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Parents may have unconditional love for their children but that is not the case with God;
Jn 14:15 "If ye love Me, keep My commandments."
One CONDITIONALLY loves Christ by keeping His commandments.
Jn 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
Jude 1:21 "Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life."
God has a general love for all men, Jn 3:16 but God has a special saving love for those that are His children that keep His commandments and a child of God can from that saving love so he must work to keep himself in that love of God.
Jn 14:15 "If ye love Me, keep My commandments."
One CONDITIONALLY loves Christ by keeping His commandments.
Jn 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
Jude 1:21 "Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life."
God has a general love for all men, Jn 3:16 but God has a special saving love for those that are His children that keep His commandments and a child of God can from that saving love so he must work to keep himself in that love of God.
The Jews in Acts 2, the eunuch in Acts 8 were just water baptized and not baptized with the HS. Not being baptized with the HS mean they were lost?
What verse says if one is baptized with the HS and speaks in tongues means he is saved?
Earlier I gave you an example from 1 Sam 19:18-24 of the spirit of God coming upon unsaved men where they prophesied.
What verse says if one is baptized with the HS and speaks in tongues means he is saved?
Earlier I gave you an example from 1 Sam 19:18-24 of the spirit of God coming upon unsaved men where they prophesied.
You are the only person I have chatted to who has questioned whether someone on whom the Holy Spirit comes and speaks in tongues as the disciples did at Pentecost is necessarily saved. I know of no minister or Christian who would take your view, therefore it is not for me worth any more discussion on the issue. I respect your right to hold your opinion, which is not shared by the vast majority of christendom
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SeaBass, you do not know the living God that we have been giving through Christ, the cross He bore and through the Holy Spirit. You have a theology about God that is filled with much error. Your image and perception about Christ is not right and the doctrine is not right. Your heart is not right and you have been lead astray by your doctrine. You handle so much of the word in a deceitful manner and you get all puffed up about it and you don't even see it for what it is. You keep adding error to error because you have a false premise and that is not the way of the Spirit or of Jesus Christ. Your words and understanding do not edify the members of Christ's body. The truth you claim to speak is not filled with grace or with the (agape) love of God. You need to humble yourself and make things right and repent of your grievous errors and you know what some of those errors are. If anyone is a candidate for apostasy, it is those who live in error and refuse to repent.
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I have confidence in the cross, the grace of God and in the Holy Spirit that reveals Christ in me through the word. When others go outside of grace then they become something else then what God has made us to be as a new creature in Christ. We are to be edified in the body of Christ according to grace and truth and not according to prevailing error. Isn't it enough that we have to deal with a sin nature within and the only way to do it effectively is through the cross, through grace and being transformed within the inner man or the one new man. I feel good about that and not the other.
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You are saying that you believe in eternal salvation by God's grace alone without the help of man, but by your statements you are advocating eternal salvation by works of man. You are insinuating that Jesus's death on the cross was an offer for man to accept. The offering of Jesus on the cross was an offering to God and not to man. The word "faith" in Eph 2:8 is not man's faith, but is Jesus's faith (Gal 2:16). Jesus did not die for all mankind, but only for those that His Father gave him (John 6:39). You conclude by saying that you have to ask Jesus to come into your heart before you can receive remission of sins, when in fact He washed all of the sins away of those that his Father gave him when he died on the cross, and all that he died for will live with him in heaven, without the loss of even one ((6:39).
Why are you avoiding answering such a simple question? You either serve #1 or #2:
I noticed you avoided this the first time, so here it is again:
Rom 6:16 Paul goes on to say you serve either one of two masters, you serve either;
1) sin unto death
or
2) obedience unto righteousness
I serve #2. Which do you serve?
I noticed you avoided this the first time, so here it is again:
Rom 6:16 Paul goes on to say you serve either one of two masters, you serve either;
1) sin unto death
or
2) obedience unto righteousness
I serve #2. Which do you serve?
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God has no plan of eternal salvation. God purposes things and he purposed that Christ would die on the cross for the eternal salvation of all of those that God gave him. Jesus said while on the cross "it is finished". Meaning that he had finished what God sent him to do, and that was to redeem back to him all that He gave to Jesus. There has been not one person eternally saved since the death of Jesus on the cross, and there never will be. What do you not understand about "it is finished"?
In your effort to avoid the necessity of water baptism, you try and find a way to have Cornelius saved before he was water baptized. Nothing in the context indicates he was saved prior to being water baptized. Peter recounts the events of Acts 10 "by order" in Acts 11:4f. The order of events has Cornelius being baptized with the HS before he heard the gospel message, vs 14,15. There is no verse that says because the HS has fell upon one and he can perform a miracle means that person is saved....that idea is assumed. The context also tells us Cornelius me "work righteousness" verse 35 before he would be accepted with God. Cornelius had not "worked righteousness" when the HS fell upon him.