'Pedophilia is OK,' says Priest

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Viligant_Warrior

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I'm on 4 hours sleep, I just don't see how he could be saying anything else with that statement.
Just notice your avatar, James ...



Looks like Eric Hosmer's swing. Or Lorenzo Cain's. Hm ... even, on occasion, Paulo Orlando's. Royals fan? Yep, I is.
 
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James4redemption

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Just notice your avatar, James ...



Looks like Eric Hosmer's swing. Or Lorenzo Cain's. Hm ... even, on occasion, Paulo Orlando's. Royals fan? Yep, I is.
Yeah I can see Hosmer and Cain definitely, even Pence kinda..

But a Royals fan?...oh man I don't think you'd like me lol

Grew up in Northern California :eek:...Good luck to you guys this year though.
 
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James4redemption

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Well, yeah, one might have something to do with the other :) Right wrong or indifferent, go get some sleep!


You ever look at a straight line and see two more...haha
 
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This is one area we definitely don't agree on because we are not called to be judge and executioner of others for the sins they have done. The bible even clearly warns on making such judgments on another as it says we will face the same judgment we put on others !!!
I respect what you're saying but I'm coming at it from a different angle. I believe in protecting innocence by any means necessary. A dead predator is no predator at all.
 
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Well, see..... there's the problem... and the reason I had such a tough task for years, and many still do. People talk big, but they do nothing. It is the laws "good citizens" vote for that allow them back on the street, where people like me and certain law enforcement are stuck with trying to do the real, effectual protection of our children.... And we have been doing it under circumstances the "good public" has made almost impossible to work in.
I'm not talking big; I'm stating what should be. There should be death row express lanes for pedophiles as well ass a whole laundry list of other dangerous deviants.
 
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Excellent credentials. Willie I think he's got us here, that's an impressive display of diplomas he has on the wall. Honestly, my hat's off to you Vigilant as you have obviously put a lot of time and effort into this area. Yeah that's good enough ! :)

This reminds me of a woman who was here some time back, went by the handle Zone. Incredibly intelligent, incredibly studied. I sat in on her 'lectures' often, I rarely agreed with her conclusions, but that didn't mean she didn't teach some truths along the way. Incredibly intelligent, incredibly studied.

And incredibly life-inexperienced. The lack of her experience in so many things led her to conclude they didn't exist. And of course her belief that they did not exist hindered her ever experiencing them. I tried everything I could to break her of that cycle, but alas she held her position like a marine holds a hill. She'd rather die fighting than be open to anything different.

I'm not saying that's what's happening here, and I don't have a bunch of diplomas on my wall, but I've seen what Willie's seen and yes while it's not a big number it does happen. I just hope that the diplomas on your wall don't block the view out your window. They can, some times, you know.

God bless you for the work you have done. Yes it is very much good enough and I pray Lord that it continues for a long time!
Ricky, what is it about 17 years of practice that you don't understand?
 
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Just notice your avatar, James ...



Looks like Eric Hosmer's swing. Or Lorenzo Cain's. Hm ... even, on occasion, Paulo Orlando's. Royals fan? Yep, I is.
Pittsburgh and Kansas City here. :cool:
 
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I'm not talking big; I'm stating what should be. There should be death row express lanes for pedophiles as well ass a whole laundry list of other dangerous deviants.
Sorry everyone for the typo in the second line. Supposed to be, "as".
 

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Somehow, even mis-spelled it fits!
 

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Ricky, what is it about 17 years of practice that you don't understand?
What I don't understand is how people can skim things and think they got it all down pat. Read my posts with understanding or please don't read them at all.
 
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What I don't understand is how people can skim things and think they got it all down pat. Read my posts with understanding or please don't read them at all.
I read your posts quite thoroughly, and with great respect. If I didn't respect you I would not do so. I stand by my words and question regarding VW's 17 years experience -- in the trenches nonetheless.
 
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kaylagrl

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When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for us to accept some simple, basic facts.... then we have to accept them.

1.) Children need attention.
2.) Parents sometimes neglect that need.
3.) In this fallen world, perverts do exist.
4.) The two, children and perverts, will find each other.
5.) Despite it not being ideal, children will gravitate toward an adult showing them the affection they crave.

Yes, I do think a certain degree of responsibility falls back on the parents. There is just no way to avoid that.


Certainly if there is abuse or neglect it rests on the parents.But sometimes its as simple as a divorce with one parent trying to work and be both parents that leave a child vulnerable. But the person taking advantage over the situation and the abusing the child takes 100% of the blame. The fact that priests did so much abusing of children angers me even more because not only did the take the innocence of the child but they many times destroyed their faith in God. I have no children but I have two nephews and if I ever found out they were abused in this way...heaven help the person who took advantage of them. I cannot say what I would do.
 

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I read your posts quite thoroughly, and with great respect. If I didn't respect you I would not do so. I stand by my words and question regarding VW's 17 years experience -- in the trenches nonetheless.
VW was purporting that none of these people ever change from their ways (and if I misunderstood that I apologize). I was just trying, in as respectful a way that I could, to inform him that was not true. I wasn't really comparing him with Zone, none the less the situation reminded me of her. That's why I prefaced the summation with 'I'm not saying that's what's going on here...', and just put it out there as a gentle reminder to all that sometimes book smarts get in the way of street smarts. And that's why I made sure to end it all with sincere kudos to his work, so he would not feel I was trying to slight him in any way.

Now, as to why you didn't glean any of that out of my post I don't know. I would have thought that a thorough reading of my words would have conveyed the above to you, but it didn't. I can only assume that our head butting in other threads predisposed you to not capture the understanding of my words, but again that's only an assumption and I realize those too can be faulty.

No harm no foul, I hope.
 
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KennethC

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I respect what you're saying but I'm coming at it from a different angle. I believe in protecting innocence by any means necessary. A dead predator is no predator at all.
Well I am coming from the angle of the Lord our God's own words from Jesus who said we are to show LOVE, MERCY, and FORGIVENESS to all people !!!

His way and angle should be all that matters, not what society or man's way has lead us growing up...............
 
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I respect what you're saying but I'm coming at it from a different angle. I believe in protecting innocence by any means necessary. A dead predator is no predator at all.
In actuality, you have protected no one if you did not stop the violation BEFORE it happened. All you are really doing is satisfying a desire for vengeance.

Have you read my "six-years, and it's right back like it used to be." comment?
 
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Certainly if there is abuse or neglect it rests on the parents.But sometimes its as simple as a divorce with one parent trying to work and be both parents that leave a child vulnerable. But the person taking advantage over the situation and the abusing the child takes 100% of the blame. The fact that priests did so much abusing of children angers me even more because not only did the take the innocence of the child but they many times destroyed their faith in God. I have no children but I have two nephews and if I ever found out they were abused in this way...heaven help the person who took advantage of them. I cannot say what I would do.
Try not to go off half-cocked just because you saw the word, "neglect". I wasn't saying that, at all. I said "parents sometimes neglect that need." That means they failed to see or fulfill that need in their child.
 
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KennethC

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Try not to go off half-cocked just because you saw the word, "neglect". I wasn't saying that, at all. I said "parents sometimes neglect that need." That means they failed to see or fulfill that need in their child.
Not to derail but I understand your point as I know a woman who had 4 kids from a marriage they no longer are in, and their real father never paid any attention to them hardly at all.

He thought working and sending child support was good enough !!!

I sat down and asked all four of them the oldest being 16 what would they rather have in their life:

A) Would they rather have the money keep coming so they could have all those toys and things they wanted and not continue to not see their dad.

or

B) Not have the money, toys, and other things and instead see their dad a lot more often.


All 4 of them choose B over A !!!
 
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VW was purporting that none of these people ever change from their ways.
They don't. They like what they like, period. Assuming you're not gay, would you sleep with men because the law no longer permitted sleeping with women? Rhetorical question, we know the answer.
 
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KennethC

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They don't. They like what they like, period. Assuming you're not gay, would you sleep with men because the law no longer permitted sleeping with women? Rhetorical question, we know the answer.
This has been handled by two of us that have done ministry and dealt personally with these people, they do not all continue to remain that way. To state that and say they don't takes away from the working power of the Holy Spirit, as all things is possible for God and He has changed some and straightened them out.

Society would have you believe they don't change !!!