Capital punishment for or against ?

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

THIEF FROM THIEF DOES MAKE GOD LAUGH​

​Where's that verse?

 

[Jullianna]

It's a colloquialism.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

THIEF FROM THIEF DOES MAKE GOD LAUGH​

Repost, apologies.

 

[nathan3]

To the title,of the o.p., yes for.God set a rule, and Christ reafirmed it, that anyone that commits criminal homocide, that is murder, or rape, they must be put to death. Its written an there have been many threads documenting from scripture the fact.this is very much in effect today.

 

[directline2iam]

Two passages of Scripture for your consideration.........then YOU tell me.........

Acts
5​

1.) But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2.) And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, andbrought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3.) But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to theHoly Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4.) Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it notin thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thouhast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5.) And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and greatfear came on all them that heard these things.
6.) And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7.) And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowingwhat was done, came in.
8.) And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much?And she said, Yea, for so much.
9.) Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to temptthe Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husbandare at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10.) Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: andthe young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried herby her husband.

1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians
5​

1 .) It is reported commonly that there isfornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named amongthe Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 .) And ye are puffed up, and have not rathermourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 .) For I verily, as absent in body, but presentin spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him thathath so done this deed,
4 .) In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when yeare gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 .) To deliver such an one unto Satan for thedestruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the LordJesus.6 .) Your glorying is not good. Know ye not thata little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 .) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that yemay be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover issacrificed for us:

The Apostle Peter never murdered anyone in Acts, The HS took those two lives. And in Cointhians the same was to be done. In the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ that was the same thing, the power of the Spirit taking a life, but no man was ever told by God to do that. It has been said, an eye for an eye, but I say, love your enemies...He never gave command to murder or kill anyone that job is for unchristians and for HS only.

Capital punishment- that is for God to judge not me a Christian.

 

[Drett]

Is it really a process for another discussion? If someone qualifies for capital punishment under God's law, would the people in your country gather together and kill them without due process of law, or do they go through proper legal channels?

In my country, vigilante justice is not permitted. In order to carry out capital punishment here, scriptural or not, due legal process is required. I can't just take the law into my own hands, kill a murderer and say the Bible told me to do it.

Where did I talk about vigilante justice. I am just stating the fact that the death sentence for murder is biblical. Of course the person needs to be proven guilty. Should the bible be twisted to meet man expectation or should trust be put into God ? I think God knows us better than some may think.

 

[Jullianna]

Whoever sheds man’s blood,
his blood will be shed by man,
for God made man
in His image. – Genesis 9:6

No one has refuted this so I seem to be of the correct understanding that God command us to shed the blood of a murderer. You can muddy the water and throw in the killing of an innocent man. What is considered a proper judicial process is for another discussion. In the end God has stated Gods expectation.

So if you believe Capital punishment is wrong does it mean you believe that God changed Gods mind ?

Where did I talk about vigilante justice. I am just stating the fact that the death sentence for murder is biblical. Of course the person needs to be proven guilty. Should the bible be twisted to meet man expectation or should trust be put into God ? I think God knows us better than some may think.

Nowhere did I say you talked about vigilante justice. Not sure why you would think I did. You said that proper judicial process was for another discussion, as highlighted above. THIS was the issue I addressed.

Even in Jesus' day the Sanhedrin could not pass judgment on capital crimes. In order to put Jesus to death for what they considered to be a capital crime, they had to take him before Roman authority. The same is true today. If a person is guilty of murder or any other capital crime per scripture, we can't just take them out back and shoot/hang them. They have to be taken before a court of law. Separating the two makes no sense.

You say that someone needs to be proven guilty, but MY point is that the standard by which a person is proven guilty of murder scripturally and under the laws of my country are not the same. It may be different in your country.

I absolutely agree that we should trust God. He knows who is guilty and who is not. Those who are guilty may appear to go free at times, but they do not. And if we take an innocent life, we will be held accountable as well.

 

[Bookends]

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Act 25:10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest.
Act 25:11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.

The bible does not oppose capital punishment so if the government sanctions its use, our duty as citizens is to accept it.

Yes, we have to accept, but that doesn't mean we have to like it. If our government legalizes same sex marriages, are you going to accept that and like it?

So would you prefer a government that doesn't use capital punishment or one that does? Just curious.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Yes, we have to accept, but that doesn't mean we have to like it. If our government legalizes same sex marriages, are you going to accept that and like it?

Why do we have to accept what we don't like? A thorn by any other name is not a rose.

 

[Nautilus]

do yuo understand Genisis 9:5 A person who kill must be killed

You do understand it costs significantly less to just put someone in jail for life than to give them a death sentence right?

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

You do understand it costs significantly less to just put someone in jail for life than to give them a death sentence right?

Lol. Then someone is doing something terribly wrong.

I'm not expert, but...

Price of bullet: $0.20
Price of relative to pull trigger: $free$

vs.

Price of providing food for life: $100,000
Price of jailer, jail cell, clothing, electricity, blah, blah, blah: Who cares, $100,000 is already way more than 20c.

 

[directline2iam]

To the title,of the o.p., yes for.God set a rule, and Christ reafirmed it, that anyone that commits criminal homocide, that is murder, or rape, they must be put to death. Its written an there have been many threads documenting from scripture the fact.this is very much in effect today.

Are you off your rocker? The only thing Jesus reafirmed was that He said to the woman, where are your accusers. He also reafirmed the Fifth Commandment: thou shalt not kill. What bible do you read cause it isn't a Christian bible.

 

[Isdaniel]

if a thief enters your house will you kill them if given the opputunity . Why or why not hmmmm thou shall not kill

 

[nathan3]

if a thief enters your house will you kill them if given the opputunity . Why or why not hmmmm thou shall not kill

Well, its him or you. The commandment is supposed to read; do no murder. That means premeditated criminal homicide. Even in the Bible, there are differences when a killing comes about , and different procedures for dealing with each. A murder as its written is to be but to death

If a a thief brakes into a home, a person has the right to defend themselves and their property , there is no mind reading abilities, and no way to know if the person will kill or not. The person killing in defense of their home and family was not planning on attacking some one.

But the thief has displayed intent to do harm in their planning to attack a home

 

[Isdaniel]

• Killing a thief in the night.Exodus 22:2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.

 

[nathan3]

• Killing a thief in the night.Exodus 22:2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.

There you go, there shall be no one put to death, for killing a thief. .He/she had it coming . Self defense as I just stated below.

 

[nathan3]

Lets use just a what if; kind of scenario which probably does happen from time to time: Say some one makes a error in judgment, and, lets say is drunk, and just happens to enter into the wrong home ( not his own ). They had no intent to do harm, he mistook some ones home for his own, and crawled through a open window , but they are shot dead by the home owner thinking they were being attacked.

Say a kid, is locking up the store late at night in which he works, the owner of the store cant see, its dark , and shoots his gun thinking its a intruder.

These cases would be accidents. And there are even situations in the Bible that go into some detail about that. There was no intent to do harm , but it was a mistake. They are not guilty .


If there was some one that lets say, broke into a store, and they killed the store owner, that man committed a Murder. They planned they plotted, then brought about the death of a man by their criminal activities; they are guilty of murder. There blood shall be shed, they are sentenced to death.

 

[Isdaniel]

Distinguished from murder.
Exodus 21:13-14 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee. 14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.

 

[Isdaniel]

Killing by accident.
Numbers 35:23 Or with any stone, wherewith a man may die, seeing him not, and cast it upon him, that he die, and was not his enemy, neither sought his harm:


Deuteronomy 19:5 As when a man goeth into the wood with his neighbour to hew wood, and his hand fetcheth a stroke with the axe to cut down the tree, and the head slippeth from the helve, and lighteth upon his neighbour, that he die; he shall flee unto one of those cities, and live:


The avenger of blood might slay those guilty of unjustifiable.
Numbers 35:19 The revenger of blood himself shall slay the murderer: when he meeteth him, he shall slay him.


Numbers 35:27 And the revenger of blood find him without the borders of the city of his refuge, and the revenger of blood kill the slayer; he shall not be guilty of blood:


Protection afforded in the cities of refuge to those guilty of unjustifiable.
Numbers 35:11 Then ye shall appoint you cities to be cities of refuge for you; that the slayer may flee thither, which killeth any person at unawares.


Numbers 35:15 These six cities shall be a refuge, both for the children of Israel, and for the stranger, and for the sojourner among them: that every one that killeth any person unawares may flee thither.

 

[nathan3]

Distinguished from murder.
Exodus 21:13-14 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee. 14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.

13- that would be just like a accidental killing that I just gave an example of below. That man should be protected, a place to flee, from the family of the slain victim, in case they take it upon themselves to exact revenge for that accident.


14- There you have a man that comes purposefully, intentionally on his neighbor, and premeditate an act to kill that person, then that is homicide, murder. Taking away from the alter of God, is like saying, there will be no escape from the punishment for the flesh body, for committing that crime. God wants that soul sent directly to Him, so his real trial can begin . I John 3:15