it says "not that we loved God -- but that He loved us" -- the same apostle tells us why we love - because He first loved us!
nuts, i thought this would be easier to chew. sorry.
i thought you said you had a map??
oh yeah - as i asked you, when Christ hung there being crucified for all your transgressions, long before you ever repented of them -- and He prayed to the Father to forgive all those unrepentant, works-lacking, unrighteous sinners, what do you think mr. Jabber? did the Father hear His prayer?
or is it like you affirm, that no one has ever been forgiven without earning their mercy?
(in re: post #137 that you have ignored)
i really do look forward to your reply, though i confess my interest is a little scatological.
nuts, i thought this would be easier to chew. sorry.
i thought you said you had a map??
oh yeah - as i asked you, when Christ hung there being crucified for all your transgressions, long before you ever repented of them -- and He prayed to the Father to forgive all those unrepentant, works-lacking, unrighteous sinners, what do you think mr. Jabber? did the Father hear His prayer?
or is it like you affirm, that no one has ever been forgiven without earning their mercy?
(in re: post #137 that you have ignored)
i really do look forward to your reply, though i confess my interest is a little scatological.
Now to your post # 137, you quoted :
Jesus said,
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
(Luke 23:24)
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
(Luke 23:24)
So you think that he was speaking for all mankind?, do you think all mankind was were forgiven here? if so, Peter really had no idea what he was doing here when he said:
Acts 2:36-38 (KJV)
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The Father will forgive mankind for killing His son, if we "Repent, and be baptized every one of you (us) in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins"