EBOLA PATIENT LET IN to the U.S.

[Esanta]

I'm fine with praying for him and his family. Certainly. That's not what I was criticizing.

I was criticizing this idea of yours that we should not be concerned about an Ebola outbreak in the U.S. within the context of a discussion about the government presently flying the first two Ebola victims into the U.S..

It's one case of two people with Ebola being transferred under quarantine. Ebola is a contact transmitted virus. In otherwords, if you're not sucking face with the guy, sucking up his snot, rubbing eyeballs together or otherwise transmitting bodily fluids, you're going to be fine.

What's Ebola got to do with left-wing policy anyway?

No doubt the right-tards will be using it to incite panic to great effect, since you right-wingers are about as pliable as an Ebola patient's liquefied internal organs. Gullible people.

The fact of the matter is this, he was taken from Liberia by a medical plane to be treated, because if he was treated in Africa, he'd probably die. That's how he was able to get into America. In reality, in an airport, you wouldn't even get through security, because from the time of contracting the disease, until the end of the ridiculous wait times in airports, your liver may well be dripping from your earlobes. That's an exaggeration, but you'd feel very sick, and wouldn't be allowed on the plane.

So, when the media start crying 'Ebola outbreak, Ebola outbreak', you can get your teddy bear, wrap up warm, AgeOfKnowledge, and remember it's all going to be okay. You're fine. It's a quarantined transfer of a pair of patients, not a national security issue.

 

[tourist]

It's one case of two people with Ebola being transferred under quarantine. Ebola is a contact transmitted virus. In otherwords, if you're not sucking face with the guy, sucking up his snot, rubbing eyeballs together or otherwise transmitting bodily fluids, you're going to be fine.

What's Ebola got to do with left-wing policy anyway?

No doubt the right-tards will be using it to incite panic to great effect, since you right-wingers are about as pliable as an Ebola patient's liquefied internal organs. Gullible people.

The fact of the matter is this, he was taken from Liberia by a medical plane to be treated, because if he was treated in Africa, he'd probably die. That's how he was able to get into America. In reality, in an airport, you wouldn't even get through security, because from the time of contracting the disease, until the end of the ridiculous wait times in airports, your liver may well be dripping from your earlobes. That's an exaggeration, but you'd feel very sick, and wouldn't be allowed on the plane.

So, when the media start crying 'Ebola outbreak, Ebola outbreak', you can get your teddy bear, wrap up warm, AgeOfKnowledge, and remember it's all going to be okay. You're fine. It's a quarantined transfer of a patient, not a national security issue.

I don't feel too good today. What are the symptoms again? I think it is starting to kick in. My teddy looks a little sickly too but that was from SARS so I probably don't have anything to worry about.

 

[Esanta]

I don't feel too good today. What are the symptoms again? I think it is starting to kick in. My teddy looks a little sickly too but that was from SARS so I probably don't have anything to worry about.

You didn't happen to be giving European kisses to anybody with bleeding eyeballs, did you?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Obviously it DOES matter that Christ healed them and was immune Himself from infection. Your assertion that it does not matter is false.

Furthermore, St. Francis and Mother Theresa chose to work in that field. They did not spread deadly infections into uninfected populations murdering people nor increase the risk of doing so.

The only straw man here is your continuing false assertion that Christians must foist deadly disease upon uninfected populations or they are ungodly people. That's fallacious.

I haven't ignored your point that Christians are called to many diverse areas of ministry. I agree with that we are. However, leveraging the government to foist deadly diseases upon uninfected populations just isn't one of them.

No American citizen has the "right" to put the lives of other American citizens at risk of death by deadly disease. That's another false assertion you keep making.

And look, you're making false assertions about me again. I will continue to correct your wicked ad hominem whenever you choose to engage in the behavior.

I said, "He should have been given the best possible care IN AFRICA."

Reread my post since you're obviously blatantly misrepresenting what I said while interjecting lies you're fabricating into what I said: http://christianchat.com/christian-n...ml#post1636776

"First, Jesus healed lepers meaning neither He nor they had leprosy any longer: Jesus did not contract leprosy and then spread it.

Secondly, there is an assumed risk inherent with leaving the states to go work with Ebola patients. The public never assumed that risk. That risk is being forced upon them.

Thirdly, it's negligent homicide to transport infectious people into the U.S. who have a contagious disease with a 60%-90% mortality rate and no known cure if even one (1) person dies as a result. If it gets into the population and people begin dropping in waves then it's an unintentional form of democide (e.g. death by government).

I have no problem removing the flowery speech from the reality that it's stupid to import Ebola victims into the U.S. and if it costs Americans their lives then it's immoral and should be criminal for those responsible imo.

He should have been given the best possible care IN AFRICA."

^ That does not equate to your false assertion of "to hell with him." That's a lie you keep repeating which does not reflect well on your integrity.

It doesn't matter that Christ healed them. He called us to take care of them. St. Francis kissed the fingers and foreheads of lepers. St. Damien the Leper in the prime of his life agreed to be quarantined on an island of Lepers called Molokai. The Order of St. Benedict created the Houses of St. Giles for lepers. The lepresarium in Louisiana called Carville was founded by Christians seeking to help them. Mother Teresa took in those who were dying of influenza, typhoid, syphillis, and leprosy. So, your response truly is the straw man here. You ignored my point that we are called to go out and visit and care for the sick. Our country has the BEST hospitals in the world, with more technological advancements than anywhere else. His chance at survival leaped the moment he cross the border into his own homeland.


Also, you seem to be ignoring the fact that the man is an American citizen, and he has certain privileges. Those privileges include being taken care of by his own people, and if necessary to die among his own people. So, you truly are the one to say to hell with him, he might infect me. That is the reaction you are having. Its one of survival, however, not of mercy.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

How about we should have given Brantly the best care IN AFRICA. The hypocrisy here is that you're putting your neighbors at risk of a deadly disease that will kill many of them if it gets out. That's gross negligence at best.

This "logic" that containing a deadly disease so it doesn't result in more victims equates to not caring about people outside of America is truly ignorant.

Using Elizabeth's "logic," we have to subject Americans to Ebola or we're not loving Africans. One can only be a good Christian by ensuring that deadly diseases get transported into uninfected populations.

WRONG! Take a logic 101 class Elizabeth.

How about we just ship Brantly back to Africa. Who cares who dies over there. Who cares if he has no chance of survival there. No one really cares about an outbreak... as long as it doesn't happen in America. Who cares who dies.........Well isn't that just the Christian way of looking at it?

 

[tourist]

How about we just ship Brantly back to Africa. Who cares who dies over there. Who cares if he has no chance of survival there. No one really cares about an outbreak... as long as it doesn't happen in America. Who cares who dies.........Well isn't that just the Christian way of looking at it?

In general, yes. Sad.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

There's nothing Christian about subjecting a continent of uninfected people to a deadly disease. That's in your head not in reality.

1) The treatment they get here is already given there. You obviously don't know what the treatment is or you wouldn't continue to make this false assertion. Here's the treatment protocol from the CDC: Treatment | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC As you can clearly see, this is already available in Africa. Subjecting an entire continent to Ebola is gross negligence.

2) In Africa, we have immediate access to the live antibodies that their bodies are producing. No need to fly infected hosts into the U.S. for this purpose.

3) We can maintain a safer environment for American citizens IN AFRICA. It is unnecessary and undesirable to expose Americans to a deadly virus with a 60%-90% mortality factor before a vaccine is developed. Africa has state of the art facilities and it should be developed there.

There are three reasons to bring these young adults back to the US alive, besides the fact that it is the Christian thing to do.

1) They have a very good chance of survival here. The treatment where they are housed is second to none.

2) We have immediate access to the live antibodies that their bodies are producing. These antibodies are key to finding a successful treatment both here and in Africa.

3) We can maintain a safe environment for the worlds best research teams to work. The faster that a treatment and preventative vaccine can be developed, the safer the world will be.

 

[Anonimous]

Get a grip yourself...you act as if we are all ready dead. Now, what if you're child were sick...would you be more comfortable having him treated overseas?...or would you want him treated in the best facility? aok...

 

[Anonimous]

How about we should have given Brantly the best care IN AFRICA. The hypocrisy here is that you're putting your neighbors at risk of a deadly disease that will kill many of them if it gets out. That's gross negligence at best.

This "logic" that containing a deadly disease so it doesn't result in more victims equates to not caring about people outside of America is truly ignorant.

Using Elizabeth's "logic," we have to subject Americans to Ebola or we're not loving Africans. One can only be a good Christian by ensuring that deadly diseases get transported into uninfected populations.

WRONG! Take a logic 101 class Elizabeth.

what would you do? ship him back? He's here now...

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

 

[Sirk]

Get a grip yourself...you act as if we are all ready dead. Now, what if you're child were sick...would you be more comfortable having him treated overseas?...or would you want him treated in the best facility? aok...

I would really like to prevent my children from getting sick by not bringing a deadly disease home.

 

[ThomistColin]

So, what? He's here. He's improving. He's quarantined in a hospital. Which nation should have taken him? The nation he was in has poor hospitals. South Africa? Probably would have denied him entry. Egypt? Not sure he'd be safe there. Where? Where would he receive the care that would even be close to equal to the United States? You speak of fear of disease, as if plague will wipe out the human race. We assume the risk when one of our own is in trouble. I gladly assume that risk.

 

[lav]

thank God we took him, what if that were you ( insert self with name ) ?

 

[crossnote]

Now, possibly England

Ebola terror at Gatwick as passenger collapses and dies getting off Sierra Leone flight - Mirror Online

 

[Sirk]

Nah...there is no reason to think that cdc isn't capable of appropriately handling infectious disease and biotoxins. Sometimes I wonder if people pay attention or just wander around going from one unreliable emotion to the other.

CDC Mishaps: Only government would leave anthrax in an unlocked fridge | Fox News

 

[Elizabeth619]

How about we should have given Brantly the best care IN AFRICA. The hypocrisy here is that you're putting your neighbors at risk of a deadly disease that will kill many of them if it gets out. That's gross negligence at best.

This "logic" that containing a deadly disease so it doesn't result in more victims equates to not caring about people outside of America is truly ignorant.

Using Elizabeth's "logic," we have to subject Americans to Ebola or we're not loving Africans. One can only be a good Christian by ensuring that deadly diseases get transported into uninfected populations.

WRONG! Take a logic 101 class Elizabeth.

I don't think you have any room to talk about hypocrisy. You're mind is so clouded by paranoia and bitterness you attack Christians. You do it daily on here. I am done talking to you about this. We can agree to disagree, but I will not be part of your attacks any longer.

 

[Sirk]

I don't think you have any room to talk about hypocrisy. You're mind is so clouded by paranoia and bitterness you attack Christians. You do it daily on here. I am done talking to you about this. We can agree to disagree, but I will not be part of your attacks any longer.

To be fair....you accused him of not caring about victims of ebola. So you attacked his character. In my estimation it is you that is on the attack. When my kids get stubborn about something we call it rock brain. What is so hard about having a conversation about this except that certain people types have to drive a stake in the moral high ground by calling people uncaring because they don't agree with you. So immature.

 

[ThomistColin]

I don't think you have any room to talk about hypocrisy. You're mind is so clouded by paranoia and bitterness you attack Christians. You do it daily on here. I am done talking to you about this. We can agree to disagree, but I will not be part of your attacks any longer.

Honestly, I believe AgeofKnowledge is overreacting and strangely unmerciful here, but I disagree with you about him being bitter or attacking his fellow Christians on here. He often comes to the defense of the underdog, and will even openly disagree with a person, but not allow falsehoods about the person or their beliefs to go unnoticed. He is a good Christian man.

 

[vic1980]

No need to be afraid of anything God is with us, He hold the keys.

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

God Bless

 

[Nautilus]

I said, "He should have been given the best possible care IN AFRICA."

Condemn the man to death? That seems christian.