YOUR STANDING IS WRAPPED UP IN JESUS

[Hizikyah]

Yes., if we are not born again in Jesus Christ we can't expect to be treated as sons when we are outside the family of God. God has given the gift of Salvation in His Son for all who believe and receive Jesus Christ as Savior. Jesus said "ye must be born again"

Once a person is born again., we have the promises of God in Christ by faith. We walk the Christian life the same way we got saved.... by grace through faith.

Hizikiah ., do you believe this?

A very similar view, with differnt wording, I believe what most call "born again" is this:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."[/FONT]


and actually being born again is this:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 15:51-55, “See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming. O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?”

other than that yes.

He gives us a new heart;

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]


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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

we walk in His ways:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”[/FONT]

 

[joaniemarie]

I believe this too. I believe that Jesus already took care of my standing as a daughter in the family when I was born again. A fig tree bears figs because that is what it was created to do. It doesn't grunt or find it hard to be a fig tree. It just does what it was created to do as it grows into a mature fig tree as it's watered. In our case., we grow by the washing of the water of the Word and the Holy Spirit ministers to us to guide., teach and comfort us as we grow up in the faith.

The burning of the branches are the works done by the Christian that were not done by faith. Those get burned., but the believer doesn't get burned up. Only the works not done by faith. The believer in Christ is saved... he/she is in the family and that position is not in jeopardy. Do you believe this?




[FONT=&quot]John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

we walk in His ways:
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[FONT=&quot]Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

I believe this too. I believe that Jesus already took care of my standing as a daughter in the family when I was born again. A fig tree bears figs because that is what it was created to do. It doesn't grunt or find it hard to be a fig tree. It just does what it was created to do as it grows into a mature fig tree as it's watered. In our case., we grow by the washing of the water of the Word and the Holy Spirit ministers to us to guide., teach and comfort us as we grow up in the faith.

The burning of the branches are the works done by the Christian that were not done by faith. Those get burned., but the believer doesn't get burned up. Only the works not done by faith. The believer in Christ is saved... he/she is in the family and that position is not in jeopardy. Do you believe this?




John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

we walk in His ways:


Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

I believe those who follow Messiah in truth are accpeted, this inclues belief and action. YHWH only accepts what He accepts, none can make their own path.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]does not obey” is word #544 - apeitheó: to disobey, Original Word: ἀπειθέω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: apeitheó, Phonetic Spelling: (ap-i-theh'-o), Short Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, refuse conformity.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]G544 ἀπειθέω apeitheo (a-pei-the'-ō) v., 1. to disbelieve (willfully and perversely)., 2. (by direct extension) to be willfully disobedient., [from G545], KJV: not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving , Root(s): G545 [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 8:12, “Therefore [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall by no means walk in darkness, but possess the light of life.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 4:17, “From that time [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 28:19-20, “Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nations” is word #G1484 - ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.), Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: ethnos, Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos), Short Definition: a race, people, the Gentiles, Definition: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]

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[joaniemarie]

[FONT=&quot]The sheep and goats are separated based on their identity not their works. Matt. 25:34 Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the of the world.

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[joaniemarie]

The sheep are "commended" for their good works. Matt.7 the goats are sent away even though they did a ton of good works. It's not the good works that makes the sheep a sheep. John 10:26 But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.

The sheep accept Jesus and the goats reject Jesus. Heb.8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness., and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. The sheep's iniquities He remembers no more.

But the self righteous goats who do their own works for their standing before a Holy God will not be forgiven because they are trying to get to God another way. Jesus says "I am the Way"

 

[Hizikyah]

The sheep are "commended" for their good works. Matt.7 the goats are sent away even though they did a ton of good works. It's not the good works that makes the sheep a sheep. John 10:26 But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.

The sheep accept Jesus and the goats reject Jesus. Heb.8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness., and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. The sheep's iniquities He remembers no more.

But the self righteous goats who do their own works for their standing before a Holy God will not be forgiven because they are trying to get to God another way. Jesus says "I am the Way

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me; Master! Master! will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Master! Master! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practiceiniquity.”[/FONT]



“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]practice” is word #G2038 Strong's Concordance - ergazomai: I work, trade, do, Original Word: ἐργάζομαι, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: ergazomai, Phonetic Spelling: (er-gad'-zom-ahee), Short Definition: I work, trade, do, Definition: I work, trade, perform, do, practice, commit, acquire by labor.[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]iniquity” is word #G458 Strong's Concordance - anomia, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 11:28, But He said, “Blessed rather are those hearing the Word of Yah and watching over it!”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 8:21, “And He answering, said to them, “My mother and My brothers are those who are hearing the Word of Yah and doing it.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 12:50, “For whoever does the desire of My Father who is in the heavens is My brother and sister and mother.”[/FONT]

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[CherieR]

This video is titled can a born again Christian lose their salvation? I think that what he may be saying is that if someone is truly saved, he/she will continue to believe. It does not make sense to me that a child of God through faith in Christ could stop believing in Jesus and thus reject the faith. I do believe that doubt can coincide with faith. This preacher does not go talk about doubt and faith in this video.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJ9cYbhgvQ[/video]

Yes I am sure that as believers in Christ and children of God, our standing/righteousness is in Christ and not in our trying to be a good person. Paul often addresses a group of believers in his letters as saints and it is not because they act like saints or are perfect people.

Believers in Christ who are worried that they might not be saved or fear losing their salvation, should, in my opinion, try to get to the root as to why they are feeling that way and attack the root. It is also good to see that beliefs about Jesus( who he is, what he did) is in line with the bible and also read what the bible has to say about the security of those who believe and trust in Jesus. I do believe that those who deny or disown Jesus to save their lives, Jesus will deny them if they don't turn again to Jesus and confess their faith before others. Peter denied Christ three times that he knew him, but later on after Jesus' resurrection, Peter boldly proclaimed Christ even in the face of persecution.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too Joanie! Please pray for my pastor Jamey and his wife Bonnie and the family. Bonnie was diagnosed with breast cancer. She should have had surgery by now. I don't know how bad it is/was. Please pray for healing, encouragement and zero complications.

 

[CherieR]

What is the work God requires or will of the Father? What commandments are we to keep( practice)?


John 6:29: Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


1 John 5:3-5:For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments:and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world:and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?


1 John 3:23-24:And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


Matthew 22:37-39: Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[UnderGrace]

I have learned more about Christ Jesus from the down and out of this world who have been born again, than all of the M. Div preachers and theologians I wasted time reading over the past thirty years.

Knowledge without Love is nothing.

What would be exciting is that Joseph Prince would go to seminary and learn some true doctrine. He has no seminary degrees at all.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I have learned more about Christ Jesus from the down and out of this world who have been born again, than all of the M. Div preachers and theologians I wasted time reading over the past thirty years.

Knowledge without Love is nothing.

IMO, a lack of knowledge, truth and the foundation of the word leads to broken down walls and a misunderstanding of what the love of God really is

God's love is not a human emotion

everything God does comes from His love, but His love is holy which is why He could tell the Israelites to destroy their enemies, including the women, children and even all the animals

God's love is not dependent on our understanding, but our understanding of the doctrine of God leads to truth

God is not going to change. and the Bible says that we change, when we renew our minds with the word of God

people putting the emotions before truth are always going to go off the tracks and we see that here again and again

when people counter biblical knowledge with their own experience, it means nothing at all

our experience needs to line up with the word

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Prince has tried to give us his version of positional salvation but he has not represented the biblical version

what is seen here in many of the responses, is an emotional response to a factual and biblical doctrine

what some seem to fail to grasp, is that while God sees us as made acceptable to Him through the blood of Christ, salvation is not a dead end street

salvation, as a biblical concept, actually means to have been saved, to be being saved and to be saved in the future

the devotional by Prince is not a reference for understanding the OT sacrificial system as has already been pointed (first page of this op) out

if you start with a wrong premise, you will continue to deviate and end up far from the truth

what sounds like truth to some, is no more than the skin of the truth stuffed with a lie

the Bible speaks of doctrines of demons, false teachers/prophets, and being led astray

these are not warnings for non believers, but each of us has a choice to make. we either accept the fact scripture is NOT open to private interpretation, God has NOT changed and is suddenly revealing a different understanding, repent of accepting lies and replace it with truth or continue to be led astray and kick out at anyone who points out the error of hyper grace teachings, the NAR platform, hyper Charasmatics etc

emotional diatribes and generalizing from one's own personal experience, lumping all Christians together from one's own understanding is a complete fallacy

I have said before and I guess I will repeat myself here. Some folks got off to a very bad start in their understanding of the love of God, salvation, grace and so on and they seem to think everyone did

 

[Issachar92]

Its weird how obedience = pharisee nowadays. In the bible it was the opposite, Jesus said they made God's law of none effect by their own human traditions. So they werent the obedient once.

Dont that ring a bell? Then we got folks like joyce meyer get on stage and rant and rave about "religious people" and "Pharisees" who quote 1 timothy 2:12. Without realizing that hey, the pharisees werent the ones doing what God said, but making up their own traditions and making God's word of none effect just like joyce meyer is doing.
Just laughs off the instruction there and gets on stage and preaches. Those silly religious pharisees still trying to stand for what the bible teaches in 2017 LOL!

Individuals who discard the bible dont bother me one bit, cause they aint spreading that false doctrine on TV. But when someone preaches false doctrine to millions around the world, actively, now thats a problem.

 

[CherieR]

I have learned more about Christ Jesus from the down and out of this world who have been born again, than all of the M. Div preachers and theologians I wasted time reading over the past thirty years.

Knowledge without Love is nothing.

Good point undergrace. Though I have liked listening to some like Max Lucado( he does not come on much) and some others who I don't know well but have been encouraging. We do not know what trials preachers on tv and online have been through unless we are able to look it up. I think it is a good idea to look preachers up to see what they teach and life experiences.
Paul who had gone through so many hard times and persecution, is really good to read. When he talks how he has learned to be content in all things and tell us to rejoice always, we may think that if he can be content and rejoice in such trials, so can we.

 

[joaniemarie]

Bible verses continued.....


The proof of God’s amazing love is this: that it was while we were sinners that Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8, Phillips)

We need to settle this in our heart. God loves ME. Period. Whether we're up or down., the one constant we can count on is our Father’s unwavering love for us.

1 Corinthians 13 gives one of the best descriptions of God’s love.

Love endures long and is patient and kind … it endures everything [without weakening]. Love never fails [never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to an end]. (1 Corinthians 13:4,7–8, AMP)

The love of men is frail and weak but your Father’s love endures forever (Psalm 136).

The real question is not whether God will always love you but whether you know and enjoy His love.

Again., our standing is all wrapped up in Jesus.

Again., far from running off on emotions of condemnation and or self righteousness., we hold to the truth that God's love is based on Jesus Christ and His righteous standing. So because of Jesus., we can stand regardless of the world., the flesh and the devil.

We don't stand in our own righteousness but we stand in His. This is what the OP is all about. Our standing is wrapped up in our Great High Priest Jesus. He is our righteousness and only because of Jesus can we hold on steady as we are being the righteousness of God IN Christ. We know that He is our confidence., not in the works we do or don't do.

2 Cor. 5:21 For our sake He made Christ (virtually) to be sin Who knew no sin, so that in and through Him we might become (endued with, viewed as being in, and examples of) the righteousness of God. Amplified Bible

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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Those who don't profess this kind of righteousness don't understand what Christ has done for them and can't accept it for others either. So there will always be a major difference in believers who have yet to learn about who they are IN Christ. And we who have learned will continue to profess Christ and His righteousness given to us so they can also learn and be set free from condemnation. Romans 8:1-2

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

 

[CherieR]

Again., far from running off on emotions of condemnation and or self righteousness., we hold to the truth that God's love is based on Jesus Christ and His righteous standing. So because of Jesus., we can stand regardless of the world., the flesh and the devil.

We don't stand in our own righteousness but we stand in His. This is what the OP is all about. Our standing is wrapped up in our Great High Priest Jesus. He is our righteousness and only because of Jesus can we hold on steady as we are being the righteousness of God IN Christ. We know that He is our confidence., not in the works we do or don't do.

2 Cor. 5:21 For our sake He made Christ (virtually) to be sin Who knew no sin, so that in and through Him we might become (endued with, viewed as being in, and examples of) the righteousness of God. Amplified Bible

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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Those who don't profess this kind of righteousness don't understand what Christ has done for them and can't accept it for others either. So there will always be a major difference in believers who have yet to learn about who they are IN Christ. And we who have learned will continue to profess Christ and His righteousness given to us so they can also learn and be set free from condemnation. Romans 8:1-2

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

Good post Joanie. I would say that God's love is based on who he is... God is love. Though I believe that God's heart is especially tender to his children and the broken-hearted.

 

[BillG]

IMO, a lack of knowledge, truth and the foundation of the word leads to broken down walls and a misunderstanding of what the love of God really is

God's love is not a human emotion

everything God does comes from His love, but His love is holy which is why He could tell the Israelites to destroy their enemies, including the women, children and even all the animals

God's love is not dependent on our understanding, but our understanding of the doctrine of God leads to truth

God is not going to change. and the Bible says that we change, when we renew our minds with the word of God

people putting the emotions before truth are always going to go off the tracks and we see that here again and again

when people counter biblical knowledge with their own experience, it means nothing at all

our experience needs to line up with the word

It's good job he is constant even when we are not.
It's interesting that you mention destroying their enemies.
Even though this is Gods holy judgment there is also love and grace.

With regards to the promised land God said they could not have it because the sin of the people had not yet overtaken them.
That was about 400 years before.

Even then my understanding is that even before they entered the promised land there would have been time to repent.

The love and grace I see is the time the repentance, furthermore the children I feel will be in heaven.

 

[BillG]

Good post Joanie. I would say that God's love is based on who he is... God is love. Though I believe that God's heart is especially tender to his children and the broken-hearted.

To me his heart is for all people.
For God so loved the world

 

[7seasrekeyed]

no one is saved without accepting Jesus Christ as their Savior

no one is righteous through their own efforts

it is ridiculous to state there are Christians who would argue against that as threads have been going on for years that state we do believe it and have believed it and continue to believe it

some people seem to have got off to a very bad start in their understanding of the grace of God, what salvation is and the fact we do not earn salvation and God does not condemn us if we are saved

there are not different kinds of righteousness; there is only one

however, there are a good number of understandings and that becomes obvious reading some of the answers here

when someone suddenly understands that they are not condemned, it is inappropriate to make the conclusion that everyone else is in the dark as the op seems to consistently state in various threads in which the teaching of Prince is posted with resulting objections from those who actually have a better understanding, having been taught there is therefore now no condemnation from the beginning of their Christian journey

yet, that is what is being done by the op

defining two understandings of righteousness is a fabrication here as this is a well traveled road and no one that I know of has ever stated that righteousness is obtained any other way than through the blood of Christ

however, I have read numerous posts by the op in which she has stated this is all new to her

so, why assume it is all new to the rest of us?

what we object to, is the teaching of Prince who has obviously failed to properly comprehend the place or duties of the High Priest in the Old Testament and the last High Priest, Jesus

several people have pointed out the errant musings of Prince and the op deals with that by stating there are two kinds of righteousness being presented..hers and everyone else who disagrees with what she posted from Prince

I suggest that some comprehension in actually understanding what engenders the response to Prince, might stop the notion that people do not understand God's love, grace, the office of the High Priest, our position in Christ, positional righteousness in Christ or the fact that many of us actually UNDERSTOOD all those things and more right from the beginning because we had proper teachers who knew the basic doctrines of scripture and did not jump from one passage to another and connect the dots by saying if you don't get this teaching, then you are missing out

no one disagrees our righteousness is in Christ...we disagree with Princes' description of the High Priest

read the OT for yourself and you will find it is actually far more comprehensive and dovetails beautifully with what Jesus has accomplished for us, once and for all, on the cross

 

[joaniemarie]

To me his heart is for all people.
For God so loved the world

Yes., I agree God's heart is for the whole world so much so that He sent Jesus to die for the whole world's sin. But once a person is born again they are now sons and daughters and heirs and joint heirs with Christ. The standing is much different and the gifts and blessings are now ours IN Christ where as before they were not. Before we were already condemned and now we are not. Being a son is totally different than not being a son.

 

[Speak2Me]

I have learned more about Christ Jesus from the down and out of this world who have been born again, than all of the M. Div preachers and theologians I wasted time reading over the past thirty years.

Knowledge without Love is nothing.

Getting cold in here.
Maybe it's all those snowjobs that UG & JM are pouring on everyone, lol.