What is Antichrist? How could America be mystery babylon? Bible or Quran?

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gocardinals25

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#81
That is the problem with America right there lawlesness, they say "I walk alone"
 

Huckleberry

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Well let us be understanding of who exactly that deceiver of the world truly is,
Satan.
Thank you for clearing that up for me.
For your next trick, could you reveal the color of the sky?
 
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You cannot propose the source of the Quran is the Holy Bible, when 1 - Satan is not a fallen angel .. See the start of Isaiah 14 and chapter 13 in context. Modern day christians even get this wrong, but surely.. 2 Jesus is not your messiah and 3 we all go to a false hell if we don't accept the Quran where spirits and jihns torment us untill God deems us worthy.. 4 - The Quran and its Doctorine are TOTALLY different to what the Bible actually witholds in all source and accuracy. This "Source of our book is the bible" attitude can easily be misleading for those innocent enough to accept it without perusal, and should not be passed on to prove anything Right or Wrong.
Its a done deal.
 
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gocardinals25

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America has has become antichrist as God wrote in revelations 18,molded in Satans image proud,haughty,greedy,merciless,adulterers,fornicaters,lovers of money and inequity, they do not walk like Christ whatsoever, humble yourself, let Gods glory be your riches, pay all debts, do not steal, have loving grace like the son Jesus Christ for every nation and every person, obey Gods commandments,trust and FEAR God! [h=1]Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.[/h]Maybe even leave? Not sure how to interpret that verse
 
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America has has become antichrist as God wrote in revelations 18,molded in Satans image proud,haughty,greedy,merciless,adulterers,fornicaters,lovers of money and inequity, they do not walk like Christ whatsoever, humble yourself, let Gods glory be your riches, pay all debts, do not steal, have loving grace like the son Jesus Christ for every nation and every person, obey Gods commandments,trust and FEAR God!

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Maybe even leave? Not sure how to interpret that verse
Leaving America will do you no good. America is not Babylon. In order to understand Babylon we must reconcile all of Scripture not just pick and choose verses that support our view while tossing out those that don’t fit our view, How can the following verse be applied to America?
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Does America contain the blood of Abel? Or the prophet’s? How about those slain by the muslim’s during the 6[SUP]th[/SUP], 7[SUP]th [/SUP]and 8[SUP]th[/SUP] centuries when islam came close to eliminating Christianity? My friend if you want to understand Babylon you need to start looking for something that spans time from the time Cain murdered Abel until the last person to be slain upon this earth before Christ’s return is slain. No literal city (or country) contains the blood of ALL slain upon the earth. Therefore Babylon cannot be constrained by time or location, effectively eliminating America as Babylon.
 
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gocardinals25

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I believe it is talking about America and I believe it is talking about now, not later
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I believe it is talking about America and I believe it is talking about now, not later
That would be an odd interpretation.

It speaks of all time. Not just now. and not just later.

babylon has been killing the saints of God since it started in Babylon and spread to all the pagan kingdoms in OT times. it continued to kill saints of God in the NT and continues even till today.
 
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gocardinals25

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Think like God would think, the hammer of the whole earth? It may be referring to saints in 3rd world countries in terms of living right in the eyes of the Lord who have been slain in war as opposed to the rich & sinful American way of life, one thing Jesus made clear was that it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, even though America does not consider themself rich even the lowest paid American would be considered wealthy overseas
 
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Saved_Forever

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#89
Sura 86


الطارق

“Alttariqi”

“The Morning Star”

(Named in honor of the Biblical Jesus)




Sura 86 is compared to its most likely sources – i.e. Johns’ Gospel & Johns’ Book of Revelation.

In weaving this material together, the Koranic authors have tailor-made sura 86 to revolve completely around the Second Coming of the Biblical Jesus Christ. In fact, sura 86 is even named in honor of the Biblical Jesus Christ, as it plucks one of His attributes from the text – as do legions of other Koranic suras.

Among numerous other things, sura 86 undeniably confirms to us these key points:

• That Jesus was crucified until death upon the Cross
• That Jesus was singularly resurrected
• That Jesus will return on a cloud to judge the dead at His Second Coming & gather His Elect







Summary:

86.1 And/by the clouds, and/by the Morning Star. (Announces Jesus’ Second Coming, on a cloud)

86.2 And who told you what the Morning Star is? (Asks the question: Who Told John of Jesus Second Coming?)

86.3 The star, the brightly shining. (Answers the question: Jesus, the Bright Morning Star, tells John)

86.4 Indeed every soul gathers on its Guardian. (Jesus, the Guardian, gathers His souls)

86.5 So, the human looks upon that which was created the inner man. (The reason for the gathering of the souls: Jesus is viewed upon the Cross)

86.6 The inner man was created out of water pouring forth at once. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & death upon the Cross)

86.7 He emerges from amidst the Cross and the grave. Or…86.7 He emerges from between the backbone and the ribs. (Jesus’ Crucifixion & Resurrection)

86.8 Certainly Him above, He returned Him to the present state of existence after death, truly possessing power. (Jesus’ Singular Resurrection)

86.9 A day The Marriage will turn to its reality. (The First Resurrection)

86.10 So truly not His from strength and nor Savior. (The Second Death)

86.11 And/by the cloud, Lord of the return. (Jesus’ Second Coming on a cloud)

86.12 And/by the earth, Lord of the separation. (Jesus gathers His elect)

86.13 Truly His Word is Judgment. (Jesus is the Word which judges mankind)

86.14 And He is not with the vain. (The fall of Babylon the Great)

86.15 Truly them, they devise an artful device. (Satan’s war)

86.16 And I devise an artful device. (Jesus’ war)

86.17 So respite the disbelievers, respite them gently for a little while. (Repent to Jesus)
No Muslim believe Jesus himself died on the cross. Muslims believe he will return again. Yes. But he will destroy the Christians and Jews and establish a total Muslim belief structure for that is all that will be left in this world. Only Muslims. After that, Jesus will get married and about 40 or so years later he will die a normal death since he did not die the first time he came. He was plucked before the Roman soldiers got to him and this Allah put an unknown person in his place that no Muslim can tell who that was and thus, started the false religion of Christianity that Allah created KNOWING it was a fake and allowed it to grow for about 600 years.

Then, along came Muhammad. The ONLY prophet out of them all that knew the real story of Jesus. All the other prophets of the OT were told a lie about the Christianity view of Jesus, so, therefore, the Quran is the correct book and the Bible is a fake!

All that from one man (Muhammad) that corrected EVERY prophet, disciples and apostles of the entire Bible!

Wow.

That's what Islam believes, in a brief nutshell.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#90
Think like God would think, the hammer of the whole earth? It may be referring to saints in 3rd world countries in terms of living right in the eyes of the Lord who have been slain in war as opposed to the rich & sinful American way of life, one thing Jesus made clear was that it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, even though America does not consider themself rich even the lowest paid American would be considered wealthy overseas
I am thinking like God would think.

Who killed the prophets? Who killed the apostles? Who killed the many people who held onto the name of God and followed Christ?

Certainly not america. They were not even in existance yet.

Seems you are trying to hard to force scripture to fit your belief system. and not forcing your belief system to fit scripture.

Babylon in scripture means the harlot. A harlot is a false god or religious system. Not a nation. America is not a god. nor a religious system.
 
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2Thewaters

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Well then, you answered your own question Brother. Or were you asking the CC forum? If so, you just went straight in to the answer given by you. Normally if someone ask a question, they explain it by saying something, what's this? or that? and then offer the forum to give there own views or comments. God bless, Brother.

America is not mystery Babylon, because Mystery Babylon was existing in Johns time.

2 Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

It was working in Pauls day and would exist until Jesus returns until the end.

There is only one power in the world that has existed since Jesus until now, that is mystery Babylon

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:

women are always CHURCHES in the Prophecy.
Good women is God's church Bad women is Babylon or her daughters.

Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Beasts are always nations.
so there is a nation church that existed from JEsus until now she is a church and a nation both.

more clues

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,

so which church ruled over ten kings early in her career? ruled the world actually and also called herself by the save nation that existed ruling the earth when John was on Patmos?

a nation state church that has existed for two thousand years teaching all the other churches to ignore completely the Bible...
(wine of fornication)
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city!

Babylon is a nation (beast) a church(woman) and a CITY also built on 7 hills

know any cities built on 7 hills called ________?
the same as the emmoire name that ruled the earth when Jesus was alive?

its pretty clear

more about what she has...

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:


Know any churches whos color is SCARLET and PURPLE? who has massive churches of gold and pearls and artifacts of the saints for hundreds of years?

Martin Luther knew who it was right away.

He called him the anti-christ... he was right
 
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2Thewaters

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#92
Notice the last verse there?

Rev 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
Rev 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.


THis church sold SLAVES and SOULS of men
any church you know who after paying an indulgence they said the soul was released to wing its way to heaven?>
and its colors are purple and scarlet

read the whole chappter
it can only be one man
the one who
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sits in a temple
showing himself to be God
2 Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

In Pauls day that was augustus ceasar. in our day it is another name. still the very same empire.
Rome never fell, it just went into false religion.
Just read revelation through yourself, obvious.
The revelation seminars are all bogus they are dsigned to lead you away.
pray
start at revelation one and read to 22 and pray it is obvious.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
 
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gocardinals25

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#93
I have prayed and I believe it is America
 
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Tintin

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I have prayed and I believe it is America
Yes, but who too? America isn't the answer to everything. Babylon has been around much longer and better fits the given description. It's rather ego-centric of Americans to think the world, even a book written in the cradle of civilization, is purely about them.
 
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No Muslim believe Jesus himself died on the cross. Muslims believe he will return again. Yes. But he will destroy the Christians and Jews and establish a total Muslim belief structure for that is all that will be left in this world. Only Muslims. After that, Jesus will get married and about 40 or so years later he will die a normal death since he did not die the first time he came. He was plucked before the Roman soldiers got to him and this Allah put an unknown person in his place that no Muslim can tell who that was and thus, started the false religion of Christianity that Allah created KNOWING it was a fake and allowed it to grow for about 600 years.

Then, along came Muhammad. The ONLY prophet out of them all that knew the real story of Jesus. All the other prophets of the OT were told a lie about the Christianity view of Jesus, so, therefore, the Quran is the correct book and the Bible is a fake!

All that from one man (Muhammad) that corrected EVERY prophet, disciples and apostles of the entire Bible!

Wow.

That's what Islam believes, in a brief nutshell.
Unfortunately....islam is not the Koran.
 
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gocardinals25

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Yes, but who too? America isn't the answer to everything. Babylon has been around much longer and better fits the given description. It's rather ego-centric of Americans to think the world, even a book written in the cradle of civilization, is purely about them.
Are you referring the old babylon as the worlds largest importer & exporter? The hammer of the whole earth? It literally lists every item imported and exported that is the silliest interpretation I have been hearing. You think it is an ego trip to think that God is angry at your country? Alright..
 
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gocardinals25

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Hizikyah

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The bible says that you are not able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast , I think it is referring to a one world economy
I believe rome is the religios branch, the EU is the economic (central bank) branch, and the USA is the military branch.
there is way to much for me to post here, if you watch that video and my Revelation 1-4 studies you may find some interesting stuff? Hizikyah YHWH - YouTube
and RIFD is the way to enforce but not the actual mark.

Revelation 13:11, "And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon." v13"And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

"makes fire come down from heaven"

WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN