmm . . . I guess some things can't be answered so simply.

 

[coby2]

For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[SUP][d][/SUP] who now restrains will do so until He[SUP][e][/SUP] is taken out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, [SUP]12 [/SUP]that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[coby2]

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[PilgrimPassingThru]

There are decent people and not so decent people departing from various online Christian forums everyday.

Whether they depart from a board by choice or get banned from any one of them could be for a number of reasons (and justifiably so or unjustifiably) whether by their own hand or anothers (or whether it be an orchastrated effort by more then just one person against another). That would depend on all the who's (whether in the singular or the plural) and God knows His that even his own would suffer those of ill intent (as well as false witness) so can be difficult to tell the real reason at times. Although it can be helpful to keep a watchful eye open (not always go with the crowd too) since even scripture shows the multitudes were being egged on to crucify Christ by the no gooders, but I would suspect that is how it must go. So it could definately depend if the people are more of the world, the world receives its own, but hates Christ and I dont believe those who truly belong to Christ would always be received. Besides that no matter which forum online you are not garenteed integrity to the word of God simply because one owns a forum no more then you would be in all churches. There is just more order in an assembly, where forums have become more the place to hear two or three share and the other judge (as they hear) or so you would think but you will also have those without discernment and yet others there to take advantage of that but its good to speak the words of God (and not self).

Jerm 23:28
The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream;
and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully.

What is the chaff
to the wheat? saith the LORD.

An example of the two are here as well Mat 3:12

Whose fan is in his hand,
and he will throughly purge his floor,

and gather his wheat into the garner;
but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

That which is false

Jerm 5:13
And the prophets shall become wind,
and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them.

Jerm 5:14
Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts,
Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood,
and it shall devour them.

I believe we can be proved (even as before God) even as though false prophets, even to see whether we love him, even as Jesus said he that keeps his sayings is he that loves him

And there is a scripture that mentions he that wondereth out of the way of understanding will remain in the congregation of the dead (Prov 21:16) that doesnt sound fun but then again to the Angel of the church at Sardis in Rev he speaks of that which has a name that it lives and is really dead too. So I would think you can remain in what is dead also, especially when you wonder out of the way of understanding also.