Workers of "iniquity" (KJV), a Word Study!

[disciplemike]

Where they failed was in missing the One who alone is the Keeper of the Law, Jesus Christ.

that isn't what the passage says.
do you make up your own words and write them in your Bible?

Did He say, "depart from me, all ye who have not accepted me into your hearts"?????

no, no, no.
He said, "depart from me, you workers of lawlessness"

 

[LaurenTM]

here is a post from another member who identified your beliefs and posted accordingly

Originally Posted by TonyJay

[FONT=&quot]26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:26-29)

Jesus' ethnicity is not the issue.
As Christians we are not bound to any ethnic, socio-economic, or gender group either.

DiscipleMike, you are leaving breadcrumbs after trail of breadcrumbs for the unwary to follow and to fall into your trap.
You are not of Christ - you have made it very clear that you hate the finished work of Christ.
None of your protestations are convincing.
Your convictions of Christ + the law just equal the law.
You cannot add or subtract to the finished work of Jesus Christ.

You have the option of repenting and accepting the finished of Jesus Christ on the cross.
At that point you will be born again.

However, for now, I reiterate that you are not of Christ, you are not a Christian.
You reject the key tenets of Christianity - you reject the person and deity of Christ, you reject His finished work of the cross, and you reject His offer of salvation by grace through faith.

I agree with him[/FONT]

 

[FreeNChrist]

ok, you started out well, but then the twilight zone hit.
I have sinned. I am a sinner. My righteousness would not get me into Walmart, let alone God's Kingdom.
I broke a lot more than one commandment.
So what then. I confessed to God and received forgiveness through the blood of His Son.
And then what? I say oh well, those commandments are too hard for me??? Should I just live like hell and smile and tell people about my faith???
This is not how it works.
We are to repent, and turn away from sin. Sin is STILL the violation of God's commandments.
Why is that so hard to see?

All sin is a violation of the Law, but that's not what sin "is". Sin is missing the mark, and the mark that is missed is not the Law, but the character of God. Of which the Law is only a partial revelation of. Which is why it takes Christ in us....He never misses the mark.

 

[LaurenTM]

here is another of your outrageous posts wherein you plainly state there are NO promises for Gentiles, meaning we all become Jews...completely unbiblical!!

Originally Posted by TonyJay

I repeat there are no ethnic barriers to Christ Jesus!
I do not need to be a pseudo-Jew to see Christ in heaven.
I do not need to follow Jewish tradition to be born again or to maintain my salvation.

Every ethnic group on earth will be represented in heaven as children of God.



MIKE SAYS: They will all be Israelites, by being grafted into Israel. There are no covenants and no promises for gentiles.

 

[Grace777x70]

here is a post from another member who identified your beliefs and posted accordingly

Originally Posted by TonyJay

26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:26-29)

Jesus' ethnicity is not the issue.
As Christians we are not bound to any ethnic, socio-economic, or gender group either.

DiscipleMike, you are leaving breadcrumbs after trail of breadcrumbs for the unwary to follow and to fall into your trap.

You are not of Christ - you have made it very clear that you hate the finished work of Christ.

None of your protestations are convincing.

Your convictions of Christ + the law just equal the law.

You cannot add or subtract to the finished work of Jesus Christ.

You have the option of repenting and accepting the finished of Jesus Christ on the cross.

At that point you will be born again.

However, for now, I reiterate that you are not of Christ, you are not a Christian.

You reject the key tenets of Christianity - you reject the person and deity of Christ, you reject His finished work of the cross, and you reject His offer of salvation by grace through faith.

I agree with him

I too agree with this poster who has correctly identified this anti-Christ religion for what it really is.

We need to continue to stand against this religion and not allow it even for one hour just like Paul said in Gal.

Galatians 2:3-5 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. ( WHICH IS KEEPING THE LAW OF MOSES )
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

 

[disciplemike]

here is another of your outrageous posts wherein you plainly state there are NO promises for Gentiles, meaning we all become Jews...completely unbiblical!!

Originally Posted by TonyJay

I repeat there are no ethnic barriers to Christ Jesus!
I do not need to be a pseudo-Jew to see Christ in heaven.
I do not need to follow Jewish tradition to be born again or to maintain my salvation.

Every ethnic group on earth will be represented in heaven as children of God.



MIKE SAYS: They will all be Israelites, by being grafted into Israel. There are no covenants and no promises for gentiles.

most of that post is someone else.
however, I did say, there are no covenants with gentiles..
All of the covenants were for Israel.
Keep in mind, not all of (physical) Israel is Israel.
Yet still, Scripture tells us, all the covenants and all the promises belong to Israel.
I suggest you get grafted in to Israel.

They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. Romans 9:4 (ESV2011, MBM)

 

[FreeNChrist]

that isn't what the passage says.
do you make up your own words and write them in your Bible?

Did He say, "depart from me, all ye who have not accepted me into your hearts"?????

no, no, no.
He said, "depart from me, you workers of lawlessness"

yes, yes, yes.

He never knew them. Apart from Christ, ALL are workers of lawlessness.

 

[LaurenTM]

are you or are you not a part of the "Hebrew Roots" movement?

you have indicated that you were...when you first started

I can't bring up those threads or believe me, I would

 

[disciplemike]

None of your protestations are convincing.
Your convictions of Christ + the law just equal the law.
You cannot add or subtract to the finished work of Jesus Christ.

You have the option of repenting and accepting the finished of Jesus Christ on the cross.
At that point you will be born again.

However, for now, I reiterate that you are not of Christ, you are not a Christian.
You reject the key tenets of Christianity - you reject the person and deity of Christ, you reject His finished work of the cross, and you reject His offer of salvation by grace through faith.

I agree with him

okay, your true Christianity is really shining.
lies and false accusations.
funny how the "under grace only" people are quick to resort to lies.

You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people,
and you shall not stand up against the life of your neighbor:
I am YHVH.
Leviticus 19:16 (ESV2011, MBM)

 

[LaurenTM]

most of that post is someone else.
however, I did say, there are no covenants with gentiles..
All of the covenants were for Israel.
Keep in mind, not all of (physical) Israel is Israel.
Yet still, Scripture tells us, all the covenants and all the promises belong to Israel.
I suggest you get grafted in to Israel.

They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. Romans 9:4 (ESV2011, MBM)

and you are utterly wrong

you cannot become a Jew...you are a Gentile...oh you can convert, but you still won't actually be Jewish and keeping the Jewish laws and repeating Jewish words does not make one Jewish

nowhere in scripture are we told to become Jewish...in fact, that idea upset Paul so much he became very angry and he said he wished the Judaizers...the men who wanted the Gentile converts to circumcise themselves...would go all the way and cut everything off...that's in the Bible...I am not being rude!

and no kidding most of the post is not you...I posted what you say and the great response from someone else

I am illustrating...by your own words...what you seem to want to deny now for some reason...and the fact that most of us here denounce what you say and have been denying your claims to superiority in Christ since you began your false teachings

 

[LaurenTM]

okay, your true Christianity is really shining.
lies and false accusations.
funny how the "under grace only" people are quick to resort to lies.

You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people,
and you shall not stand up against the life of your neighbor:
I am YHVH.
Leviticus 19:16 (ESV2011, MBM)

posting what you stated is slander? your very own words are slander?

what is the matter with you?

you are denying what you posted and calling me names

you are doing exactly what Paul, THE APOSTLE, despised and rejected

well, praise God...we all can read Romans, study Romans and thank God that Paul wrote it

you are accusing Christians because you believe you have become a superior Jew when even the Jews reject your Bible version and point out the many errors in it

so again, you indicated you were HEBREW ROOTS weeks back when you started

are you now disavowing your 'roots'?

are you or arent' you?

nobody would know a thing if you had not posted it first

 

[LaurenTM]

Question: "What is the Hebrew Roots movement?"

Answer: The premise of the Hebrew Roots movement is the belief that the Church has veered far from the true teachings and Hebrew concepts of the Bible. The movement maintains that Christianity has been indoctrinated with the culture and beliefs of Greek and Roman philosophy and that ultimately biblical Christianity, taught in churches today, has been corrupted with a pagan imitation of the New Testament gospels.

you know, that sounds just like your tagline:

I believe Scriptures. I also believe that the church has been duped. We were tricked with fake names, fake holy days, and grace-overrides-everything theology. It's time to come out of Babylon.

Those of the Hebrew Roots belief hold to the teaching that Christ's death on the cross did not end the Mosaic Covenant, but instead renewed it, expanded its message, and wrote it on the hearts of His true followers. They teach that the understanding of the New Testament can only come from a Hebrew perspective and that the teachings of the Apostle Paul are not understood clearly or taught correctly by Christian pastors today. Many affirm the existence of an original Hebrew-language New Testament and, in some cases, denigrate the existing New Testament text written in Greek. This becomes a subtle attack on the reliability of the text of our Bible. If the Greek text is unreliable and has been corrupted, as is charged by some, the Church no longer has a standard of truth.



you and other forum members, myself included, had this conversation when you first joined

unless you have left the movement, the above is what you believe

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes I agree, however do you agree that even the law can be interpreted in many ways and this is why the religious leaders back in the day fell into the trap of adding to the law different interpretations and oral traditions?

So we have to lay the problem of interpretation of good works or the law aside, agree?

Having said that you are aware that James does speak to what is pure and undefiled religion?

Moving on,
I will say that lawlessness according to many commentators does mean not only mean "instead of" but can also mean "rebelliousness?" Would you agree lawlessness also means rebelliousness?

let's start right there.
people define "good works" in different ways.
The people in this passage were supposedly "casting out demons", and "prophesied" and "many wonderful works".
but for some reason, they chose not to obey God's law. they were workers of "law-less-ness".

So, I can hold a huge rally and lay hands on people and say I am doing great works for jesus.
But am I obeying His commandments?

 

[disciplemike]

posting what you stated is slander? your very own words are slander?

what is the matter with you?

you are denying what you posted and calling me names

I did not deny anything I posted.
you are using childish rants to avoid the light shining on your lies.

 

[disciplemike]

Yes I agree, however do you agree that even the law can be interpreted in many ways and this is why the religious leaders back in the day fell into the trap of adding to the law different interpretations and oral traditions?

So we have to lay the problem of interpretation of good works or the law aside, agree?

Having said that you are aware that James does speak to what is pure and undefiled religion?

Moving on,
I will say that lawlessness according to many commentators does mean not only mean "instead of" but can also mean "rebelliousness?" Would you agree lawlessness also means rebelliousness?

lawlessness can be considered rebellion against authority, yes.

 

[disciplemike]

yes, yes, yes.

He never knew them. Apart from Christ, ALL are workers of lawlessness.

again, you are changing what He said.
Did He say, "depart from me all of you who are apart from me"?
that don't even sound right.
NO, NO, no.
He said, "depart from me, you workers of lawlessness".

 

[DP]

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of *lawlessness.’Matthew 7:23 (ESV2011, MBM)
*lawlessness = G458, anomia (an-om-ee'-ah) n.
1. illegality, i.e. violation of law

You're doing good DiscipleMike. Don't worry about these gainsayers here who hold God's laws in contempt so that they may appear righteous over God's Own Righteousness (something Job did, and God rebuked him for).

Soon enough they will learn what God's law is for and why it still exists under Christ Jesus (but not what He nailed to His cross, which was not all of God's law).

 

[DP]

Yes I agree, however do you agree that even the law can be interpreted in many ways and this is why the religious leaders back in the day fell into the trap of adding to the law different interpretations and oral traditions?

So we have to lay the problem of interpretation of good works or the law aside, agree?

Having said that you are aware that James does speak to what is pure and undefiled religion?

Moving on,
I will say that lawlessness according to many commentators does mean not only mean "instead of" but can also mean "rebelliousness?" Would you agree lawlessness also means rebelliousness?

Are you now, or have you ever been, associated with Communists? Just curious, since you seem to have issues with God's law as written in His Word, and in wanting to 'lay' the law aside.

 

[DP]

Question: "What is the Hebrew Roots movement?"

Answer: The premise of the Hebrew Roots movement is the belief that the Church has veered far from the true teachings and Hebrew concepts of the Bible. The movement maintains that Christianity has been indoctrinated with the culture and beliefs of Greek and Roman philosophy and that ultimately biblical Christianity, taught in churches today, has been corrupted with a pagan imitation of the New Testament gospels.

you know, that sounds just like your tagline:

I believe Scriptures. I also believe that the church has been duped. We were tricked with fake names, fake holy days, and grace-overrides-everything theology. It's time to come out of Babylon.

Those of the Hebrew Roots belief hold to the teaching that Christ's death on the cross did not end the Mosaic Covenant, but instead renewed it, expanded its message, and wrote it on the hearts of His true followers. They teach that the understanding of the New Testament can only come from a Hebrew perspective and that the teachings of the Apostle Paul are not understood clearly or taught correctly by Christian pastors today. Many affirm the existence of an original Hebrew-language New Testament and, in some cases, denigrate the existing New Testament text written in Greek. This becomes a subtle attack on the reliability of the text of our Bible. If the Greek text is unreliable and has been corrupted, as is charged by some, the Church no longer has a standard of truth.



you and other forum members, myself included, had this conversation when you first joined

unless you have left the movement, the above is what you believe

Ah, come on, you know disciplemike isn't teaching that stuff. What you're doing is indeed... slandering.

 

[FreeNChrist]

again, you are changing what He said.
Did He say, "depart from me all of you who are apart from me"?
that don't even sound right.
NO, NO, no.
He said, "depart from me, you workers of lawlessness".

Ummm, it's you who are changing what He said. I'm the one explaining to you what He meant.