GO Bernie GO!

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Mitspa

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Freedom vs Christ's teachings... you're on the wrong side brother.
Christ teachings are freedom...the foundations of the liberty understood at the formation of this nation are based on New Testament teachings of liberty in Christ. You don't even seem to know what side represents Christ?
 

RickyZ

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I know that Christ abhors hoarding riches and creating poverty.
 

RickyZ

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Besides, what happened to GO BERNIE GO!
 

RickyZ

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But in truth, no, Bernie, Hillary, Cruz, Bush, Carson, et al, no!

On the fence about Trump but probably not.
 
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Mitspa

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I know that Christ abhors hoarding riches and creating poverty.
Well thats bad ..but that don't mean the system of liberty we have is bad ... All things can be used for good or bad ...and bad people are going to be bad, whether they are rich or poor. Being poor don't make anyone godly or ungodly, neither does being rich.
 

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I would just love to see the "Bern" beat Hillary.... and I wonder if he ends up beating Hillary ..how in the world could the Dems try to replace him in the general election without causing some sort of revolt in the party?
The guy's fantastic. Not for years have I seen a politician in the American presidential race who seems to care so much about actual issues. Giving people a better standard of living, cutting the throat of corruption, providing public healthcare -- all honorable goals. I'd like to see him become President.
 
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Mitspa

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The guy's fantastic. Not for years have I seen a politician in the American presidential race who seems to care so much about actual issues. Giving people a better standard of living, cutting the throat of corruption, providing public healthcare -- all honorable goals. I'd like to see him become President.
Well ..I would like to see him beat Hillary :)
 
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3Scoreand10

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Nothings free, no one is suggesting that. He wants to tax wall street speculation, make corporations and billionaires actually pay taxes instead of sheltering their money off shore, close tax loopholes on interest and inheritances, and end tax breaks and subsidies for fossil fuel companies. In 2010, General Electric didn't pay dime in taxes, in fact, they recorded a tax benefit of 1.1 billion dollars. They are a multi-billion dollar corporation, thats disgusting. And there are many other examples like that. Every one wants to say, "oh its all these entitled millennial that just want something for nothing"...no, we just want the rich and powerful to pay a much more fair tax rate, instead of being allowed to game the system.
There is a point you should understand.
The rich will always be rich because when their taxes are raised, they just raise their income.
I once worked for a man that said he did not care how much his taxes were raised. He needed one million dollars a year to support his family's lifestyle. Everytime his taxes went up he raised prices and cut labor cost.
In the end, the working class will ALWAYS pay the taxes.
 
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3Scoreand10

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No ...lol I think if Bernie wins? It guarantees a Republican president :) So GO BERNIE >>>GO!
I think Bernie lacks what is needed to beat Hillary!:p
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RachelBibleStudent

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be careful what you wish for...the last time hillary clinton lost...obama won...
 

RickyZ

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There is a point you should understand.
The rich will always be rich because when their taxes are raised, they just raise their income.
I once worked for a man that said he did not care how much his taxes were raised. He needed one million dollars a year to support his family's lifestyle. Everytime his taxes went up he raised prices and cut labor cost.
In the end, the working class will ALWAYS pay the taxes.
The problem with this attitude is that we are quickly eliminating the working class. We will soon only have the poor and the rich with no middle. How much can you tax poor people? They have no money to take! Rich people whine that they pay an unfair percentage of taxes, but fail to consider that once they eliminate the middle class they will pay 100% of the taxes because there will be no one else left to tax.
 
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Mitspa

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The problem with this attitude is that we are quickly eliminating the working class. We will soon only have the poor and the rich with no middle. How much can you tax poor people? They have no money to take! Rich people whine that they pay an unfair percentage of taxes, but fail to consider that once they eliminate the middle class they will pay 100% of the taxes because there will be no one else left to tax.
The whole goal of socialism is to destroy the middle class and the power of the working class people, to bring in the liberal elite...Just like communism.
 

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I truly love my brothers and sisters in Christ, but just the fact that the evils and perils of socialism have to be explained to even some older Americans, makes me incredibly saddened, amazed, and befuddled. It's like the past hundred years of misery, fear, horrible economic conditions, and MURDER, caused by socialism didn't happen!!

Most on the left, right, and center bemoan the job the government is doing. Congress has about a 12 % approval rating. This proves how EVERYBODY is disgusted with government. So think about, the Government is doing a lousy job, nobody is happy with it, YET THE PLAN AND HOPE BY THOSE ON THE LEFT IS TO GIVE MOOOOORE POWER AND CONTROL TO THE GOVERNMENT!!!! As Sheldon would say, in what universe does that make sense?

I know some of the hard core socialism believers think that it won't work til every last soul on earth is under it's thumb. Welcome anti-christ.

I have a lot of problems with Ayn Rand. She was an atheist to the end. But her economic outlook is spot on:

 

RickyZ

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What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

Congress only has a 12% approval rating. Yet 90% of the people will vote to re-empower the very people they hate.

All of which is why if you vote either Democrat OR Republican in this next election, you are perpetrating the very frauds you rail against.

Had enough? Vote third party.
 
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3Scoreand10

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The problem with this attitude is that we are quickly eliminating the working class. We will soon only have the poor and the rich with no middle. How much can you tax poor people? They have no money to take! Rich people whine that they pay an unfair percentage of taxes, but fail to consider that once they eliminate the middle class they will pay 100% of the taxes because there will be no one else left to tax.
You missed my point.
If you raise the tax on the rich, they make that reduction in income by INCREASING the cost of living of the working/middle class.
In other words, they pass the buck. They pass that increased tax burden on in higher prices, lower wages, increased production, and in the end they still have as much wealth and sometimes more.

THEY AIN'T GOIN TO GIVE IT UP!