Why I'm neither Catholic nor Protestant, but Baptist

[atwhatcost]

I don't think I've ever seen a clock in a Baptist sanctuary.

I just counted up the number of churches I tried out and some I've belonged to in 59 years. (I included the Catholic Churches I belonged to from my youth too.) Over 20 churches spanning four denominations and several nondenoms. I've never seen a clock in any sanctuary.

 

[atwhatcost]

I visited a Missionary Baptist Church once and underneath the clock on the BACK wall were the words of reminder for those who kept looking back, "Remember Lot's Wife".

Oh, I like that church! That's so me. I'd read it often and feel guilty every time I did. lol

 

[kaylagrl]

Imo, Church needs to be orderly. Ive been to churches that have desended into chaos with the tongue thing and then say its the Holy Spirit ministering. I thought it was just chaos. There was no interpreting and, imo, just hocus pocus

Yes,some churches abuse tongues,especially non- denominational pentecostals. Usually dont find that in A of G churches.

 

[KennethC]

That is just your view and your opinion Kenneth....you know the difference between you and I...I have consistently been the same faith from the age of 7, whereas your views have been tainted by the 3 different religions you have partaken of....most importantly the Catholic dogma of losing salvation...the bible teaches eternal security even though you deny it by your own opinion!

Well once again that is wrong as my understanding is not tainted by those denominations, as I removed myself from those doctrines and let the Holy Spirit guide my understanding of God's word. If you want to continue to deny the 20+ scriptures on warnings of falling away from the faith that is your choice, but I will continue to believe in all the word of God !!!

 

[KennethC]

Yes,some churches abuse tongues,especially non- denominational pentecostals. Usually doing find that in A of G churches.

Yes some churches to abuse the usage of tongues, but the thing that made me respond was you saying non-denominational Pentecostals. Were you trying to speak of two different denominations there or was that all one denominational name ???

Because if they are Pentecostal that is their denomination, but if they are Non-denominational then they are not Pentecostal. They can not be both as Pentecostal is a denomination........lol

 

[atwhatcost]

I don't know where I get this but when I think of SOUTHERN Baptists.......I envision a little white building, in a clear cut, out in the middle of nowhere, a cut in the trees for a path to it that is 5 miles away from any thing "civilized", a sermon on drinking is sin and they have a still in the back for relief and fund raising!

I must of got it off a movie or something!

My imagination is more auditory. I hear, "Y'all come back now, y'hear?"

I find that funny since the first person I knew to be Southern Baptist lived in Worcester, MA. Not a "y'all" to be heard out of that state. lol

 

[Willie-T]

Yes some churches to abuse the usage of tongues, but the thing that made me respond was you saying non-denominational Pentecostals. Were you trying to speak of two different denominations there or was that all one denominational name ???

Because if they are Pentecostal that is their denomination, but if they are Non-denominational then they are not Pentecostal. They can not be both as Pentecostal is a denomination........lol

Try that again........ Pentecostal is a term used within Christianity to denote those Christians who place a primary emphasis on the "gifts of the Holy Spirit".

 

[atwhatcost]

The Mennonites that I know; and I know many in this part of Oregon, have much more in common with the Baptists (Especially the German Baptists), and the Evangelical Free church than with the Amish.

My ancestor came from "Pennsylvania Dutch," (Amish, but I guess the Pennsylvanian ones might be different than others.) They came from Germany, so maybe that's the connection -- German roots. (Strictly a guess. I don't know.)

 

[kaylagrl]

Yes some churches to abuse the usage of tongues, but the thing that made me respond was you saying non-denominational Pentecostals. Were you trying to speak of two different denominations there or was that all one denominational name ???

Because if they are Pentecostal that is their denomination, but if they are Non-denominational then they are not Pentecostal. They can not be both as Pentecostal is a denomination........lol

Well there is the Assemblies of God and other churches.Maybe I should have said "no name brand". AofG is held to certain standards and doctrines it follows as a fellowship.The no name various churches that are Pentecostal in experience sometimes tend to be a little out there.For instance Benny Hinn was forced to leave the AofG fellowship because of things he was doing and was asked to stop. Like his "I see a mist" and other far out teachings.So he is no longer in the AofG fellowship.Hope that is a sensible explanation.

 

[Mec99]

I'm not a Catholic, i left the Catholic Church 50 years ago, i'm not a Protestant, i'm not a Baptist, i am a True Christian, a True Child of God!

I attend Calvary Chapel.

 

[atwhatcost]

Your murderous John Calvin comment caught my attention in that I've long believed Calvin to have been a murderer myself, but I never hear anybody mention that. Could you share your thoughts with me on that? Privately is fine. Thank you.

I am "Calvinist," but, to me, Calvin proved the stupidity of why no one can go to be a theocratic state. Many get in the way of God too often, and then claims, "It's God's will."

Calvin got cocky. (Probably didn't help that a bunch of people kept telling him he's all that and a bucket of chips too often.) Thought he could keep a theocracy, and sure enough, just like it happens here, someone is a heretic so kill him! When you run out of the obvious heretics, then you have to go with maybe-heretics. Kind of the same thing that happened in Salem, MA.

Each one of us has the proclivity to do the same damn thing, so I don't consider John better than or worse than any of us.

 

[KennethC]

Well there is the Assemblies of God and other churches.Maybe I should have said "no name brand". AofG is held to certain standards and doctrines it follows as a fellowship.The no name various churches that are Pentecostal in experience sometimes tend to be a little out there.For instance Benny Hinn was forced to leave the AofG fellowship because of things he was doing and was asked to stop. Like his "I see a mist" and other far out teachings.So he is no longer in the AofG fellowship.Hope that is a sensible explanation.

I see what you are saying and yes some churches do go over board and it does not matter what denomination it is.
That is why I said in a previous post that even if we are in a denomination we can not go and just defend every church or branch of that denomination.

For I was raised in a Baptist upbringing and with the many different Baptist churches around my area I have seen some that do teach almost 100% with the bible, but others of them that are off the mark on how they preach and treat others.

I left the Baptist church when I was around 20 to go do my own thing as I walked away from God and the church at that time, so to me by what the bible says from 20 years old to when I came back to the church around 29 I was spiritually dead. I then started going to a Catholic church for 5 years, but quickly left because of the contradictions I kept being shown in the teaching.

I then went back to a Baptist church for a couple years, but it was taken over by a Southern Baptist group that came in and started telling people how to dress when coming to church and demanding things from the congregation instead of asking. I also moved so I went searching for a new church to attend, and I felt the Holy Spirit pulling at me to remain Non-Denominational and just focus solely on His word and separate the doctrines and of man from the teaching !!!

 

[KennethC]

I am "Calvinist," but, to me, Calvin proved the stupidity of why no one can go to be a theocratic state. Many get in the way of God too often, and then claims, "It's God's will."

Calvin got cocky. (Probably didn't help that a bunch of people kept telling him he's all that and a bucket of chips too often.) Thought he could keep a theocracy, and sure enough, just like it happens here, someone is a heretic so kill him! When you run out of the obvious heretics, then you have to go with maybe-heretics. Kind of the same thing that happened in Salem, MA.

Each one of us has the proclivity to do the same damn thing, so I don't consider John better than or worse than any of us.

Do you know where John Calvin adapted his doctrine from ???

He derived his doctrine of Once saved always saved from the doctrine of eternal security from Augustine, and Augustine had a few fallacies in his teachings that can easily be refuted by the bible. As the doctrines state that falling away is impossible when the bible has no less then 20 scriptures that says it is, and Augustine goes even further and says Apostasy is impossible when 1 Timothy 4 is a clear teaching on apostasy !!!

 

[KennethC]

Try that again........ Pentecostal is a term used within Christianity to denote those Christians who place a primary emphasis on the "gifts of the Holy Spirit".

Pentecostal is a denomination rather they want to admit it or not !!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

 

[Willie-T]

I'm not sure which of the 40+ pages you indicated that I was supposed look at, so I went to the list of Denominations that practice Pentecostalism.... This is your list, not mine.



Pentecostalism[edit]

Main article: Pentecostalism

See also: List of Christian denominations § Oneness Pentecostalism

Apostolic Church (denomination)
Apostolic Faith Church
Apostolic Faith Mission of South Africa
Apostolic Pastoral Congress
Assemblies of God
Believers Church
C3 Church Global
Celestial Church of Christ
Charisma Christian Church
Christ Gospel Churches International
Christian Church of North America
Christian City Churches
Christian Congregation in the United States
Christian Revival Crusade
Church of God by Faith
Church of God (Charleston, Tennessee)
Church of God (Chattanooga)
Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee)
Church of God (Full Gospel) in India
Church of God (Huntsville, Alabama)
Church of God in Christ
Church of God Mountain Assembly
Church of God of Prophecy
Church of God of the Original Mountain Assembly
Church of God of the Union Assembly
Church of God with Signs Following
Church of God, House of Prayer
Church of the Foursquare Gospel
The Church of God for All Nations
The Church of God (Jerusalem Acres)
Church of the Little Children of Jesus Christ
Congregational Holiness Church
CRC Churches International
Deeper Life Bible Church
Destiny Church
Elim Pentecostal Church
Evangelical Pentecostal Church of Besançon
Fire Baptized Holiness Church of God of the Americas
Free Apostolic Church of Pentecost
God is Love Pentecostal Church
Hillsong Church
Holiness Baptist Association
Independent Assemblies of God International
Independent Assemblies of God, International
Indian Pentecostal Church of God
International Assemblies of God Fellowship
International Fellowship of Christian Assemblies
International Network of Churches
International Pentecostal Church of Christ
International Pentecostal Holiness Church
Mission of Full Gospel - Christian Open Door
New Life Churches
Open Bible Standard Churches
Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada
Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada
Pentecostal Churches of Christ
Pentecostal Church of God
Pentecostal Free Will Baptist Church
The Pentecostal Mission
Pentecostal Missionary Church of Christ (4th Watch)
Potter's House Christian Fellowship
Redeemed Christian Church of God
Revival Centres International
The Revival Fellowship
United Covenant Churches of Christ
United Gospel Tabernacles
United Holy Church of America
United Pentecostal Church International
United Pentecostal Churches of Christ

 

[purgedconscience]

I am "Calvinist," but, to me, Calvin proved the stupidity of why no one can go to be a theocratic state. Many get in the way of God too often, and then claims, "It's God's will."

Calvin got cocky. (Probably didn't help that a bunch of people kept telling him he's all that and a bucket of chips too often.) Thought he could keep a theocracy, and sure enough, just like it happens here, someone is a heretic so kill him! When you run out of the obvious heretics, then you have to go with maybe-heretics. Kind of the same thing that happened in Salem, MA.

Each one of us has the proclivity to do the same damn thing, so I don't consider John better than or worse than any of us.

What happens when those who profess to belong to the Lord become murderers?

 

[Willie-T]

What happens when those who profess to belong to the Lord become murderers?

They will probably be arrested. Moses, David, Paul, and a few others were murderers. As were all the mob that Jesus asked God to forgive.

 

[purgedconscience]

They will probably be arrested. Moses, David, Paul, and a few others were murderers. As were all the mob that Jesus asked God to forgive.

I don't know that Moses was a murderer. In his case, the Bible seems to indicate that God was using that incident to show the people that Moses was going to be their deliverer, but the people refused him at that time in a similar manner in which many Jews refused Christ at His first coming. David and Paul both repented. What happens to the murderer who doesn't repent?

 

[KennethC]

I'm not sure which of the 40+ pages you indicated that I was supposed look at, so I went to the list of Denominations that practice Pentecostalism.... This is your list, not mine.



Pentecostalism[edit]

Main article: Pentecostalism

See also: List of Christian denominations § Oneness Pentecostalism

Apostolic Church (denomination)
Apostolic Faith Church
Apostolic Faith Mission of South Africa
Apostolic Pastoral Congress
Assemblies of God
Believers Church
C3 Church Global
Celestial Church of Christ
Charisma Christian Church
Christ Gospel Churches International
Christian Church of North America
Christian City Churches
Christian Congregation in the United States
Christian Revival Crusade
Church of God by Faith
Church of God (Charleston, Tennessee)
Church of God (Chattanooga)
Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee)
Church of God (Full Gospel) in India
Church of God (Huntsville, Alabama)
Church of God in Christ
Church of God Mountain Assembly
Church of God of Prophecy
Church of God of the Original Mountain Assembly
Church of God of the Union Assembly
Church of God with Signs Following
Church of God, House of Prayer
Church of the Foursquare Gospel
The Church of God for All Nations
The Church of God (Jerusalem Acres)
Church of the Little Children of Jesus Christ
Congregational Holiness Church
CRC Churches International
Deeper Life Bible Church
Destiny Church
Elim Pentecostal Church
Evangelical Pentecostal Church of Besançon
Fire Baptized Holiness Church of God of the Americas
Free Apostolic Church of Pentecost
God is Love Pentecostal Church
Hillsong Church
Holiness Baptist Association
Independent Assemblies of God International
Independent Assemblies of God, International
Indian Pentecostal Church of God
International Assemblies of God Fellowship
International Fellowship of Christian Assemblies
International Network of Churches
International Pentecostal Church of Christ
International Pentecostal Holiness Church
Mission of Full Gospel - Christian Open Door
New Life Churches
Open Bible Standard Churches
Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada
Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada
Pentecostal Churches of Christ
Pentecostal Church of God
Pentecostal Free Will Baptist Church
The Pentecostal Mission
Pentecostal Missionary Church of Christ (4th Watch)
Potter's House Christian Fellowship
Redeemed Christian Church of God
Revival Centres International
The Revival Fellowship
United Covenant Churches of Christ
United Gospel Tabernacles
United Holy Church of America
United Pentecostal Church International
United Pentecostal Churches of Christ

It still shows that it is a denomination Willie-T, just because it has a different number of different churches that follow that denomination does not make it no less so of one.

The same can be said with Baptists as that is a denomination as well, even though it has different churches/branches that come from it.

 

[KennethC]

What happens when those who profess to belong to the Lord become murderers?

All we have to do is go by what the word of God says about this issue, and it says if they do not return to the Lord through repentance then they will not receive eternal life....