What is Antichrist? How could America be mystery babylon? Bible or Quran?

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gocardinals25

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I believe rome is the religios branch, the EU is the economic (central bank) branch, and the USA is the military branch.
there is way to much for me to post here, if you watch that video and my Revelation 1-4 studies you may find some interesting stuff? Hizikyah YHWH - YouTube
and RIFD is the way to enforce but not the actual mark.

Revelation 13:11, "And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon." v13"And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

"makes fire come down from heaven"

WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN
What would you consider worshipping the beast?
 

Hizikyah

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Genesis 11:7, "Come now! I will go down, and there I will confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."



THIS IS THE EU parliment building

 
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gocardinals25

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I don't know about all that I just believe that America is Mystery Babylon as in multitudes of people,different nationalities,different languages,sinful lifestyle that has spilled over into other countries, hammer of the whole earth, even mentions turning on our heritage (seperation of church and state,legalizing gay marriage, church is 2 hours of songs and 30 minutes of preaching it seems,abortions,sexual immorality) I think it is more of a get what you put in sort of situation because we have been blessed as a nation
 

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I don't know about all that I just believe that America is Mystery Babylon as in multitudes of people,different nationalities,different languages,sinful lifestyle that has spilled over into other countries, hammer of the whole earth, even mentions turning on our heritage (seperation of church and state,legalizing gay marriage, church is 2 hours of songs and 30 minutes of preaching it seems,abortions,sexual immorality) I think it is more of a get what you put in sort of situation because we have been blessed as a nation
i do think US is a or even the key componet, but when you look into the "unofficail" story of the founding of this country, Jesuits, Templars, Masons, the banking cartels that funded BOTH side of the american civil war, and both sides of the napoleonic war vs britian, and imperialisim, and on and on i think there is more to it, im not saying i know all of it because I dont believe i do, but you know who controls our presidents? guys like zbigniew brzezinski and henry kissinger, rockefellars that have all been calling for world govt, D.Rockefeller book memorios pg 403? he says he is part of a plan to overthrow US sovernty and usher in global governance, PS his dad donated the land the UN building was built on in NY.... i could go on, but..
 

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"In early times, it was easier to control a million people, literally it was easier to control a million people than physically to kill a million people. Today, it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than to control a million people. It is easier to kill than to control."

Zbigniew Brzezinski aka puppetmaster of US presidents J.Carter and B.Obama
 
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gocardinals25

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Does the bible say anything about having to belong to a church? Just wondering because I have read alot of the bible on my own seems like everytime I go to church it's just songs and hugs
 

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Does the bible say anything about having to belong to a church? Just wondering because I have read alot of the bible on my own seems like everytime I go to church it's just songs and hugs
i do think most chruches are under the spell of mystery babylon

the apostate system is called a mother of harlot: (mother churches and daughter churches)

Rev 17:5, "And upon her head was a name written: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF THE gHARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

lol there is prob better, but i cant think of any better verese off the top of my head, but loyal followers are called virgins or:

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Are you referring the old babylon as the worlds largest importer & exporter? The hammer of the whole earth? It literally lists every item imported and exported that is the silliest interpretation I have been hearing. You think it is an ego trip to think that God is angry at your country? Alright..
God is no more angry with america and her sin than he is with any other nation.

You just proved tin tin's point. By holding your nation over other nations. Why do americans do this? I am one, and I do not think to highly of my nation.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Does the bible say anything about having to belong to a church? Just wondering because I have read alot of the bible on my own seems like everytime I go to church it's just songs and hugs
lol. You will find that oversees.

It is not america your angry with, its the church, we should all be angry with it. And find a church which does not do it. I have found many.. You should look.
 
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doulos

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I believe it is talking about America and I believe it is talking about now, not later
You keep saying that, but what Scriptural proof do you offer? How can the following verse be applied to America?

Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

For Babylon to contain the blood of all slain upon the earth she would have to exist from the time Cain slew Abel until the last person to be slain upon this earth to be slain before Christ's return is slain. Did America exist when Cain murdered Abel? If not then how can America contain the blood of Abel?

My friend for Babylon to contin the blood of all slain upon the earth she must exist from the time Cain murdered Abel on into our future. She must also be able to include all locations where murder occurs. In other words she cannot be constrained by time or location or she coud not contain the blood of all that were slain upon the earth. There is no literal city or any one religion that can meet these requirements. It is our duty to reconcile all of Scripture not just pick and choose the ones that fit our doctrines. Will you please show us how America contains the blood of ALL that were slain upon the earth from Abel on into our future when the last person to be slain is slain?
 
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Babylon is the beast system that enslaves the world through division and fear. It is ridden upon by a harlot or earthly wisdom.

I ask what keeps a homeless man from freely receiving one of the 6 empty homes he has to choose from? Anything other than giving these homes away is an answer based in earthly wisdom, upholding a beast system.
 
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Saved_Forever

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The bible says that you are not able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast , I think it is referring to a one world economy
OK. I have a question for you. You are a Christian. Tell me about the mark you received. When did you get it?
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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OK. I have a question for you. You are a Christian. Tell me about the mark you received. When did you get it?
Isn't the Christian mark a special mark on the forehead, while the beast mark everyone should receive in the right hand or forehead? God can see the hearts of all men, but I doubt the devil's minions are so perceptive. So I can understand the position that the devil's mark is physical, but God's mark is not.
 
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Tintin

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Does the bible say anything about having to belong to a church? Just wondering because I have read alot of the bible on my own seems like every time I go to church it's just songs and hugs
Your church doesn't have a message/sermon/teaching time?
 
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Saved_Forever

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Isn't the Christian mark a special mark on the forehead, while the beast mark everyone should receive in the right hand or forehead? God can see the hearts of all men, but I doubt the devil's minions are so perceptive. So I can understand the position that the devil's mark is physical, but God's mark is not.
Did you read the entire section describing the mark we get in Rev 9? This mark is obviously not a physical mark yet every believer has one! Remember, the book of Revelation is a book describing visions. Each item has a specific name to it. Call it a coded message that requires history to unfold to understand it. For instance, if the abomination of desolation is referring to a temple, the antichrist or whatever, why didn't the Bible just say so in the first place? Why all the confusion and mystery? That also goes for the stars, candlesticks, dragon, flood, sea, beast and the locusts!

Since you have a mark on your forehead as specified in Rev 9 and the locusts are not allowed to harm you in any way, this particular mark is a spiritual mark. It is described as a mark indicating where your heart stands or better yet, where your allegiance is. Do you have allegiance to Jesus or not? If not, then the locusts of Rev 9 have free reign to harm you but not kill you. Remember, this is only a vision, just like the horses and the rest of it. It doesn't mean there will be actual horses and actual locusts doing this and that!

Rev 13:16-17, 14:9-11, 16:2, 19:20 and 20:4 contain references of the mark of the beast. There is nothing super top secret about this mark as compared to your mark for they too can have the mark of the beast in their foreheads too, just like your mark that is on your forehead being a believer. This too is classified as an allegiance mark as to who they are loyal to! What does their heart, mind and soul adhere to? Jesus or something else. It too is a spiritual mark! There will be no physical mark whatsoever!!! The Bible clearly states in the passages I quoted above, if you have the mark of the beast, you go to hell for you are worshiping the beast, his image and his name. That is the mark you left to be seen, spiritually!

God doesn't need a microchip to determine who you are! He's been in this business forever and He's very good at it too! ;)
 

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Scriptually speaking the mark of Yahweh is undisputible, problem is most the religious world calls what Yahweh says is HIS MARK, a curse......

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then
you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
 
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doulos

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Scriptually speaking the mark of Yahweh is undisputible, problem is most the religious world calls what Yahweh says is HIS MARK, a curse......

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a
*sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a
*sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a
*sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then
you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil.
Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Worshipping on Sunday instead of Saturday is not the seal of God that believers have. It always amazes me to see the hoops Saturday sabbath keepers will jump through to stand by the traditionally taught doctrines of men.

Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.