EBOLA PATIENT LET IN to the U.S.
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I'm fine with praying for him and his family. Certainly. That's not what I was criticizing.
I was criticizing this idea of yours that we should not be concerned about an Ebola outbreak in the U.S. within the context of a discussion about the government presently flying the first two Ebola victims into the U.S..
I was criticizing this idea of yours that we should not be concerned about an Ebola outbreak in the U.S. within the context of a discussion about the government presently flying the first two Ebola victims into the U.S..
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The man is an American citizen, it is only right that he not be permitted to infect other American citizens with this deadly virus that has a 60%-90% mortality rate which means he should be provided treatment outside of the U.S. in Africa not flown here as a contagious infectious host of such a deadly virus risking the possibility of many other American citizen's needless death. Now familiarize yourself with the concept of assumption of risk.
^ There all fixed. Glad I could help.
^ There all fixed. Glad I could help.
Yes, and he just jumped off a plane and walked into a hospital in Atlanta while spreading his infected bodily fluids everywhere.......
FYI, this disease is not airborne. He was covered from head to toe in a protected suit, and believe it or not the medical professionals know how to handle deadly diseases. Have a little faith. Sitting online creating a HIGHLY ungodly attitude about this is no help. I understand there is a natural reason for concern, but your tantrums are rather unreasonable.
FYI, this disease is not airborne. He was covered from head to toe in a protected suit, and believe it or not the medical professionals know how to handle deadly diseases. Have a little faith. Sitting online creating a HIGHLY ungodly attitude about this is no help. I understand there is a natural reason for concern, but your tantrums are rather unreasonable.
Yes, I'm sure THEY are taking every precaution!
Breaking: American Ebola Patient Arrives In US – WALKS INTO Emory U Hospital – NO POLICE ESCORT | The Gateway Pundit
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It's as though all of this is a covert war on the American people (us). You have them coming in droves across the southern border carrying smallpox, TB, etc etc and now we're bringing them right in the front door carrying one of the most deadly infectious diseases known to man. BTW.....someone said that Ebola is not airborne:
Ebola - What You're Not Being Told [UPDATED] | SCG News
Ebola - What You're Not Being Told [UPDATED] | SCG News
Ebola is spread from bodily fluids. It's not some airborn virus that you catch from sitting at a stoplight. Are you freaking kidding me?!?!?!
The man walked out of the ambulance covered from HEAD TO TOE in a protective suit. The others that were present were protected as well. Quite frankly I am glad the man has the ability to walk.
Ebola Patient Dr. Kent Brantly Arrives at U.S. Hospital From Liberia - NBC News
The man walked out of the ambulance covered from HEAD TO TOE in a protective suit. The others that were present were protected as well. Quite frankly I am glad the man has the ability to walk.
Ebola Patient Dr. Kent Brantly Arrives at U.S. Hospital From Liberia - NBC News
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I think it's ungodly to subject 330 million Americans to a deadly virus with a 60%-90% mortality rate. Not sure how others work around the obvious falsely asserting that only by forcing 330 million Americans to assume the risk of a deadly virus with a 60%-90% mortality rate can one be a godly person. It's negligent manslaughter if even one person dies from Ebola as a result of bringing it into the country so obviously it's godly to prevent putting one's neighbors at risk of Ebola.
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Nature is a premiere scholarly scientific journal: Transmission of Ebola virus from pigs to non-human primates : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group
"Here we show ZEBOV transmission from pigs to cynomolgus macaques without direct contact. Interestingly, transmission between macaques in similar housing conditions was never observed. Piglets inoculated oro-nasally with ZEBOV were transferred to the room housing macaques in an open inaccessible cage system. All macaques became infected. Infectious virus was detected in oro-nasal swabs of piglets, and in blood, swabs, and tissues of macaques. This is the first report of experimental interspecies virus transmission, with the macaques also used as a human surrogate."
^ Good find Sirk.
"Here we show ZEBOV transmission from pigs to cynomolgus macaques without direct contact. Interestingly, transmission between macaques in similar housing conditions was never observed. Piglets inoculated oro-nasally with ZEBOV were transferred to the room housing macaques in an open inaccessible cage system. All macaques became infected. Infectious virus was detected in oro-nasal swabs of piglets, and in blood, swabs, and tissues of macaques. This is the first report of experimental interspecies virus transmission, with the macaques also used as a human surrogate."
^ Good find Sirk.
I understand the concern that people have about an Ebola infected patient intentionally being brought into the US due to the high mortality rates and lack of a functioning vaccine or even successful treatment. After reading around quite a bit tonight on the subject I was rather surprised to find out that this IS NOT the first time that Ebola has been introduced into the US.
On three different occasions prior to 2010 (the published date of the noted CDC document) Ebola-Restone (one of multiple strains) was introduced into the US via infected lab animals being imported to research facilities. This particular strain has not been shown to be communicable to humans however.
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/fact-sheet.pdf
On three different occasions prior to 2010 (the published date of the noted CDC document) Ebola-Restone (one of multiple strains) was introduced into the US via infected lab animals being imported to research facilities. This particular strain has not been shown to be communicable to humans however.
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/fact-sheet.pdf
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And our Lord touched the Lepers. He called us to do so also. Countless Christians have gone and worked in leper colonies and at lepresoriums. Christians have gone to take care of those who have influenza, typhoid, yellow fever, and worse diseases. It is Jesus who has called us hence time and again, pressing into our hearts that the simple truth of kindness and mercy are more of a medicine than a clean bed with clean sheets, and possibly can be more than a medicine than medicine. It is for this reason that I care not about this man being brought home. Don't just scream and berate our government because you do not know the man. It is a kindness and a mercy that he come home and receive treatment from the greatest hospitals and doctors in the world. As an American citizen, he is entitled to it. As a fellow human being, we are called to give it to him.
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You can couch it in all the flowery speech you like but that changes nothing.
First, Jesus healed lepers meaning neither He nor they had leprosy any longer: Jesus did not contract leprosy and then spread it.
Secondly, there is an assumed risk inherent with leaving the states to go work with Ebola patients. The public never assumed that risk. That risk is being forced upon them.
Thirdly, it's negligent homicide to transport infectious people into the U.S. who have a contagious disease with a 60%-90% mortality rate and no known cure if even one (1) person dies as a result. If it gets into the population and people begin dropping in waves then it's an unintentional form of democide (e.g. death by government).
I have no problem removing the flowery speech from the reality that it's stupid to import Ebola victims into the U.S. and if it costs Americans their lives then it's immoral and should be criminal for those responsible imo.
He should have been given the best possible care IN AFRICA.
First, Jesus healed lepers meaning neither He nor they had leprosy any longer: Jesus did not contract leprosy and then spread it.
Secondly, there is an assumed risk inherent with leaving the states to go work with Ebola patients. The public never assumed that risk. That risk is being forced upon them.
Thirdly, it's negligent homicide to transport infectious people into the U.S. who have a contagious disease with a 60%-90% mortality rate and no known cure if even one (1) person dies as a result. If it gets into the population and people begin dropping in waves then it's an unintentional form of democide (e.g. death by government).
I have no problem removing the flowery speech from the reality that it's stupid to import Ebola victims into the U.S. and if it costs Americans their lives then it's immoral and should be criminal for those responsible imo.
He should have been given the best possible care IN AFRICA.
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Whoa Nelly! 
Considering all the disasters that have happened in recent years, I think it’s easy to jump into a “worst-apocalypse-scenario” mindset whenever something bad might happen. But we really need to be careful, because reacting too fast & strong can make us guilty of maligning servants who are being faithful to God’s work. Hear me out all the way before coming against what I'm saying- we're supposed to be on the same team after all . Let's step back and look at this again, with the remembrance of Jesus’ warning that some would be found at His coming beating their fellow laborers, and not allow satan to lure us into that.
A good response toward our brother and sister will always be with love; we know they were infected while helping the dying, and bringing the gospel to them. They do deserve the best treatment; I know you say they should be given the best treatment in Africa, but let's re-examine the risks. We all have knives in the kitchen after all, which could make irrevocable changes to our lives, more irrevocable than an encounter with ebola. But none of us consider that a problem, as long as our precautions, knowledge and ability are appropriate for that setting.
Some posters have indicated concerns with the deadliness of ebola and it’s mode of transmission. For context, as bad as it is, realize that ebola isn’t the deadliest of viruses to exist on US soil. Americans are at risk for super-deadly diseases constantly, every day. Ebola also isn’t as contagious as other viruses (which our healthcare system is already used to handling) which means that this isn’t an entirely new concept, it’s just a different combination of the same risks we know how to deal with. Should we handle it with care? Obviously. Is Emory Hospital up to the task? It's probably one of the best prepared places in the world for it.
The study AgeOfKnowledge and Sirk linked to was also interesting (although the scgnews.com article was written simply to inflame reactions, the scholarly research it was based on was more level-headed). The research showed that healthy monkeys housed in cages next to infected monkeys did not contract ebola, but if the monkeys were housed next to infected pigs, they did catch the disease. From Sirk’s link, the author’s implication is that the transmission was made through “large droplets.” This isn’t anything mysterious or new. Ask any nurse- droplet precautions are standard knowledge in healthcare- it means you can get infected when tiny droplets of a person’s bodily fluids are sneezed, coughed, or otherwise sprayed at you (droplets also do not to travel more than a couple feet, which the author of the ebola study was quick to reiterate). Being a country boy, I can also say the study makes sense, considering the nasal/respiratory habits of pigs pretty much makes them droplet-producing machines (example), whereas the monkeys in the study (cynomolgus macaques) with their small noses and mouths probably didn’t produce many droplets (now if only they could get out of that poo-throwing habit).
Ebola scares us because it seems exotic, and once we know someone has it, it seems like their fate has been sealed. Rest assured, as we speak, the doctors working with Kent have a more healthy respect for that virus’ deadliness than any one of us on this board (you don’t have to remind a pilot it would be bad for his plane to go down). They understand the risks, and the precautions that must be taken, and they’re going way above standard droplet precautions in normal healthcare settings. So lets have a little faith, and pray for Kent and Nancy. I just read that Kent had an opportunity for a life-extending injection in Africa, but reserved it for Nancy instead. Pray for them.
Considering all the disasters that have happened in recent years, I think it’s easy to jump into a “worst-apocalypse-scenario” mindset whenever something bad might happen. But we really need to be careful, because reacting too fast & strong can make us guilty of maligning servants who are being faithful to God’s work. Hear me out all the way before coming against what I'm saying- we're supposed to be on the same team after all . Let's step back and look at this again, with the remembrance of Jesus’ warning that some would be found at His coming beating their fellow laborers, and not allow satan to lure us into that.A good response toward our brother and sister will always be with love; we know they were infected while helping the dying, and bringing the gospel to them. They do deserve the best treatment; I know you say they should be given the best treatment in Africa, but let's re-examine the risks. We all have knives in the kitchen after all, which could make irrevocable changes to our lives, more irrevocable than an encounter with ebola. But none of us consider that a problem, as long as our precautions, knowledge and ability are appropriate for that setting.
Some posters have indicated concerns with the deadliness of ebola and it’s mode of transmission. For context, as bad as it is, realize that ebola isn’t the deadliest of viruses to exist on US soil. Americans are at risk for super-deadly diseases constantly, every day. Ebola also isn’t as contagious as other viruses (which our healthcare system is already used to handling) which means that this isn’t an entirely new concept, it’s just a different combination of the same risks we know how to deal with. Should we handle it with care? Obviously. Is Emory Hospital up to the task? It's probably one of the best prepared places in the world for it.
The study AgeOfKnowledge and Sirk linked to was also interesting (although the scgnews.com article was written simply to inflame reactions, the scholarly research it was based on was more level-headed). The research showed that healthy monkeys housed in cages next to infected monkeys did not contract ebola, but if the monkeys were housed next to infected pigs, they did catch the disease. From Sirk’s link, the author’s implication is that the transmission was made through “large droplets.” This isn’t anything mysterious or new. Ask any nurse- droplet precautions are standard knowledge in healthcare- it means you can get infected when tiny droplets of a person’s bodily fluids are sneezed, coughed, or otherwise sprayed at you (droplets also do not to travel more than a couple feet, which the author of the ebola study was quick to reiterate). Being a country boy, I can also say the study makes sense, considering the nasal/respiratory habits of pigs pretty much makes them droplet-producing machines (example), whereas the monkeys in the study (cynomolgus macaques) with their small noses and mouths probably didn’t produce many droplets (now if only they could get out of that poo-throwing habit).
Ebola scares us because it seems exotic, and once we know someone has it, it seems like their fate has been sealed. Rest assured, as we speak, the doctors working with Kent have a more healthy respect for that virus’ deadliness than any one of us on this board (you don’t have to remind a pilot it would be bad for his plane to go down). They understand the risks, and the precautions that must be taken, and they’re going way above standard droplet precautions in normal healthcare settings. So lets have a little faith, and pray for Kent and Nancy. I just read that Kent had an opportunity for a life-extending injection in Africa, but reserved it for Nancy instead. Pray for them.