Defence of the Catholics

[Last]

I've already been over this before. Leaven (yeast) is a type of sin. Leavened bread was to be put out of their houses on the Passover. No yeast. No sin. Yet you are saying yeast is an important aspect of the wine that represents Jesus' blood. Yet Jesus was a our sinless Passover Lamb.

And your basis for Jesus making Welch's comes from ... nothing. Despite the wine He made tasting like wine, you believe it was grape juice, because you cannot image that Jesus would make alcohol. God created the world, including alcohol. He could have made a world without it.

I don't believe Jesus created dead fish. The Bible does not say that. I am asking you to back up your statement with Scripture.

Jesus made fish, did He not?
Are you saying when he multiplied the fish, he brought them back to life first? For what, for them to suffer? You may need your head examined.

 

[Last]

They pray to Mary. Would you pray to Mary or somebody that was dead?

I ask people to pray for me all the time. If you say Mary is dead, then you do not believe in Heaven.

 

[Last]

Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Jesus is the only mediator between God and man.

I say this in love because the real Jesus Christ of the Holy Scriptures loves you and desires to have a relationship with you.

And Jesus Christ wants to have a relationship with you too!

 

[Angela53510]

I think we do need to take a stand against the Catholic church. The doctrines they believe concerning salvation or soteriology are simply wrong. So while they might have Biblical theology as far as who Christ is, and they do, are they saved if get do not know the basics of how to be

From what I have read, ia Catholoc is first saved by the Church. Then there is something about faith plus works! Finally, there is the mass, where one is required under RCC doctrine to eat the real Jesus at least twice a year (Christmas and Easter, including full repentance, oops, I mean confession and penance, in order to be saved!). Somehow Jesus, who sits at the right hand of God in the Catholic Church magically is "physically" present in the Eucharist, and had to go into the mouth and down the digestible track to fulfill the salvic obligations of the RCC! Just ponder that a few minutes!! A digestible Jesus!

So I will keep preaching we are saved by grace. Oh yes, and a Catholic never really knows if they have done enough to be saved, just like a Muslm! Of course, some Protestants erroneously believe that lie, too!

 

[Maynard]

They pray to Mary. Would you pray to Mary or somebody that was dead?

Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read:

"[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God".
Rev. 8:3-4


And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints".
- Rev. 5:8

The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I ask people to pray for me all the time. If you say Mary is dead, then you do not believe in Heaven.

Mary was a HUMAN. She has been dead for several milennia now! She is not, and was not a saint. She is not a god. Praying to the virgin Mary is akin to praying to Satan--you should be praying to Jesus, NOT Mary or Satan!!

Mary was a human, and a woman, a mere mortal capable of sin and death. Yes she was the EARTHLY mother of Jesus, but that is all. She is NOT to be prayed to or worshipped.

 

[notuptome]

I think we do need to take a stand against the Catholic church. The doctrines they believe concerning salvation or soteriology are simply wrong. So while they might have Biblical theology as far as who Christ is, and they do, are they saved if get do not know the basics of how to be

From what I have read, ia Catholoc is first saved by the Church. Then there is something about faith plus works! Finally, there is the mass, where one is required under RCC doctrine to eat the real Jesus at least twice a year (Christmas and Easter, including full repentance, oops, I mean confession and penance, in order to be saved!). Somehow Jesus, who sits at the right hand of God in the Catholic Church magically is "physically" present in the Eucharist, and had to go into the mouth and down the digestible track to fulfill the salvic obligations of the RCC! Just ponder that a few minutes!! A digestible Jesus!

So I will keep preaching we are saved by grace. Oh yes, and a Catholic never really knows if they have done enough to be saved, just like a Muslm! Of course, some Protestants erroneously believe that lie, too!

With special emphasis on the church not the folks who are in the church.

A correct knowledge of Christ is essential to a saving knowledge of Christ. This according to scripture is accomplished only by the Holy Spirit acting on Gods word the bible.

For the Christian Christ is the center of all things. For the Catholic the church is the center of all things.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read:

"[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God".
Rev. 8:3-4


And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints".
- Rev. 5:8

The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.

Wrong again imagine my surprise. The prayers of the saints are the prayers we offer to the Lord from here on this world. We pray sometimes in great agony for souls to be saved and for the well being of the poor and broken hearted. The saints in heaven are the same ones who prayed here on earth. The saints in heaven are now receiving the joy of seeing Christ face to face. I can only speculate but I do not see those in heaven as having any interest in what is going on here on the earth. Their focus is only on heavenly matters only we who yet remain are encumbered with worldly concerns.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Elin]

First off catholics do not make statues or idols and consider them God and bow down and worship them as if they are God, catholics do not consider crucifixes God, nor do they consider relics of saints God. Catholics do not consider Mary to be God.

Secondly Catholics believe that Jesus Christ is God incarnated in the flesh and is the only means of salvation. Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity as professed in the Nicene Creed. Catholics believe that the Church is the mystical body of Christ and christians are a member of that body whether they recognize it or not.

Thirdly Catholics are not perfect and their doctrines and dogmas are not without error. Some catholics do abuse devotion to Mary, and venerate her in place of their devotion and worship of God. Some catholics do believe some icons and relics hold mystical power and rely on such superstitions rather than have faith in God.
One must note that Paul touched some pieces of cloth and sent them out to the sick and they were healed.

Actually, one must note that is not what Scripture states. Let's not enhance it:

Ac 19:11-12 - "God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their diseases were cured and the evil spirits left them."

Yes, "Greater works than these shall you do."
In the gospels, one was cured by the touch of Christ's garment when it was on him,
while here they were cured by Paul's garments when they were taken from him,
not when he sent them.

Neither Jesus nor Paul gave their garments for healing.

Fourthly fundamentalism is not the only true faith,

Fundamentalism is belief in the fundamental doctrines of the faith:

1) the inspiration and infallibility of Scripture,
2) the deity of Christ,
3) Christ's virgin birth and miracles,
4) Christ's penal death for our sin,
5) Christ's physical resurrection and personal return.

Fundamentalism is the maintenance, in opposition to modernism, of traditional orthodox
beliefs and literal acceptance of the creeds as fundamentals of protestant Christianty.

Those in disagreement with these fundamental doctrines of Christianity are not orthodox Christianity.

 

[didymos]

(...) I want to be a bridge... (...)

If you want to be a bridge you should prepare to be trampled on...

 

[ThomistColin]

Let's look at what the Bible states.

The 2nd Commandment says,

Exodus 20:4
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"

Do Catholics make a graven image of a likeness of anything that is in heaven above?

You are all sounding like broken records. This was already dealt with, if this verse is taken the way you mean it, then God Himself demanded His own chosen to immediately break it with the Ark of the Covenant and the Tapestries of the Holy of Holies.

 

[ThomistColin]

Wrong again imagine my surprise. The prayers of the saints are the prayers we offer to the Lord from here on this world. We pray sometimes in great agony for souls to be saved and for the well being of the poor and broken hearted. The saints in heaven are the same ones who prayed here on earth. The saints in heaven are now receiving the joy of seeing Christ face to face. I can only speculate but I do not see those in heaven as having any interest in what is going on here on the earth. Their focus is only on heavenly matters only we who yet remain are encumbered with worldly concerns.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

And the cloud of witnesses we are always surrounded by? Also, you believe love and charity are just simply forgotten in Heaven, "Screw my family and all those I love, I'm in HEAVEN!!!!"? There is not a single shred of evidence to those types of views.

 

[twotwo]

Thanks to you my God that I am not like other people who are atheists, Satanist, or even worst Catholics.

I come on CC every day and teach my own doctrines. I am so clever my Lord…

 

[Elin]

Re: Blissful ignorance.....

Why would Jesus produce something that was the process of decay and death? Did God ever create something that was already dead?
Jesus miracle at the wedding of Cana was to magnify His glory. Tell me, how is the promotion of alcoholic beverages glorious?
People die or are seriously injured every few minutes by drinking and driving.
Is that good fruit or bad fruit? In other words, is there more bad or more good associated with alcohol?

According to that logic, sexual intercourse produces bad fruit in rape, ect., so sexual intercourse in marriage offends God.

Try thinking on Ro 10:2.

 

[crossnote]

Please quote to me what the 2nd Commandment says in Exodus 20 and tell me how they are not breaking that Commandment.

You are not only blind to your own self righteousness but are not reading what others are saying.
What is meant by our hearts being an idol factory is that out of the heart comes that which defiles a man (mk 7:22)...coveteousness is idolatry (col 3:5)
and the Protestant church is also guilty what you are attacking Rome for.

Mark 7:21-23 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

 

[Elin]

Co- is from the Latin sense, not the English sense. Co- in Latin means helper, Co- in English means equal.
As His mother, she helped the redeemer.

In Catholicism, she helped the redeemer redeem us, which is egregious heresy.

That statement is not made of Joseph who was likewise his parent.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Re: Blissful ignorance.....

Originally Posted by Jason0047

Why would Jesus produce something that was the process of decay and death? Did God ever create something that was already dead?
Jesus miracle at the wedding of Cana was to magnify His glory. Tell me, how is the promotion of alcoholic beverages glorious?
People die or are seriously injured every few minutes by drinking and driving.
Is that good fruit or bad fruit? In other words, is there more bad or more good associated with alcohol?



This is jmo, but I would say there is more bad associated with alcohol, because people tend to abuse it by getting as drunk as they can on it. Alcohol impairs the senses, and it impairs a person's ability to think clearly and make rational, sound decisions. One bad thing that results from getting drunk and driving, is the probability of getting into an accident and killing someone else for your foolish mistake. Therefore, getting drunk off alcohol produces BAD fruit.

 

[Maynard]

Re: Blissful ignorance..... Protestantism

It's quite funny, and a real testimony to the abundance of false teachings and disunity which has existed in Protestantism since its inception just 500 years ago (most of its 30,000+ denominations within just the past 100 years), that the only thing that anyone on christianchat forums can ever agree upon is that they hate Catholics.
You are all so confused on so many matters that it is comical. The only thing that you people are ever unified on is in regards to what you hate. Go figure.

Thank God I am Catholic. Praised be Jesus Christ for his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

 

[Elin]

First of all, it's Co-Redemptrix. Because the title is Latin.

Co-redemptrix is a title. It's always fun to watch protestants embarass themselves as they go about it
as if it was a major theological component of the Church

So it's a throw-away doctrine?

Hardly. . .and it is a major component of their error.

- and the fact they have no idea what "Co-" means.

Co- in Latin means aid or helper. Mary gave free consent to being the mother of Jesus and raising him.

The title is not

"co-revelator," Mary helping Jesus give revelation, or
"co-lawgiver," Mary helping Jesus give law, or
"co-worker," Mary helping Jesus in his earthly ministry, or
"co-servant," Mary helping Jesus in his service to the Father,

but "co-redeemer," Mary helping Jesus redeem us.

The statement is not made of Joseph, who was likewise his parent.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Re: Blissful ignorance..... Protestantism

Thank God I am Catholic.

Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men...