Workers of "iniquity" (KJV), a Word Study!
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again, the lawless one is a major concept in scripture...regarding the anti-Christ
mike here, has run off in all directions with it and is desperately trying to staple it to his opinions
saying we are no longer dependent on following an OT covenant made with A TOTALLY DIFFERENT NATION WHO STILL ACTUALLY FIGURES IN PROPHECY AND IS STILL GOD'S HUGE CONCERN AND HE STILL LOVES THEM does not mean lawlessness according to scripture
mike...you are trying to pin the tail on the donkey...more like a wild burro though that escapes you every time
mike here, has run off in all directions with it and is desperately trying to staple it to his opinions
saying we are no longer dependent on following an OT covenant made with A TOTALLY DIFFERENT NATION WHO STILL ACTUALLY FIGURES IN PROPHECY AND IS STILL GOD'S HUGE CONCERN AND HE STILL LOVES THEM does not mean lawlessness according to scripture
mike...you are trying to pin the tail on the donkey...more like a wild burro though that escapes you every time
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disciplemike,
Can good works be seen as lawlessness? I sense your insecurity in the ability of God working in us?
Good works follows salvation; they do not precede it, therefore how can believers be workers of iniquity? I do not understand the concern over lawlessness?
The good works we are now commanded to do cannot be written down like the commandments, we are called to do these good works with new and different reasons and with a new and different source of power than the written law and they express themselves daily.
How can any written formulation now express doing good works through the love of Jesus? There can be no more written law because it could never begin to tells us, all the good we are to do on a daily basis.
When we fail God, He is there to chasten and teach, do you not have faith in His ability to be the source of our good works as the one who leads us?
Was He crucified and risen in vain?
If were are created for good works, Jesus working in and through us how can this bring lawlessness?
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:10
Can you see it from this vantage point?
Because this is where we are in Jesus, Jesus is far more concrete than the written law.
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undergrace
it's way more than that
mike wants us all to circumcise our flesh...those of us who can of course...and hold festivals on our rooftop
and understand that we are not saved if we call on Jesus...we must all convert to faux Judaism because that is his pet understanding
he has been detailing his desires low these many weeks now and he is standing by ready for his first convert
it's way more than that
mike wants us all to circumcise our flesh...those of us who can of course...and hold festivals on our rooftop
and understand that we are not saved if we call on Jesus...we must all convert to faux Judaism because that is his pet understanding
he has been detailing his desires low these many weeks now and he is standing by ready for his first convert
let's start right there.
people define "good works" in different ways.
The people in this passage were supposedly "casting out demons", and "prophesied" and "many wonderful works".
but for some reason, they chose not to obey God's law. they were workers of "law-less-ness".
So, I can hold a huge rally and lay hands on people and say I am doing great works for jesus.
But am I obeying His commandments?
people define "good works" in different ways.
The people in this passage were supposedly "casting out demons", and "prophesied" and "many wonderful works".
but for some reason, they chose not to obey God's law. they were workers of "law-less-ness".
So, I can hold a huge rally and lay hands on people and say I am doing great works for jesus.
But am I obeying His commandments?
He may be looking for converts but we will stand against this perversion of the gospel of Christ that his religion represents.
But just like Paul - we are not going to let this distortion of the gospel of Christ go for even one hour from the Juadizers that are trying to get Christians to go back to the Law now that they are joined to Christ. We do this so that the truth of the gospel will remain with us.
Galatians 2:3-5 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
But just like Paul - we are not going to let this distortion of the gospel of Christ go for even one hour from the Juadizers that are trying to get Christians to go back to the Law now that they are joined to Christ. We do this so that the truth of the gospel will remain with us.
Galatians 2:3-5 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
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disciplemike A lawless person is one who breaks, violates, disobeys or transgresses the law go I John Chapter 3 verse 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. That verse means when you commit a sin you "transgress" break the law and it is your sin that breaks the law and it is a lawless act a act God didn't tell you to do. That verse is a general one and not specific one of breaking down specifics commandments like the 10 commandments. Any sin is a lawless act and it builds up Gods wrath builds against unbelievers who practice habitual sin "lawlessness" or rebuke believers that practice lawlessness like king David when he kept on going until he murdered Bathsheba's husband and those where lawless acts he practiced until he took what wasn't rightfully his. God gave a commandment to Adam and Eve don't eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil they performed a lawless act of sin "disobedience" and ate the fruit and He ran them out of the garden. Now Sodom and Gomorrah did lawless things as well homosexuality they practiced "lawlessness" abundantly in that act of habitual sin. Another way of saying this is "to offended a point" breaking a "specific" commandment in the law as in James 2:10 now if you have broken a single law now that person is cursed by the whole law and Galatians 3:10 shows if you don't do the law perfect you are cursed by the whole law as well. Now onto I Timothy 1:8-11
8 But we know that bthe law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that cthe law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and ddisobedient, for ethe ungodly and for esinners, for funholy and gprofane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For hwhoremongers, for hithem that defile themselves with mankind, for kmenstealers, for lliars, for mperjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to nsound doctrine; 11 According to othe glorious gospel of pthe blessed God, qwhich was committed to my trust.
To live by the law you dishonor Jesus and say your works are equal to His verse 8 shows that the Law is good for those who do it and that is every one single law you have to be sinless like Jesus and fulfill all rightoueness but if you break one then you are one of the unrighteous verse 9 and 10 and only then your faith in Jesus Christ and His works which are the works of God in the flesh will you be saved. To go back to living the law is going against Jesus and the whole new testament. And Isiah said our works are this Isiah 64:6 [SUP]6 [/SUP]But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. If you love Him your works are for him and not as a show of what you can do like the Pharisees who turned the law in religion and man mad traditions that is practicing lawlessness. There is your answer.
8 But we know that bthe law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that cthe law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and ddisobedient, for ethe ungodly and for esinners, for funholy and gprofane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For hwhoremongers, for hithem that defile themselves with mankind, for kmenstealers, for lliars, for mperjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to nsound doctrine; 11 According to othe glorious gospel of pthe blessed God, qwhich was committed to my trust.
To live by the law you dishonor Jesus and say your works are equal to His verse 8 shows that the Law is good for those who do it and that is every one single law you have to be sinless like Jesus and fulfill all rightoueness but if you break one then you are one of the unrighteous verse 9 and 10 and only then your faith in Jesus Christ and His works which are the works of God in the flesh will you be saved. To go back to living the law is going against Jesus and the whole new testament. And Isiah said our works are this Isiah 64:6 [SUP]6 [/SUP]But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. If you love Him your works are for him and not as a show of what you can do like the Pharisees who turned the law in religion and man mad traditions that is practicing lawlessness. There is your answer.
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I think some of us remember his first thread wherein he began this journey
maybe he forgot? it's all over the forums...no lie at all!
following from his profile:
I believe the Scriptures. I also believe that the church has been duped. We were tricked with fake names, fake holy days, and grace-overrides-everything theology. It's time to come out of Babylon.
he has made it plain he believes we are Babylon if we use other than Yeshua for Jesus we are not saved
his avatar is literal...he means if you do not say Yeshua, but you say Jesus instead, you are not saved
ok, you started out well, but then the twilight zone hit.
I have sinned. I am a sinner. My righteousness would not get me into Walmart, let alone God's Kingdom.
I broke a lot more than one commandment.
So what then. I confessed to God and received forgiveness through the blood of His Son.
And then what? I say oh well, those commandments are too hard for me??? Should I just live like hell and smile and tell people about my faith???
This is not how it works.
We are to repent, and turn away from sin. Sin is STILL the violation of God's commandments.
Why is that so hard to see?
I have sinned. I am a sinner. My righteousness would not get me into Walmart, let alone God's Kingdom.
I broke a lot more than one commandment.
So what then. I confessed to God and received forgiveness through the blood of His Son.
And then what? I say oh well, those commandments are too hard for me??? Should I just live like hell and smile and tell people about my faith???
This is not how it works.
We are to repent, and turn away from sin. Sin is STILL the violation of God's commandments.
Why is that so hard to see?
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you know, either you stand by what you believe or you do not
are you following Peter now and denying what you wrote, write and continue to write?
you are doing what people who are caught in their actual lies usually do; you are attacking and becoming defensive
it is unbecoming and just plain silly since anyone can read what you post
I suggest you take 5 and possibly a glass of warm milk for your nerves