THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF CHRIST SHALL BE SAVED."
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The bold, I can show you scripture in quantities that you are to be made perfect on earth before you die.
I can show you that it's through works you are made perfect.
NOBODY SAID YOU CAN WORK YOUR WAY TO PERFECTION. that's a tangent for another thread and another person.
You can't work your way to "perfection" or maturity, but it's through works you are made mature/perfect.
Why you would impose a focus on rules, and Hebrew rules at that, when the Church Christ established is of an order that existed before the hebrew people.
That's just not making any sense. I guess it makes you feel good about your faith, same as the kJV only people feel holier when they speak with thees and thous.
In the Church there is neither jew nor gentile. Yet you and what's his name take every effort to impose hebrew words/ names/spellings etc... into the discussion.
WHY after we know the church is to be before the gentiles and jews existed, do you impose jewish beliefs and laws into the picture. :|
So, you have two of every animal in your house? Does your local constabulary know this?
MELCHIZEDEK was the HIGH PRIEST of that time. DO you contend He really wasn't, scripture lies and Noah was?
That's pretty interesting, you just get weirder and weirder.
Have you ever heard the name melchizedek before? I mean you've run from that point of scripture all through this chat. To the point of being very dishonest, because the second you address it, 9/10s of all your comments go out the door.
MELCHIZEDEK was priest before the jews existed. So if Christ's Church is as Mel's was, which is what scripture says, how do you figure the jewish laws + the command to own two of every animal, applies to his church with no jews or gentiles?
Tell me something else.
If you love neighbor, and God, as God does, what possible sin could you commit?
You are DELUSIONAL.
First Melchizedek, is "the king of rightousness and peace"
So do I have 2 of every animal? What??? is something wrong with your brain???
Who said anything about Noah being a priest????
Noah knew clean from unclean and the Sriptures SHOW THAT, so for Noah to know the difference there had to be "rules" in Noah's day.
First Melchizedek, is "the king of rightousness and peace"
So do I have 2 of every animal? What??? is something wrong with your brain???
Who said anything about Noah being a priest????
Noah knew clean from unclean and the Sriptures SHOW THAT, so for Noah to know the difference there had to be "rules" in Noah's day.
lets look at the beginning : the sabath :Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. lets look at the future kingdom :
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. now God's laws are eternal but the levitical law the law of moses is a differrent routine the priesthood being changed so were the laws to the first eternal righteousness in wich all heavens and earth were established i studied the law fully also the prophets the eternsal law of the Spirit of God's righteousness all ill say is study show yourself aproved and let the purity of christ abide in you like a prisoner iof christ i remain his forever in joy
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. lets look at the future kingdom :
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. now God's laws are eternal but the levitical law the law of moses is a differrent routine the priesthood being changed so were the laws to the first eternal righteousness in wich all heavens and earth were established i studied the law fully also the prophets the eternsal law of the Spirit of God's righteousness all ill say is study show yourself aproved and let the purity of christ abide in you like a prisoner iof christ i remain his forever in joy
no my brother i believe in sanctity through christ and that nothing unclean shall enter the kingdom of heaven but i will say this untill we come to a full understanding and chose to go astray that is when we are in sin the thief on the cross did not have a full understanding but the grace of christ saved him but when a person comes to a FULL UNDERSTANDING IN CHRIST AND CHOSE TO DO THE OPPOSITE THERE IS THE SIN but we have christ to advocate for us so we must repent meaning just not a confesion but a full repaentance it means a renwing of spirit of God"s spirit all we have to do is ask and it shall be given and let the spirit prayer strengthen you in that quickening of empowerment
my brother i believe in sanctity through christ and that nothing unclean shall enter the kingdom of heaven but i will say this untill we come to a full understanding and chose to go astray that is when we are in sin the thief on the cross did not have a full understanding but the grace of christ saved him but when a person comes to a FULL UNDERSTANDING IN CHRIST AND CHOSE TO DO THE OPPOSITE THERE IS THE SIN but we have christ to advocate for us so we must repent meaning just not a confesion but a full repaentance it means a renwing of spirit of God"s spirit all we have to do is ask and it shall be given and let the spirit prayer strengthen you in that quickening of empowerment
You don't track conversations very well, do you.... Is there something I can do to help you out?
As is anyone who disagrees with you, I'm sure.
High Priest to God Most High. and the King of Peace. Those are His Titles.
The Christ's church is after his order.
There were no jews with Melchizedek, and in Christ there are no jews or gentiles.
So your demanding the use of jewish names/spelling etc... and Jewish laws, and being so pharisitically loud mouthed about it, is against prophecy, psalm 110, and Christ's Church. By definition that makes your actions Anti Christ. All of the Anti christs mentioned in the Bible, really thought they were doing the right thing for God. I don't know how to help you but try to show scripture, and have you discuss it until you change your mind or me mine, or both of us change some and get to agreements. I do know your constant ranting isn't getting anywhere.
You said Noah had the laws. The laws Paul discussed had nothing to do with Noah. They were the Levitical laws. The only laws Noah received were build the ark, load the critters, and open the doors to let them go. SO if you want to obey Noah's laws, do you have two of every critter?
WHo said chocolate cake was better than vanilla! That's the same person that said anything about Noah being a priest. I don't' see it anywhere in the chat. I"m tired so I could be missing something. Here's a real chance to show me out and put me in my place, where did someone say something about Noah being a priest?
But, you don't know what Noah knew was clean or unclean. There was no laws at the time for Him to use. Whatever God directed him to eat or not eat isn't mentioned is it?
Show me the "law" of God on what was clean and unclean.
Further, and this will not be tracked by you if previous parts of this chat is a sign, but I"ll really try.
Christ's Church is as Mel's before Jews and the law.
Paul/Peter teach it's not about what you eat.
If that is the rule in Christ's Church, being OF THE ORDER OF MEL's church, then Mel's church could eat without restriction as well.
The laws that were done away with, according to Paul were the laws dealing with circumcision required to join them on an individual basis.
The point is, it's not about what you can do, but how you grow and thus live.
You are all about what you can do.
Paul says you' have kicked grace to the curb with your approach.
So, my question earlier somewhere, why do you turn your back on Christ's Church for this bastardized (not a profane word, look it up), version of the Jewish faith? Who are you trying to improve, God or other men, with your act?
God isn't gonna be fooled. So I hope you listen and consider you could be wrong and try to work through these arguments of mine, rather than ignore them as you have so far, and dance all over the place.
Be well, and good studies.
As is anyone who disagrees with you, I'm sure.
High Priest to God Most High. and the King of Peace. Those are His Titles.
The Christ's church is after his order.
There were no jews with Melchizedek, and in Christ there are no jews or gentiles.
So your demanding the use of jewish names/spelling etc... and Jewish laws, and being so pharisitically loud mouthed about it, is against prophecy, psalm 110, and Christ's Church. By definition that makes your actions Anti Christ. All of the Anti christs mentioned in the Bible, really thought they were doing the right thing for God. I don't know how to help you but try to show scripture, and have you discuss it until you change your mind or me mine, or both of us change some and get to agreements. I do know your constant ranting isn't getting anywhere.
You said Noah had the laws. The laws Paul discussed had nothing to do with Noah. They were the Levitical laws. The only laws Noah received were build the ark, load the critters, and open the doors to let them go. SO if you want to obey Noah's laws, do you have two of every critter?
WHo said chocolate cake was better than vanilla! That's the same person that said anything about Noah being a priest. I don't' see it anywhere in the chat. I"m tired so I could be missing something. Here's a real chance to show me out and put me in my place, where did someone say something about Noah being a priest?
But, you don't know what Noah knew was clean or unclean. There was no laws at the time for Him to use. Whatever God directed him to eat or not eat isn't mentioned is it?
Show me the "law" of God on what was clean and unclean.
Further, and this will not be tracked by you if previous parts of this chat is a sign, but I"ll really try.
Christ's Church is as Mel's before Jews and the law.
Paul/Peter teach it's not about what you eat.
If that is the rule in Christ's Church, being OF THE ORDER OF MEL's church, then Mel's church could eat without restriction as well.
The laws that were done away with, according to Paul were the laws dealing with circumcision required to join them on an individual basis.
The point is, it's not about what you can do, but how you grow and thus live.
You are all about what you can do.
Paul says you' have kicked grace to the curb with your approach.
So, my question earlier somewhere, why do you turn your back on Christ's Church for this bastardized (not a profane word, look it up), version of the Jewish faith? Who are you trying to improve, God or other men, with your act?
God isn't gonna be fooled. So I hope you listen and consider you could be wrong and try to work through these arguments of mine, rather than ignore them as you have so far, and dance all over the place.
Be well, and good studies.
Grace, which is the first step to being "born again". Born again I find well described in Romans 6:22, Gal 5:16 Romans 8:9. Also 1 John 3.
And no, it's not about keeping yourself from sinning.
Here's the thing you won't like me to say,,, or will feel I'm heretical. Christ didn't come just to save our sorry butts. That's not even the biggest reason he came.
Once people realize there is more than being saved, and the Church stops teaching God is a Fascist, people can come home and grow.
I didn't call you names. I didn't hurl an insult to you. You are being dense. You are asking for scripture for something that can't happen, just like someone saying Automobiles can't exist because it's not in the Bible.
I've explained it to the point, you must deliberately trying to not hear/listen, get the picture.
If I hurl an "insult" at you, it will be much more fun, funny, and impactful than "dense".
Why do people cry foul and try to whine about being name called, when only their behavior is named and not their person. Where I grew up in Red Neck, small town Texas, they taught us, if you don't like what someone says about you, change the behavior so they don't say it anymore. In other words, "if you don't wanna be called a lazy drunk, get a job and stop drinking". That was for examples only, I'm not implying anyone is lazy or a drunk there.
I've explained it to the point, you must deliberately trying to not hear/listen, get the picture.
If I hurl an "insult" at you, it will be much more fun, funny, and impactful than "dense".
Why do people cry foul and try to whine about being name called, when only their behavior is named and not their person. Where I grew up in Red Neck, small town Texas, they taught us, if you don't like what someone says about you, change the behavior so they don't say it anymore. In other words, "if you don't wanna be called a lazy drunk, get a job and stop drinking". That was for examples only, I'm not implying anyone is lazy or a drunk there.