The Insanity and the Hypocrisy

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This story is all over the news. Just about everyone on FB is posting about Harambe the gorilla and his "murder". I didn't hear about this till later in the weekend. The details still seem a bit fuzzy. So far Ive managed to ascertain that a little boy got away from his mother, got under a rail and fell off a cliff into the gorilla enclosure. The gorilla pulled the boy through the water and fearing for the childs life zoo workers put the gorilla down. Clue me in if I missed something.

So I popped in on FB and see all these memes about this "murdered" gorilla. People are outraged that the animal was killed. They blame the mother and say it was her fault and want her charged. There is a petition on Change.org signed by 100,000 people called "Justice for Harambe". Now I admit I was raised old fashioned compared to how people think today but I cannot get my mind around this. First off if you have children you know how fast they move. Take eyes off them for a moment and they're gone. I read that the mother had several children in her care. Secondly,this was an animal,not a person. You kill an animal,you murder a person. The childs life was in danger, that was the call that the zoo keepers made. So,ok, sad that a gorilla died. But people are mourning this like it was a human being. Seriously?!

We have a petition for a blasted gorilla and no one has said anything about the girl that was strangled in a Chicago bathroom by a man. I dont see anyone outraged. I didn't see it all over FB. Barely saw it on the news. No one is talking about it around the cooler at work. Why not? Is an animal more important than a child?! There is silence because transgender is a PC issue. The danger of men faking transgender and harming women and children doesn't count because its more important that a transgender isn't embarrassed when going to the restroom. Am I the only one who sees this as insanity?! That a gorilla is more important than the safety of a child. That being PC is more important than the safety of women and children.They have no problem with abortion,but dont "murder" a gorilla. Unbelievable what this country has come to. Ive been holding this in but when I saw all the "poor innocent gorilla" memes on FB today I lost it. I think I was born in the wrong generation. smh I dont understand it.
I think people just like to be outraged by obscure things, in an attempt to show they are somehow more deep and less mainstream by being affected by things 'no one else is'.
If that zoo had done nothing and the gorilla killed the child, then i believe we would see outrage that the child wasn't protected properly for the sake of some animal.
People just want to be offended and make noise and pretend they are relevant and important by stirring up things, not because of right and wrong, but because they have nothing more important in their lives to focus on. It makes them feel more important and righteous to attack anyone and everyone who makes a mistake, such as a child getting away from a parent. I don't think people are has as concerned and offended as they like to pretend to be. I think they are just that desperate to feel like they are part of something.
We live in an increasingly isolated world (despite the internet) and people will latch on to anything to alleviate that isolation, even if it's in the smallest manner. Fitting in feels good.
 
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I wish people would shut off the tv and quit being manipulated.
 

PennEd

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The eyewitness account says that the mother wasn't negligent. I dont have kids but I have two nephews. They can move,fast! One minute they are there and the next,gone. I try to keep eyes on them at all times,but I cannot,no one can.My husband and I took them to our local park that only has ducks but its close to the road. They are 8 and 10 and I still was constantly telling them to stay in sight,don't go near the road etc. Finally my husband said " sweetie they are boys, you have to let them play,calm down". To which I said "they aren't getting injured or killed on my watch!". But accidents happen and this was an accident,simple as that.

My son was 4 or 5 when he slipped away unnoticed at Toys r Us yrs ago. It was the worst 8 minutes of my life. This is indicative of a society that MUST assign blame and value animal life over human life.
 
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Shortly after my post i came across this, and it proves my point exactly.

Turns out there was an outrage, not only over killing the gorilla, but that it was a 'white privilege' issue about killing the gorilla to save a 'white child'. So now the shooting has also become a race issue. But there's one problem. It's a black child. From an all black family.
Just shows you, people don't really Care about anything, they just want to complain and stir up trouble.
Parents of the little boy, Michelle and Deonne Dickerson.
 
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MadParrotWoman

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When my eldest son was a toddler - around 2 I guess and my second was a small baby - 6 months old perhaps, I was out shopping with my husband and children. We ran into a work colleague/friend of my husband's. I remember speaking to my eldest son and then looking up to join the conversation with the friend, it was momentarily, I looked down to say something else to my son who I thought was holding my husband's hand but in that moment he had vanished into a crowd of shoppers. I was panic stricken as there was a river running alongside the shops. We frantically searched for him for what seemed like forever and after informing 2 nearby policemen we eventually found him sitting on a bench between an elderly couple deep in conversation with them and completely unaware of the commotion he had inadvertently caused. I remember being so upset that I had to forget about the shopping trip and just go home - I was mentally exhausted!

To anyone who has never had children, you cannot understand how easy these things happen to the best of us and for those who do have children and are pointing the finger of blame at the parents, I pray that you never have to be in a position to understand.
 
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some of us who are 'old-school', have a profound, intense, inborn protective layer
that we were gifted with by our Holy Father and naturally obey this gift of instinct to
protect/die, for our family/off-spring/brethren,,,we will never compromise as opposed
to those who sacrifice...

read your Bible, the particulars are recorded ...
 
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GAOH

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What a fluster. What in the Fukushima is going on in the world!
 
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I was mentally exhausted!

To anyone who has never had children, you cannot understand how easy these things happen to the best of us and for those who do have children and are pointing the finger of blame at the parents, I pray that you never have to be in a position to understand.
100% The incident with the gorilla is 100% the zoo's fault. Children run off and do stupid things, that is why you have the term age of responsibility. Zoos are for kids to go ahhhh at animals, and if possible poke and stroke the safe ones.
We child proof homes, put in stair gates, watch them like hawks and they still get hurt. A zoo by attracting kids makes a contract to keep them safe. They failed.

The sad thing is the gorilla probably meant no harm. Some have been able to teach sign language to gorillas, so it is more a question of communication and understanding or in this case lack of it. So I understand why they killed to gorilla, but the whole situation with zoos and their reason for existance is also a mess.
 
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Do any kids listen well? Especially boys? The childs life was saved,thats all that matters.
uh...I've known many children who listened well

really

I disagree that saving the child's life is ALL that matters and I am not sure why you would post that to me? I am pretty sure I didn't say the gorilla should have come first

personally, I don't think the child's life was in grave danger, but I guess one would have to know something about the behavior of silverbacks

at any rate, of course you choose the child...any time, day or place...

I'm not sure why you think no children listen well ...
 
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Shortly after my post i came across this, and it proves my point exactly.

Turns out there was an outrage, not only over killing the gorilla, but that it was a 'white privilege' issue about killing the gorilla to save a 'white child'. So now the shooting has also become a race issue. But there's one problem. It's a black child. From an all black family.
Just shows you, people don't really Care about anything, they just want to complain and stir up trouble.
Parents of the little boy, Michelle and Deonne Dickerson.

stupidity and ignorance have reached an all time high

obviously, it was a black and white issue...it's just sad all the way round

rabble rousers are gonna rabble
 
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I wish people would shut off the tv and quit being manipulated.

I can hardly stand to watch the news these days

and you have a point

even so, it's prob facebook that has everyone leaping 3 feet off the ground...I can hardly stand facebook either LOL!...just stay in touch with a few people...
 
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kaylagrl

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uh...I've known many children who listened well

really

I disagree that saving the child's life is ALL that matters and I am not sure why you would post that to me? I am pretty sure I didn't say the gorilla should have come first

personally, I don't think the child's life was in grave danger, but I guess one would have to know something about the behavior of silverbacks

at any rate, of course you choose the child...any time, day or place...

I'm not sure why you think no children listen well ...


The child slipped away, children are known to do that,boys especially. Some kids listen,some dont. This one didn't. Kids do stupid things and their attention span is short. I wasn't making a particular point to you, it was an overall point, Ive said it all along. And yes,the safety of the child is all that matters.

Quote "personally, I don't think the child's life was in grave danger, but I guess one would have to know something about the behavior of silverbacks"

And there in lies the problem. Arm chair experts, and Im not trying to slam you. People are making comments about something they know nothing about. The following is from Jack Hanna,who actually worked at the Cinci Zoo at one time.He said he agreed 1000 % with the choice the zoo made. The child was in danger. A dart can take up to ten minutes or more to take effect on an animal that size and not only that it would only aggravate him further.

Jack Hanna defends Cincinnati Zoo's decision to kill gorilla
 
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The child slipped away, children are known to do that,boys especially. Some kids listen,some dont. This one didn't. Kids do stupid things and their attention span is short. I wasn't making a particular point to you, it was an overall point, Ive said it all along. And yes,the safety of the child is all that matters.

Quote "personally, I don't think the child's life was in grave danger, but I guess one would have to know something about the behavior of silverbacks"

And there in lies the problem. Arm chair experts, and Im not trying to slam you. People are making comments about something they know nothing about. The following is from Jack Hanna,who actually worked at the Cinci Zoo at one time.He said he agreed 1000 % with the choice the zoo made. The child was in danger. A dart can take up to ten minutes or more to take effect on an animal that size and not only that it would only aggravate him further.

Jack Hanna defends Cincinnati Zoo's decision to kill gorilla
kayla...you may not quite understand my post..I am simply addressing how sad it was all around...no words are going to change a thing


I know the facts...it's a sad story

it's obvious...you save the child...period and I know about tranqs

I can't help what others think or say...the whole thing has become so ridiculous that if there was anything good to come out of it, it has sailed off into the sunset a long time ago

people don't have lives anymore and it seems everyone is an expert

the real truth is, no one actually knows what the poor gorilla would have done re the tranq...and the only way to INSURE a safe outcome for the child was the choice that was made

I don't make comments I do not know anything about...

ps...what else would Jack Hanna have said? he said the expected thing and the intelligent thing to say under the circumstances
 
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kaylagrl

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kayla...you may not quite understand my post..I am simply addressing how sad it was all around...no words are going to change a thing


I know the facts...it's a sad story

it's obvious...you save the child...period and I know about tranqs

I can't help what others think or say...the whole thing has become so ridiculous that if there was anything good to come out of it, it has sailed off into the sunset a long time ago

people don't have lives anymore and it seems everyone is an expert

the real truth is, no one actually knows what the poor gorilla would have done re the tranq...and the only way to INSURE a safe outcome for the child was the choice that was made

I don't make comments I do not know anything about...

ps...what else would Jack Hanna have said? he said the expected thing and the intelligent thing to say under the circumstances

Pretty much agree with all you said. But I think Hanna would be straight forward with his answer. He strikes me as that type.
 
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Pretty much agree with all you said. But I think Hanna would be straight forward with his answer. He strikes me as that type.

I don't think I said otherwise

He is paid by zoos...he knows zoos...he said the expected thing as there was basically nothing else to do

hope that is clear :)
 

p_rehbein

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Uh, er, I'm guessing this is not the time to offer up some really tasty recipes for BBQ Gorilla right?
 
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Rosesrock

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This is what I posted on Facebook. It's all sad.

We will mourn the loss of a gorilla, but not praise the Lord for the safety of a child? Or mourn the loss of aborted children daily?
I'm not trying to start a controversial discussion, but it's obvious this world is seriuosly in need of direction.
 
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Rosesrock

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I'll add...... I couldn't care less about a gorilla and it's behaviors. The moment we are even debating the life of a human is disheartening and we're all in trouble.
 

p_rehbein

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