Two US TV journalists shot dead on air

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if you believe in god, then you can pray to god, of the living and the dead.

.9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Romans 14: Do Not Pass Judgment on One Another

a saviour that saves people that cant save them selfs, ie all who do believe,(us all) yet some call for judgement on an other. what part of grace, a gift is miss understood.

yet humanly i cant change what happen today. but you can pray and change the out come in heaven.
 
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The shooter, Vester Lee Flanagan, has been pronounced as dead at the hospital he's been sent to. Honestly, good...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wdbj7-reporter-alison-parker-photographer-adam-ward-killed-live-tv-n416221?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=425330373169251688391f7f3d6c2360
I'm not denying it's a sort of poetic justice that he's dead, but aren't you supposed to not say stuff like this? Where's the hope, faith and forgiveness? I mean, for all you know the guy could have a genuine mental illness. It certainly seems to me that a guy who shoots two people because he lost his job, isn't the most rational man out there, so I am able to have some level of understanding that isn't based on a pure need for vengeance, but you, you don't seem to be capable of that, and yet your profile says you're Christian. That scares me.

I've come across a lot of Christians who believe they shouldn't judge, they shouldn't be so swift to hand out sentences, so quick to get so angry that reason flies out the window. You're not like those Christians, so what kind of Christian are you? Scrap that, what kind of person are you? Are you the kind of person who believes in unfettered access to deadly weapons, but gets angry when a clearly irrational dude gets access to a gun and shoots two people in broad daylight? The kind of person who calls for his head but doesn't take a minute to think any of it through in a rational manner? it certainly seems that way, and if that's the kind of person you are, then what makes you any less crazy than him?

Do you think because you call for blood from your sofa, rather than from the butt-end of a rifle, that your bloodlust is any more sane than his is? Because I don't. I think knee jerk reactions to anything are reckless and stupid, and I think you need to grow up and use your brain. Three people are dead, and the solution in your mind is to glorify your own hatred for one of those people, yet fail to say anything at all constructive?

Well I hope you're really proud of yourself. But it's only going to keep happening, unless something is actually done about it. Railing on a dead guy is not something.
 
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I'm not denying it's a sort of poetic justice that he's dead, but aren't you supposed to not say stuff like this? Where's the hope, faith and forgiveness? I mean, for all you know the guy could have a genuine mental illness. It certainly seems to me that a guy who shoots two people because he lost his job, isn't the most rational man out there, so I am able to have some level of understanding that isn't based on a pure need for vengeance, but you, you don't seem to be capable of that, and yet your profile says you're Christian. That scares me.

I've come across a lot of Christians who believe they shouldn't judge, they shouldn't be so swift to hand out sentences, so quick to get so angry that reason flies out the window. You're not like those Christians, so what kind of Christian are you? Scrap that, what kind of person are you? Are you the kind of person who believes in unfettered access to deadly weapons, but gets angry when a clearly irrational dude gets access to a gun and shoots two people in broad daylight? The kind of person who calls for his head but doesn't take a minute to think any of it through in a rational manner? it certainly seems that way, and if that's the kind of person you are, then what makes you any less crazy than him?

Do you think because you call for blood from your sofa, rather than from the butt-end of a rifle, that your bloodlust is any more sane than his is? Because I don't. I think knee jerk reactions to anything are reckless and stupid, and I think you need to grow up and use your brain. Three people are dead, and the solution in your mind is to glorify your own hatred for one of those people, yet fail to say anything at all constructive?

Well I hope you're really proud of yourself. But it's only going to keep happening, unless something is actually done about it. Railing on a dead guy is not something.

If a person kills another, especially for no reason that were to be justified, then they should be given punishment for the lives they needlessly took. Doesn't the Bible suggest even in the Old Testament that if a man were to slaughter someone, then give the same exact treatment to them?

Anyway, I believe in Capital Punishment and that people should owe the same type of punishment that they have inflicted through their crimes on another. It doesn't matter what the motive was and never will be justified to take an innocent life that would still have been a price to pay in order to acknowledge such criminally exists to begin with. That's like letting a rapist into your home even though he has a criminal history of raping multiple women and children, while having a wife and children in your home. Because you 'sought forgiveness' for the man, does that permit for him to step foot in your door and allow him to be alone with your wife and children? Why let someone free in the state of the very surroundings of where he's committed the crime if that's what your version of forgiveness would be?

You can make assumptions and think what ever you really want. I'm not going to lose sleep if you really think that there's people, Christian or not, that believe punishment should be given in the same extent that they have committed. Especially since the shooter did in fact flaunt on social media of the acts he did, he deserves no remorse from common people. He did this to himself.
 
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These are very dangerous times we live in...
 

p_rehbein

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A tragic event carried out by a sick person. Prayers for the families, co-workers and friends of the victims. And prayers for the family of the guy who did this terrible thing.

The world has always been a dangerous place to live in. Since Cain slew Able.
 
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Tintin

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Omni, while mental illness provides understanding for this sort of tragedy, it should never be used as an excuse. Also, while I should take no joy in the death of the one who killed the two, the Bible does teach that a 'man' should be put to death for the death of another. That doesn't change with the New Covenant.
 

mailmandan

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I just finished watching the video of the shooting (what they were allowed to show) on Fox News. Very disturbing!
 

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I see people are finding a way to argue with one another and turn this to politics. Brothers and sisters, don't. Please. Just don't. It's not right. Two innocent people are dead. Just pray for their loved ones. Even the loved ones of the shooter himself. It's a tragedy. Let's not add baggage to it, please. Say your prayers and move on.
 

jsr1221

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This isn't about religious beliefs and the afterlife. It's injustice that was shown right on screen while racial tensions have been at an all time high and people refusing to acknowledge that what has been done IS a hate crime. Now people arguing over gun bans, thinking that this proves that our guns should be taken because of illegal gun owners. People who were going to work, doing what they had to do and hoped to return home by the end of the day caught on film in agony and shot to death. The first media shooting that has ever been recorded, too.
It actually is. Because a selfish person on Earth basically determined two people's fate eternally. It's a sad tragedy that may even be sadder. We don't know and won't know until our time.
 
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Dear Christian brothers and sisters,

Do you All believe Everything the various bureau's of propaganda show you on Television?
Do you not know how to be critical of this "world system" we live in through Discernment by the Holy Spirit?
Do you not Truly know and understand whom the "god" of this world system is?The Father of Lies!
Do you not know that 6 major (Satanic Worldly) corporations run 90% of all "news" Scripts that are read on air?That are printed?That are propagated in movies?Books?Music videos?All television?Magazines?All Television?
Do you not know that watching Television changes your brainwaves from Beta to Alpha?You become hypnotized, put in a trance, and you internalize all the lies and deception from the TV.
You are put under a Spell unless you are Awake and know it's all lies.

Do you not understand that Jesus-God said to test All things?He meant in This life, not the next!
[h=1]1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:[/h]Christian's you are All under a spell if you continually believe everything the liars and deceivers Show and Tell you on the "news" and in this world system.
You are ALL as Christians, suppose to Test, Check, Investigate, Determine on your Own( by the Spirit of Truth), Prove, Rebuke, Exhort...Truth from Lies.
[h=1]2 Corinthians 4:4[/h]In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Your minds are All blinded to believe all the Non-Sense on the news, without you even investigating it on your own and giving glory to God by doing so!
You shame the Spirit of Truth!
Most of you probably don't even know or realize that All modern "bibles" based on Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus are Luciferian, Gnostic, Catholic, New Age Non-Sense.These are the NIV, ESV, NRSV, ASV, Amplified, Good News, NKJV, The Message, HCSB, ISV, NASB, NRSB, etc, etc.
All theses works of Satan have added to, taken away, twisted and corrupted...the Word of God in English through King James by the Holy Spirit in 1611.Given to the whole world.
Revelation 22:18-19
[SUP]18[/SUP] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19[/SUP] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

If you don't realize this, like most Christians, then of course you believe all the lies of the Devil in his world system.
Right?
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
How can you Rightly Divide the Truth of the Word of God if you can't even discern the lies of this World System???
They are Very Obvious....

Apart from the Grace of God through and by Jesus Christ, you are No Different than all the sheeple waiting for their New Age "god" to show up who believe Everything told and shown to them by the controllers in power!Lies, lies lies from the Father of Lies!He runs this world system!
Wake UP Christian brother and sisters for the Time Is Short!
For those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
Many of you Will be deceived by the Devil's fake rapture event also.
Jesus Is the Way the Truth and the Life.
Be blessed in Jesus mighty name.
 

Desdichado

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All I have drawn from this, ladies and gents, as that we could be here one day and gone the next.

Life is too short and precious to go to bed in anger. If the shooter understood these truths, he and two other people would be alive.

Instead, he fell for lies, sin, and hatred. I pity him and mourn the deaths of those he killed.
 
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SaintInLight, a very small portion of what you say is true, but a lot of it is bollocks. I pity your small views of God and the your beliefs in the rubbish about the modern translations. We've all heard before ad nauseum. Goodbye.
 

Desdichado

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SaintInLight, a very small portion of what you say is true, but a lot of it is bollocks. I pity your small views of God and the your beliefs in the rubbish about the modern translations. We've all heard before ad nauseum. Goodbye.
I'm finished with reading lengthy online diatribes in general.

If I want to read War and Peace, I will pick up and read War and Peace.
 
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Tintin

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I apologise. I honestly don't know what came over me. I promise I really do know how to properly construct a sentence in English. ;-) Brother, I wholeheartedly agree. :)
 
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is this a christian web site. if you break one command, you break them all. that would be killing ,stealing, etc.
yet even jesus cured the sick and them that had demons , dont you think, he can do that to the dead.

so if you believe, your saved by grace, why do you think, its out side of faith to save the dead.

for example

did the two people deserve to be shot. so there is two that can say i dont belong here. or do you believe, that they should go to hell, for someone elses fault.( if unbeliever) and if the shooter , was a christian , then whats to stop him going to heaven.

my point ,spiritual and worldly points are different.

again a saviour that saves, you or me, is able to save, who he wants. and that includes the dead.
 
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I just finished watching the video of the shooting (what they were allowed to show) on Fox News. Very disturbing!
I couldnt watch the version the killer himself posted.I saw just the very beginning where he is holding the gun out and stopped it.I just couldn't watch it.Pure evil.
 
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is this a christian web site. if you break one command, you break them all. that would be killing ,stealing, etc.
yet even jesus cured the sick and them that had demons , dont you think, he can do that to the dead.

so if you believe, your saved by grace, why do you think, its out side of faith to save the dead.

for example

did the two people deserve to be shot. so there is two that can say i dont belong here. or do you believe, that they should go to hell, for someone elses fault.( if unbeliever) and if the shooter , was a christian , then whats to stop him going to heaven.

my point ,spiritual and worldly points are different.

again a saviour that saves, you or me, is able to save, who he wants. and that includes the dead.


What you are saying is against what the Bible teaches.I assume you are Catholic. A person cannot be saved after death,we have to make our choice while still here on earth.
 
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kaylagrl

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I'm not denying it's a sort of poetic justice that he's dead, but aren't you supposed to not say stuff like this? Where's the hope, faith and forgiveness? I mean, for all you know the guy could have a genuine mental illness. It certainly seems to me that a guy who shoots two people because he lost his job, isn't the most rational man out there, so I am able to have some level of understanding that isn't based on a pure need for vengeance, but you, you don't seem to be capable of that, and yet your profile says you're Christian. That scares me.

I've come across a lot of Christians who believe they shouldn't judge, they shouldn't be so swift to hand out sentences, so quick to get so angry that reason flies out the window. You're not like those Christians, so what kind of Christian are you? Scrap that, what kind of person are you? Are you the kind of person who believes in unfettered access to deadly weapons, but gets angry when a clearly irrational dude gets access to a gun and shoots two people in broad daylight? The kind of person who calls for his head but doesn't take a minute to think any of it through in a rational manner? it certainly seems that way, and if that's the kind of person you are, then what makes you any less crazy than him?

Do you think because you call for blood from your sofa, rather than from the butt-end of a rifle, that your bloodlust is any more sane than his is? Because I don't. I think knee jerk reactions to anything are reckless and stupid, and I think you need to grow up and use your brain. Three people are dead, and the solution in your mind is to glorify your own hatred for one of those people, yet fail to say anything at all constructive?

Well I hope you're really proud of yourself. But it's only going to keep happening, unless something is actually done about it. Railing on a dead guy is not something.
While you can pity a wasted life I cannot understand why this day in age everything has to be a disease.This man stocked and murdered two innocent people in cold blood.Then he posted the murder on twitter and facebook bragging on what he had done.This is not a mental illness,its evil,its demonic.I wish people would stop making excuses for the murders and focusing on them more than the victims. This man was a coward and he was evil.Stop making excuses.

Where is forgiveness? Where is the hope? For him,there is none.He allowed satan to take over his life.He walked away from grace and chose his path.The Bible talks about giving people over to a reprobate mind.So there is only justice left,which he is now receiving.A life for a life. He made the choice,no one made it for him.

Christians who say they shouldnt judge use that verse as a catch all and an excuse.It's twisted and misused.This man killed two innocent people in cold blood.Thats a fact,that is not judging.God has already judged murder as wrong.It annoys me that people use the judge not verse to allow any kind of sin,excuse it away.That is a false gospel.

Its nonsense to compare the want for justice for a cold blooded murder to the murderers bloodlust. That is pure nonsense.It is you who needs to grow up.If you were the family of the slain you'd want to see justice done.And the fact that he killed himself instead of living to have bleeding hearts give him a slap on the wrist and let him go,yes Id say justice was done.He stocked and killed two people,they will never marry,have children,have a future.He took that from them.He was evil,call it what it is!

You know why this will keep happening? Because we are so PC today we cant call sin sin.No one is evil,just ill.Hitler would have loved this PC generation.He wasn't pure evil he was just mentally ill. Its the go to excuse for everything today.No one is responsible for anything they do.They couldnt help it,they were sick.Ridiculous! He was well enough to stock these two people,he was well enough to plan their murders,he was well enough to patently wait before shooting them on live tv and he was well enough to post the sick,evil deed on social media and brag on it. Call it what is it EVIL! Stop focusing on the murderer and focus on the victims.He's gone to his reward.He took a path that led to death,sin is death.
 
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Applauds Kayla!!!