Workers of "iniquity" (KJV), a Word Study!

garee · Aug 29, 2016

No one is laughing I was laughing with you sister. And it is your private interpretation you are offering its what Christian have personal commentaries of His interpretation the Bible.

Amen .

Yes it destroys the peace of God that surpasses all human understanding..... making it to no effect.

Amen.thanks

The bible has nothing to do with the political nations of this world .Especaily those who say Christ has not come in the flesh as do the many a majority of the Jews today. God is no respecter of persons that he forms from the same lump of clay .

The flesh of a Jew is not different that the flesh of a Gentile who has not converted to Christianity.

disciplemike · Aug 29, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Moses didn't make up his own law.
Even the Messiah equated "the law of Moses" with "the law of God".

every knee will bow.
everyone will honor the King.

Grace777x70 · Aug 29, 2016

disciplemike said:

God has in theses last days has spoken to us in His Son. This is "after" He spoke to the forefathers of the Jewish people in many ways and portions.

We must listen to the "now" word of God that is in His Son only. Remember if Abraham had listened only on what God had said to him in the past - he would have killed Isaac.

Stop killing "Isaacs" and listen to Christ now. Christ is everything.

No one is going to be deceived by your law-keeping anti-Christ religion here. Christ's life in us is what leads us now by the Holy Spirit. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and the law of love is more then enough to live now.

We don't have to "obey" Lev. 18:23 to not have sex with animals. The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus will take care of that and everything else.

We can trust the Holy spirit in us for life and living now. Christians are dead to the Law SO THAT wecould be joined to Another - Christ Himself.

Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

disciplemike · Aug 29, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

brother you make up some weird replies.
are you in Colorado?

Throughout Scripture, God has tried to get His people to hear His instructions.
We have many examples in Scripture.
Dozens of times God says to His people, you would not obey.

The wages of sin is death.
Yeshuah HaMashiach took the death penalty for us.
Will you continue to let your pride stop you from obeying?
I hope not.

lawlessness is saying laws don't apply to you.

FreeNChrist · Aug 29, 2016

disciplemike said:

The King is Jesus, not the Law.

Grace777x70 · Aug 29, 2016

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

God has in theses last days has spoken to us in His Son. This is "after" He spoke to the forefathers of the Jewish people in many ways and portions.

We must listen to the "now" word of God that is in His Son only. Remember if Abraham had listened only on what God had said to him in the past - he would have killed Isaac.

Stop killing "Isaacs" and listen to Christ now. Christ is everything. No one is going to be deceived by your law-keeping anti-Christ religion here. Christ's life in us is what leads us now by the Holy Spirit. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and the law of love is more then enough to live now.

disciplemike said:

You are the one that is denying the commands of the Father in believing in His Son's work on the cross and resurrection. Going back tot he Law for life and living is in complete disobedience to the New Covenant commands. The Old Covenant is now obsolete. Why do you continue to reject Christ's work?

No one is going to fall for your anti-Christ religion that you are espousing here. It's complete lawlessness.

Anyway, enough has been posted by many here to show this religion is anti-Christ and it'll serve to warn the saints about this. Come to Christ disciplemike.

Grandpa · Aug 29, 2016

The workers of iniquity are the ones who try to work at the law in their own understanding and strength and continually break it.

Would you say that the Pharisees were workers of iniquity or were they lawful in their endeavors? What would the Lord Jesus say?

Those who are lawful are those who are righteous.

Now the question you should be asking is how is one Righteous?

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

disciplemike · Aug 29, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

But he answered,
"It is written, "‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’"
Matthew 4:4 (ESV2011, MBM)

disciplemike · Aug 29, 2016

He answered them (Pharisees),
"And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
Matthew 15:3 (ESV2011, MBM)

Grace777x70 · Aug 29, 2016

disciplemike said:

Exactly...great scripture to show that it is the "now" word of God that we are to live by.

Remember the word of God to Abraham to go and sacrifice his son Isaac? Then God said just as he was about to slay him - God said "Don't". People that keep to the old word of God would have slayed Isaac. This is exactly what law-keepers are doing with Christ. Christ Himself is the "now" word of God.

Stop "slaying Christ" and believe in His finished work for you.

God in Hebrews 1:1-3 says that He has spoken to the fathers and prophets in many ways and portions BUT "now" has spoken to us in His Son.

Also remember the mount of transfiguration where the Father says to "Hear Jesus His Son"...when Peter wanted to put the law-giver (Moses) and the law-restorer - (Elijah) as being the same - the Fathers stopped that from happening.

Matt.4:4 says in the Greek..by every word that "proceeds" from the mouth of God is in the present tense. We live by the present word of God to us now and it is Christ alone. In these last days God has spoken to us through His Son. Hebrews 1:1-3

No one is going to fall for your anti-Christ religion.

If you are a true Christian you should go to a Judaism forum and show them Christ.

Instead you come to a Christian forum and try to get them to desert Christ ( Gal.1:6 ) to go back to the Law of which Gentiles are not even under - and you are a Gentile too my friend no matter how you try to change yourself into being Jewish and you have never been nor will you ever be under the Law.

Grace777x70 · Aug 29, 2016

disciplemike said:

Showing the Pharisees that they were not really keeping the Law although outwardly it looked like they were. This is exactly the same condition for modern day Judaizers that come in here and try to get Christians to go back to the Law foe life and living. It's anti-Christ.

Law-keepers continually violate the very Law that they try to get others to do. They have a very low respect for the Law.

Jesus came and gave the Law on steroids to show those that say they keep the Law - that they really don't and need a Savior. Jesus was also the greatest grace preacher to those that know they need Him.

Your religion substitutes Christ's sacrifice for the Law. That is one reason why this religion is anti-Christ.

disciplemike · Aug 29, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Yeshua answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:16 (KJV, MBM)

For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law. Proverbs 4:2 (KJV, MBM)

and yet, you still will not listen to the Messiah.

disciplemike · Aug 29, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

But he answered and said unto them (Pharisees),
Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matthew 15:3 (KJV, MBM)

disciplemike · Aug 29, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 2:4 (KJV, MBM)

FreeNChrist · Aug 29, 2016

disciplemike said:

Those who are living by faith in Jesus Christ are the ones who keep His commandments. We are the only ones who can.

Grace777x70 · Aug 29, 2016

disciplemike said:

And God's commandments for the New Covenantare to believe in God's Son and to love one another. 1 John 3:23. That is the doctrine of God "now" for those in Christ.

2 John 1:9 says that anyone that doesn't remain in the doctrine of Christ is transgressing. Transgressing in the New Covenant is not abiding in the doctrine of Christ which is exactly what "law-keepers" are doing by trying to get people to go back to the Law after coming to Christ.

They are denying their Lord and Master who bought them with His blood and life.

Christ has fulfilled the Law. The Law was a mere shadow of the real substance which is Christ Himself. So, do not forsake Christ as Prov. 4:2 says and yet you do the very thing that scripture says not to do.

Come to Christ disciplemike. He is more then enough. You can trust Him and the Holy Spirit to lead you as a child of God.

Grace777x70 · Aug 29, 2016

disciplemike said:

Again you continually leave out Christ's work and the commandments in the New Covenant by God Himself. This one of the ways this religion is anti-Christ in it's manifestation and beliefs.

This is where the lawlessness is being manifested - in the denial of Christ 's work on the cross and resurrection in the life of a believer.

Here are God's commandments in the New Covenant.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

disciplemike · Aug 29, 2016

Whosoever believeth that Yeshua is the Messiah is born of God (The Father):
and every one that loveth him (the Father) that begat
loveth him also that is begotten of him (The Son, Yeshua).By this we know that we love the children of God, (The Father),
when we love God, (The Father)
and keep his commandments. (The Father's commandments)
For this is the love of God, (The Father),
that we keep his commandments: (The Father's commandments)
and his commandments are not grievous. (not a burden)
1 John 5:1-3 (KJV, MBM)

Grace777x70 · Aug 29, 2016

disciplemike said:

Again you continually leave out Christ's work and the commandments in the New Covenant by the Father Himself. This one of the ways this religion is anti-Christ in it's manifestation and beliefs.

This is where the lawlessness is being manifested - in the denial of Christ 's work on the cross and resurrection in the life of a believer.

Here are God's commandments in the New Covenant.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

No one is going to fall for this anti-Christ religion that you are trying to get Christians to desert their Lord.

Paul said this to those in Galatia that were trying to go back to the Law of Moses - he said they were deserting Christ for another gospel which is not the gospel at all.

The ones trying to get them to go back to the Law were the Judaizers. We have modern day Judaziers trying to get the children of God to do the very same thing....selah

Galatians 1:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am amazed that you are so quicklydeserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;

Grandpa · Aug 29, 2016

disciplemike said:

Exactly.

Who is it that is working at the law in their own understanding?

Answer: Pharisees.

What is the difference between modern day legalists and judaizers and Pharisees of old?

Answer: Nothing.

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