Why is it assumed by many here that Grace Folk live in blatant, unrepentant sin?

Grace777x70 · Oct 28, 2016

Here is my personal view of the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and how it influences our life and on the subject of "good works".

Grace empowers us to "good works"...works that are good in His eyes. These "good works" are a manifestation of His life in and through us. They are "His good works." - His fruit that is bearing in our lives. The fruit of His life that is already in us in Christ.

True grace doesn't not permit us to stay the same; after we know we are not condemned because we are in Christ - it empowers us to change and to do "good works" from the life of Christ in us.

Grace was never intended to allow us to keep on being the same, as the true grace after knowing acceptance grace and having this truth cemented in our hearts - it is then that God's empowerment is released through the life of Christ in and through us that transforms us outwardly and this reflects in our behavior.

This "putting on of Christ" enables others to see Christ in our lives to see His goodness and love and grace towards them because of His deep love for them. It is the kindness/goodness of God that leads us to repentance.

When we see that we are called to the true life in Christ and we know that we can't work it up and can't accomplish it in our own self-effort and strength but we surely desire to live this life that is in us in Christ - that's when empowering grace comes to make our faith a reality in our lives.

eternally-gratefull · Oct 28, 2016

eph610 said:

Many churches? I been to many churches, My church is considered by many orthodox or reformed to be a licentious church, Because we teach grace, and hang out wiht sinners.. Yet I have seen more people healed of all kinds of horific sins (drig addiction/alcoholism/secual addiction etc etc) that I have in any church I ever went to. Because we actually disciple our members who wish to be disciples. And when they come with sin issues, We use the bible and show them the way to be addiction free.

So I am sure when people say (these churches) this is exactly what is happening.

Never in my life heard any pastor deacon elder or discipler tell a person it is ok if he goes out and sexes it up with his neighbors wife, or a prostitute.. The only people I hear this from is from people who are apposed to grace alone through faith alone.. I hope your not one of them.

Yeah, I hear alot about it, but ever seen it.

Now I have heard of people being destroyed by legalism, ( I was almost. I left God for 5 years and God had to bring me to rock bottom to bring me back, Praise God, he never gave up on me!!)

But never grace, Grace can not destroy a person. A licentious person has no salvation, Don't you remember jude? Their condemnation is preordained..

But as Gr8grace said, "He who begun a good work in you, WILL COMPLETE IT.

If you do not trust God that he will complete a good work. no matter what,, Then there is no hope. Some people have to hit rock bottom So God allows them to live in sin until they hit that rock bottom. But God promised, He will complete.

So sorry, I used to take the legalist stance, Bit no more. It has no power over sin.

eph610 · Oct 28, 2016

LaurenTM said:

guilty as charged...lol

LaurenTM · Oct 28, 2016

eph610 said:

'mheh

after I posted it (although it was funny) I thought maybe it was a bit over the top

but too late to delete it

so thanks for taking it as a joke which was how I meant it

I knew yours was a joke too

eph610 · Oct 28, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

This is the way it should be and Praise God you all do that...Discipleship is a lost art and I commend your church for stepping up and doing it, because most do not anymore...

This is not at all what gr8grace was saying...in fact he stated a week ago that any kind of spiritual mentoring or growth is never needed because grace does it for you....he also stated that it is not practical or Bible to even ask people what is going on in their lives, since each man is a high priest of his home...he refuted that we are to bear up one another burdens...based on the "Biblical fact" of what happens in another brothers house is really none of our business...

You are showing and helping people manifest in empowering grace...

If you never had a Biblical worldview and you came to a church and were told, Living in your SIN is not an issue, in fact you will live in SIN, but its ok because of God grace or better yet they say because God's love is so great for you, that if you receive this grace and that Jesus died for you you are now saved. Then there is no discipleship...what have you just told someone.....this is the subtle damage of the doctrine, then you those that literally tell people go ahead live like hell, God loves you, you are saved...big deal...this is what happens to the Johnny's of the world..

If you have not heard it or been around it then good for you, but it is here and alive and destroys everything in its path...

Stop continuing to make it about salvation, because it is never about salvation it is about the changed/exchanged life after salvation....

I have also BTDT and know all about that as well...we agree here...

But never grace, Grace can not destroy a person. A licentious person has no salvation, Don't you remember jude? Their condemnation is preordained..

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This is not what gr8 said, he said a believer can be licentious[or in his words, can and will live in habitual sin and still be saved because of grace] This is how the misunderstanding of grace destroys someone.......someone living in habitual sin usually has only mentally assented...
Salvation brings about almost immediate inward change....again this is something you and gr8 say nobody can know about, to which we simply disagree...

This is elementary and is a given, but when is that good work began?

Once again you are entering into predestination and no free will/choice and we won't go there....

Never said you were and I am not being legalistic in the least bit....

Stephen63 · Oct 28, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

First, this isn't insulting..... I'm asking legitimate questions.
Will I stop? Absolutely not. This a forum & I'm entitled to my opinion, no matter how exposing it is.

Stephen63 · Oct 28, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Gee, how many times have you said that already? 8 times? Do you program your posts automatically?

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Don't you think people get tired of reading the same old thing? How can people like you when you show them by this how much respect you have for them? OVER 12,000 POSTS IN 11 MONTHS! THAT'S A LOT OF COPY/PASTING!

seed_time_harvest · Oct 28, 2016

JGIG said:

I think Its because they feel that whether Its old testament or new testament,the same GOD Inspired them both, and because GOD doesn't change,we should try to keep them both.

Grace777x70 · Oct 28, 2016

Stephen63 said:

I post various things when the need comes up and sometimes I alter them to fit the response needed - other times it is not needed.

I have posted over 50x times Titus 2:11 on how grace teaches us how to live godly in this world - there is a great chance I will do it again.

We all have the choice to agree or disagree with what is posted but at least we can do that without insulting each other. People are NOT obligated to believe what others have posted.

Could you please stop with the personal attacks as I do respect people. Personal attacks on people are frowned upon as per this rule about conduct in the forums. This about the 6th time I have asked you to stop this type of behavior. I am asking you to please respect this.

Thank you.

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On the other hand, we will step in if we see any of these.....

1. Blatant personal attacks. (This means actually attacking someone. It doesn't mean when someone fails to believe something you believe.)

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http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...t-vibrant-heated-discussions-please-read.html

laura_charlotte · Oct 28, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Abigail said it so sensibly once, if it's not an older thread, it's complaining about a new thread regarding an 'old topic'. Topics they have nothing to constructive to contribute to despite the fact that many others enjoy it and are educated by it.

Grace777x70 · Oct 28, 2016

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

I post various things when the need comes up and sometimes I alter them to fit the response needed - other times it is not needed.

I have posted over 50x times Titus 2:11 on how grace teaches us how to live godly in this world - there is a great chance I will do it again.

laura_charlotte said:

I agree. I post my thoughts on a subject each time that particular subject comes up. If it comes up multiple times - then I respond multiple times in each case. I modify them as I see fit when the subject is discussed. So, my posts are going to show up many times.

There are always new people viewing the threads and each one of my posts are in response to what is being said at the time so if one did a search for the topic- we would find multiple times the same thing being said about that topic no matter who is talking about it.

As, I say, if you do a search on me - you will find me quoting Titus 2:11 - that the grace of God teaches how to live godly in this present world. I must have written that over 50x times and I will write it again more times. I love that scripture.

If people want to castigate me for writing my thoughts down on a subject each time that subject comes up - then let them. They can insult me all they want as no one can stop them. I'll leave them in the Lord's hands and bless them in the name of the Lord.

laura_charlotte · Oct 28, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

I've talked to the owner recently about this issue and a mod in the past. It's not just a pathological resistance of members replying to older threads,'why are you replying to this old thread, it pushes the new one's back' it's the resistance regarding revisiting a subject matter. 'this topic has already been discussed, don't start a new thread, go search for it'.

It's as though they believe the site caters to them exclusively and they make all the rules. Meanwhile some of the other threads and subject matters that remain at the fore before being closed are not nearly as uplifting.

HisHolly · Oct 28, 2016

Stephen63, how many times have you posted over and over? Bc it's a different video doesn't count? Please you beat a dead horse.. like I said in the thread of his that was closed.. Plank, speck..

HisHolly · Oct 28, 2016

Someone always has an issue on here.. Don't raise old threads. We already covered that in an old one.. I've said before a site that caters to the a world audience, members can and do join at different times.. Revelation unfolds daily.. Why does anyone want to think a subject is fully covered??

HisHolly · Oct 28, 2016

To the OP, I do apologize..

PeterJens · Oct 29, 2016

There is a problem of discovering an idea or theological concept, and exploring it.

Copy and pasting long diatribes do not address the issue, and treat the issues as if there
is only one take on them when there are many and diverse.

It is also clear, that is you hold certain concept positions it has massive implications
to other people.

So an ethic that says you are in the Kingdom no matter how you behave, is the historical position
of Antinomianism.

Though some deny this, if you have no moral framework, no way someone can say this is right or
that is wrong, you have arrived.

An easy way of testing this is how do you react if someone murdered a family member of yours.
Does it matter? If it matters, in a civil and personal way you have a moral framework, which has to
be defined.

garee · Oct 29, 2016

PeterJens said:

Grace as unmerited favor remains grace .......not of any moral work we could do..By grace God called David to salvation and called him a friend of God. When David lusted after Uriah’s wife Bathsheba and had her husband killed, the same grace that called him to salvation called him back so that David then having been turned towards God, then could repent.

To those not called to salvation He sends a strong delusion to believe the lie. They will not resurrected on the last day. There is no limbo in-between. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they simply remain unconverted, dead in their trespass and sin, without a living hope and without God in this present world.

The perfect law in respect to the grace of God below remains, it teaches us, encouraging us to say no to ungodliness

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

PeterJens · Oct 30, 2016

LaurenTM said:

This reminded me we are called to love people like Christ loved people.
To take the hurt and pain, and show love back.

This is only possible if the hurt is overwhelmed by Christs love, and He heals
and it is His love flowing out to others. But I know this is hard.

If our hearts are wounded and hurt often the only thing that comes out is
aggression and the desire for revenge or sarcasm. It is so hard to turn
the other cheek and not respond.

But Christ asks us to do this, to show we love despite the condition people
find themselves in.

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