1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
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Matthew 22:36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 .) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 .) This is the first and great commandment.
39 .) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 .) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Bless you heart brother. I have one rhetorical question though, and I will answer it if no one else answers. Where are the first definitions of this love found to explain and exact these two love commandments?
One is in Leviticus, and the other in in Deuteronomy. Sorry, these are the first time thay were mentioned. They are in the law, and if we fail by negating the law, we also fail in receiving the instructions of how to love God and neighbors. Then all that is left by throwing the law away is to make up our own definitions of what love is, and then we become exactly like the Pharisees making up our own rules as we go. When we abide by our own rules of what is right and wrong, we should know that our rules will eventually come to a dead end.
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Matthew 22:36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 .) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 .) This is the first and great commandment.
39 .) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 .) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Bless you heart brother. I have one rhetorical question though, and I will answer it if no one else answers. Where are the first definitions of this love found to explain and exact these two love commandments?
One is in Leviticus, and the other in in Deuteronomy. Sorry, these are the first time thay were mentioned. They are in the law, and if we fail by negating the law, we also fail in receiving the instructions of how to love God and neighbors. Then all that is left by throwing the law away is to make up our own definitions of what love is, and then we become exactly like the Pharisees making up our own rules as we go. When we abide by our own rules of what is right and wrong, we should know that our rules will eventually come to a dead end.
You would think that a New Testament Church discussion would be about what Christ did to fulfill everything talked of in the OT! I think that is what the discussion should be about.
What people say about new Testament scripture is not that, it is how fulfilled means to get rid of written law, for the law of love is different from the written law. They say they are under the new covenant, and their definition of being under the new is that the new didn't build on old covenants at all, but wiped them out. They don't talk about how much better the blood of Christ is from the symbol of that blood in OT atonement, they bad mouth and gossip against God because of what God said in the OT.
So posting about this is about discussion of the law! It is a shame.
What people say about new Testament scripture is not that, it is how fulfilled means to get rid of written law, for the law of love is different from the written law. They say they are under the new covenant, and their definition of being under the new is that the new didn't build on old covenants at all, but wiped them out. They don't talk about how much better the blood of Christ is from the symbol of that blood in OT atonement, they bad mouth and gossip against God because of what God said in the OT.
So posting about this is about discussion of the law! It is a shame.
In denying the understanding of the original instructions within the law, anything goes. Then we start to hand out warm fuzzies and anything else that will scratch those itching ears. Just for starters one can identify with the persuasions listed in Exodus chapter 20 thru 24. Then I will quote Leviticus for loving our neighbor as ourselves.
Leviticus 19:3-18 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, ye shall offer it at your own will.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the LORD: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
If we make excuses like that culture is different than ours today, and fail to apply the concepts that are the same today as then, we leave ourselves vulnerable to making up our own form of love that isn't the love of God. If we can't connect the dots, we just as well are admitting that we are of a carnal mind.
Romans 8:3-8 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Leviticus 19:3-18 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, ye shall offer it at your own will.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the LORD: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
If we make excuses like that culture is different than ours today, and fail to apply the concepts that are the same today as then, we leave ourselves vulnerable to making up our own form of love that isn't the love of God. If we can't connect the dots, we just as well are admitting that we are of a carnal mind.
Romans 8:3-8 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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I often wonder just how long it will be before people who love Yeshua, Jesus, will understand there is much to be gained by knowing the entire Word as well as they are able, and to confess the teachings of Yeshua, Jesus, as all true. They seem to teach there is no wisdom, no prophecy, even no Messiah in the Torah; not so.
At present it seems to me, get ready, incoming, that all denominations, all that require labels and each's own doctrine cannot possibly be practicing this simple faith since they will die before coming to the faith of Abraham. They seem to need the validation from flesh other than the sacrificed and glorified Flesh of our Salvation, Jesus Christ. This should not be so.
At present it seems to me, get ready, incoming, that all denominations, all that require labels and each's own doctrine cannot possibly be practicing this simple faith since they will die before coming to the faith of Abraham. They seem to need the validation from flesh other than the sacrificed and glorified Flesh of our Salvation, Jesus Christ. This should not be so.
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First off, hi! lol.
But I think I should have expounded on my question. Are we to take the entire law as-is or are some just selective in what they choose to follow? Why only adhere to part and not all?
One of the reason I asked is because I've never been able to find nor gotten an answer regarding what did the Gentile of the day know about the entire Hebrew law. What did they know about the Sabbath? What did they know was forbidden to eat? What did they know about the circumcision? What did they know about the sacrifices? Were the Gentiles of the day nothing more than Judaized (for reference of this, look towards the end of Esther, even though it's crazy that in this book, it's says that people became religious Jews because they feared the Jews and not because they feared God....interesting) believers of Christ? Then I ask MYSELF the question, what was the purpose of the law in the first place?
First off, hi! lol.
But I think I should have expounded on my question. Are we to take the entire law as-is or are some just selective in what they choose to follow? Why only adhere to part and not all?
One of the reason I asked is because I've never been able to find nor gotten an answer regarding what did the Gentile of the day know about the entire Hebrew law. What did they know about the Sabbath? What did they know was forbidden to eat? What did they know about the circumcision? What did they know about the sacrifices? Were the Gentiles of the day nothing more than Judaized (for reference of this, look towards the end of Esther, even though it's crazy that in this book, it's says that people became religious Jews because they feared the Jews and not because they feared God....interesting) believers of Christ? Then I ask MYSELF the question, what was the purpose of the law in the first place?
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Dear brother in Christ Jesus,
I look at the law and the prophets as the opening curtain to the main event. I see the law as a relationship between God and myself, and I desire others to have the same warmth in understanding because it's so beautiful. It all points toward Christ, and being yoked up together with Him. If we learn the law, we are learning of Him for He is meek, and lowly of heart. We are then taking the "yoke" upon ourselves.
All of Paul's teachings to the Gentiles mentions the law, so that is a confirmation that they had it to a certain extent. I submit that if the Gentiles were not even partially acquainted with the law, they would not have understood what Paul said to the Galatians about the schoolmaster. The Gentiles, in what is now Turkey and Greece, knew this from the dispersed tribes (Israelites, not Jews) scattered 100’s of years earlier by the Syrian Empire before the chronicles of Daniel. There were also dispersed Jews. There is a good story that confirms this in Acts chapter 17. As you read this, remember that the New Testament, as we know it, didn’t exist when this happening took place. Notice that the Jews were really hacked off at Paul. That’s the way it was despite conflict.
Acts 17:4-13 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they heard these things.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when they had taken security of Jason, and of the other, they let them go.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word (the law and prophets)with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.
With that said in this scripture, they (Gentiles) were able to understand the truth by the Law and the Prophets. Peter also wrote letters to Gentile countries.
1 Peter 1:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Romans 15:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have *hope.
Romans 8:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For *we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
We are NOT saved by the law, the path to our Savior is by the law for real.
I look at the law and the prophets as the opening curtain to the main event. I see the law as a relationship between God and myself, and I desire others to have the same warmth in understanding because it's so beautiful. It all points toward Christ, and being yoked up together with Him. If we learn the law, we are learning of Him for He is meek, and lowly of heart. We are then taking the "yoke" upon ourselves.
All of Paul's teachings to the Gentiles mentions the law, so that is a confirmation that they had it to a certain extent. I submit that if the Gentiles were not even partially acquainted with the law, they would not have understood what Paul said to the Galatians about the schoolmaster. The Gentiles, in what is now Turkey and Greece, knew this from the dispersed tribes (Israelites, not Jews) scattered 100’s of years earlier by the Syrian Empire before the chronicles of Daniel. There were also dispersed Jews. There is a good story that confirms this in Acts chapter 17. As you read this, remember that the New Testament, as we know it, didn’t exist when this happening took place. Notice that the Jews were really hacked off at Paul. That’s the way it was despite conflict.
Acts 17:4-13 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they heard these things.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when they had taken security of Jason, and of the other, they let them go.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word (the law and prophets)with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.
With that said in this scripture, they (Gentiles) were able to understand the truth by the Law and the Prophets. Peter also wrote letters to Gentile countries.
1 Peter 1:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Romans 15:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have *hope.
Romans 8:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For *we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
We are NOT saved by the law, the path to our Savior is by the law for real.
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From information that has come down to us from that time, gentiles were impressed with the caring and love the people of God had for each other, and how much better their laws made their life than the life they were leading. They were attracted to this, and wanted to join them. History also shows that at the same time many found the Jewish rituals weird and were put off by them.
History also says that even before Christ, gentiles wanted to join them. Proselytes ritually became Jews, accepting all Jewish laws and practices, and some were God Fearers, accepting only some of Jewish practices. Often these people were very disrupting influences, for many accepted both their idols and the one true God. Many would forget about God, and only worship idols. They made close friends of Jewish people and led them away when they left the faith. So the rabbis decided to make rules for them. Everyone in the first century knew of these rules, sometimes called the law of Moses by the man in the street, and sometimes simply called circumcision because physical circumcision was the rule they found most objectionable. History tells us there were 18 of these rules, and sometimes says there were 24 rules, history hasn't preserved a list of them only discussions of them. They consisted mostly of the things the Jews did to remind them of the actual spiritual law behind them, like eating clean food to symbolize clean thoughts, or physical circumcision to symbolize spiritual circumcision.
Much of the book of Acts, and many epistles addresses this problem, one that Peter and Paul had to handle.
The church after Christ, in reading epistles about taking Christ to the gentiles, has expanded this to say the rituals are sinful, that all law must be eliminated when scripture doesn't say this at all, as it would be saying the God is wrong about God.
History also says that even before Christ, gentiles wanted to join them. Proselytes ritually became Jews, accepting all Jewish laws and practices, and some were God Fearers, accepting only some of Jewish practices. Often these people were very disrupting influences, for many accepted both their idols and the one true God. Many would forget about God, and only worship idols. They made close friends of Jewish people and led them away when they left the faith. So the rabbis decided to make rules for them. Everyone in the first century knew of these rules, sometimes called the law of Moses by the man in the street, and sometimes simply called circumcision because physical circumcision was the rule they found most objectionable. History tells us there were 18 of these rules, and sometimes says there were 24 rules, history hasn't preserved a list of them only discussions of them. They consisted mostly of the things the Jews did to remind them of the actual spiritual law behind them, like eating clean food to symbolize clean thoughts, or physical circumcision to symbolize spiritual circumcision.
Much of the book of Acts, and many epistles addresses this problem, one that Peter and Paul had to handle.
The church after Christ, in reading epistles about taking Christ to the gentiles, has expanded this to say the rituals are sinful, that all law must be eliminated when scripture doesn't say this at all, as it would be saying the God is wrong about God.
Ask yourself are you being Juidaized when instructed to obey the Two Great Laws of love? Are you being Judaized being taught the Ten Commandments, followed as best possible also fulfill those two great laws? Are you being Judaized being told there are bad laws, such as those instructing sinners to punish sinners even kill them? Are you being Judaized being taught all of the the Way in Jesus Christ in being in the Faith of Abraham.
Hypocrites who say they see when they do not, according to the Master, remain in their guilt. Never fault the children of the Most High God when they are obedient. Do not say the law on our hearts is enough, the law on our hearts is enough, for this too is great hypocrisy. That law taken from cold stone ane inscribed on the warm, fleshy tablets of our hearts is not just written there to be forgotten, it is written there with the changing of our very nature to be obeyed by our new nature.
I hate the warm and fuzzy teachings of the godless, and this will never change for any who adore the Most High God in spirit and truth, so take your funny lols to those who love them so very much. Me, I will stick with the Holy Spirit and the true warmth that comes with His presence, and face any trials all who believe encounter because of Yeshua, Jesus. God bless all who truly obey God, amen.
The Gentiles were taught from Torah, the Writings, and the Prophets.
Torah means teachings, though most people say it is just the law.
The Prophets are those writings attributed to specific prophets as having written down also to instruct the faithful.
The Writings are such narratives as Esther, Daniel, Song of Songs etc. all of which contain also prophesy and teaching.
The last of the Old Testament Prophets would be John the Baptist, who came foretelling the coming of Messiah, and making the way for Him.
Learn from the Word, it is the Old and the New Testament.
The purpose of the law has been elaborated upon throughout the Word. It is up to the hearer of the Word to learn and do what is taught from it. I could repeat just some of the teaching on the law, starting with it is to demonstrate how futile perfecting oneself by them is, but this too is everywhere in the Word. Saying it is abolished is calling Jesus Christ, Yeshua, a liar, and He is not a liar.
Torah means teachings, though most people say it is just the law.
The Prophets are those writings attributed to specific prophets as having written down also to instruct the faithful.
The Writings are such narratives as Esther, Daniel, Song of Songs etc. all of which contain also prophesy and teaching.
The last of the Old Testament Prophets would be John the Baptist, who came foretelling the coming of Messiah, and making the way for Him.
Learn from the Word, it is the Old and the New Testament.
The purpose of the law has been elaborated upon throughout the Word. It is up to the hearer of the Word to learn and do what is taught from it. I could repeat just some of the teaching on the law, starting with it is to demonstrate how futile perfecting oneself by them is, but this too is everywhere in the Word. Saying it is abolished is calling Jesus Christ, Yeshua, a liar, and He is not a liar.
You are being Judaized when told that the Ten Commandments fulfill the two commandments on which hang all the law and the prophets.
No. . .even Judaizers don't believe that.
In that case, you are being just flat-out misinformed.
You are being Judaized when you are not told along with it that all in Christ are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Yes, your warping of the NT is Judaizing it.
No. . .even Judaizers don't believe that.
In that case, you are being just flat-out misinformed.
You are being Judaized when you are not told along with it that all in Christ are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Yes, your warping of the NT is Judaizing it.
Funny how people hate God's Ten Commandments, isn't it?
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
If a church, or congregation obeys the law according to dictation, and not teaching that faith is the instigator of obedience, they are wrong. If a church teaches faith while denying the Spiritual understanding of the law so it can be understood the right way, they are wrong. If a church negates, or lessens the importance of any part of the Word of God for the purpose of self desire, and self-righteous doctrines, they are hypocrites and no better than the Pharisees during the time that Jesus walked the face of eh earth.
Matthew 5:19-20 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So I say, if a church teaches the Spiritual aspects of the law through the gift of faith via the Holy Spirit, they are right. Why fight and argue about God's Word, and talk about how important or unimportant some parts are for today for the sake of conflict. The Pharisees argued with Jesus with leading questions, why should we do that, when for sure none of us hold a candle to the wisdom of Christ.
Matthew 5:19-20 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So I say, if a church teaches the Spiritual aspects of the law through the gift of faith via the Holy Spirit, they are right. Why fight and argue about God's Word, and talk about how important or unimportant some parts are for today for the sake of conflict. The Pharisees argued with Jesus with leading questions, why should we do that, when for sure none of us hold a candle to the wisdom of Christ.
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What Did the Ark of the Covenant Contain (Hebrews 9:4)?
Deutteronomy 32:24-26
So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book [not the Ten Commandments which God had written on two tables of stone, but the civil law which Moses had written in a book—the law of Moses].
There were however, according to original Hebrew, ten Words, or ten things containing the covenant. So in these verses "Ten Commandments" have replaced the original Hebrew.
Exodus 34:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Deuteronomy 4:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
*Lastcm seems to be a word meaning the "Mouth that makes you wise."
Deuteronomy 10:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
I am going to look into the 10 words, or 10 things" in the covenant. The way it appears these ten things, or words include the priests cloths and the directions of the temple. This should create a real stink, but I would prefer investigation instead.
Exodus 24:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
Seems as though Moses wrote down the words (what we call the Ten Commandments) of the Lord before going up on the mountain for the 40 days.
So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book [not the Ten Commandments which God had written on two tables of stone, but the civil law which Moses had written in a book—the law of Moses].
There were however, according to original Hebrew, ten Words, or ten things containing the covenant. So in these verses "Ten Commandments" have replaced the original Hebrew.
Exodus 34:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
וַיְהִי-שָׁם עִם-יְהוָה, אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם וְאַרְבָּעִים לַיְלָה--לֶחֶם לֹא אָכַל, וּמַיִם לֹא שָׁתָה; וַיִּכְתֹּב עַל-הַלֻּחֹת, אֵת דִּבְרֵי הַבְּרִית--עֲשֶׂרֶת, הַדְּבָרִים.
And there was - there with - LORD forty days and forty nights - eating no bread and drank no water, and shall be written on - tablets, the words of the covenant - the ten things.
Deuteronomy 4:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
וְאֹתִי צִוָּה יְהוָה, בָּעֵת הַהִוא, לְלַמֵּד אֶתְכֶם, חֻקִּים וּמִשְׁפָּטִים: לַעֲשֹׂתְכֶם אֹתָם--בָּאָרֶץ, אֲשֶׁר אַתֶּם עֹבְרִים שָׁמָּה לְרִשְׁתָּהּ.
And the Lord commanded me, at that time, teach you, statutes and judgments: *Lastcm you - the country that you are passing over to possess it.
*Lastcm seems to be a word meaning the "Mouth that makes you wise."
Deuteronomy 10:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
וַיִּכְתֹּב עַל-הַלֻּחֹת כַּמִּכְתָּב הָרִאשׁוֹן, אֵת עֲשֶׂרֶת הַדְּבָרִים, אֲשֶׁר דִּבֶּר יְהוָה אֲלֵיכֶם בָּהָר מִתּוֹךְ הָאֵשׁ, בְּיוֹם הַקָּהָל; וַיִּתְּנֵם יְהוָה, אֵלָי.
And he wrote about - the tablets according to the first, the ten words which the LORD hath spoken to you on the Mount of fire on the crowd, and the LORD delivered them, to me.
I am going to look into the 10 words, or 10 things" in the covenant. The way it appears these ten things, or words include the priests cloths and the directions of the temple. This should create a real stink, but I would prefer investigation instead.
Exodus 24:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
Seems as though Moses wrote down the words (what we call the Ten Commandments) of the Lord before going up on the mountain for the 40 days.
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- Exodus 20:1-17 the Ten Commandments as we know them
- Exodus 20:23-26 make no idols, and instruction of making the altar of burning
- Exodus 21:1-11 master servant relations
- Exodus 21:12-36 personal injuries
- Exodus 22:1-15 property rights
- Exodus 22:16-31, and 23:1-9 crimes against humanity
- Exodus 23:10-13 the land and the Sabbath
- Exodus 23:14-19 harvests firstfruits, and unleavened bread, food consumption
- Exodus 23:20-33 conquest of the promised land
- Exodus 24:1-2 the introduction to the intersession of the priests
Exodus 24:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. (this is the beginning of the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the third month at mount Sinai)
Moses told all this to Israel and they agreed, making these words the instructions of the covenant.
These are the words that Moses wrote, and 2 days later was called to go up on the mountain.
Exodus 24:12-13 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And Moses rose up, and his minister Joshua: and Moses went up into the mount of God.
This is the beginning of the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the third month (a Sabbath day) Another week pasted and then Moses ascended the mountain to receive the tablets of stone that God would write.
Exodus 24:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. (this is the 12[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the month which is also a Sabbath day)
Deuteronomy 10:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing,
Of course Moses had broken them and had to later write them himself. If the church is to be right, they need to be taught the spiritual meaning of this covenant
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@JaumeJ
I just saw your response. I sense hostility in you first posing because I used the word Judaized. *sigh*
I'm not selective when I read the word of God nor read things with my POV in mind so this will be a brief post to both of your responses.
Acts 15 shows certain Jews wanting to make Gentile believers undergo circumcision and keep the laws of Moses. Peter spoke up saying that the Gentiles hearts are purified through faith and asking "why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?" After hearing Paul and Barnabas speak about the miracles they saw among the Gentiles, James stated that
"28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."
So I ask, what of the Torah was taught to the Gentile and is supposed to be taught to the Gentile? Peter called the law of Moses a burden that nobody up until that time (only Christ) was able to bear. Again, the most important thing about the Torah, the writings, and the prophets will always be Phillip said about it. "Philip found Nathanael and said to him, "We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."
I just saw your response. I sense hostility in you first posing because I used the word Judaized. *sigh*
I'm not selective when I read the word of God nor read things with my POV in mind so this will be a brief post to both of your responses.
Acts 15 shows certain Jews wanting to make Gentile believers undergo circumcision and keep the laws of Moses. Peter spoke up saying that the Gentiles hearts are purified through faith and asking "why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?" After hearing Paul and Barnabas speak about the miracles they saw among the Gentiles, James stated that
"28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."
So I ask, what of the Torah was taught to the Gentile and is supposed to be taught to the Gentile? Peter called the law of Moses a burden that nobody up until that time (only Christ) was able to bear. Again, the most important thing about the Torah, the writings, and the prophets will always be Phillip said about it. "Philip found Nathanael and said to him, "We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."
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This is an argument spawned from Satan himself, that God abolished all His Words by way of Messiah, that now we can feel our way to Heaven by simply believing in Jesus. Well, fact is, even the demons "believe" and so I'm telling you, you are deceived. Not saying any more to you, not falling into your trap, cuz that's what it is, a trap from Satan to torment and wear out the saints. Good day sir.