True love is the mark of a real Believer.
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Let's say you are right and Proberbs is talking about an actual literal "rod" and not a metaphorical one. The passage in Proverbs is still of the Old Testament and not the New. For do you sacrifice animals and eat clean animals only? Do you cast stones and kill those who break certain Laws of God? Surely you cannot pick and choose which parts of the Old Testament you prefer. Either you obey all of it or none of it. The New Testament is what supercedes the Old Testament. In other words, unless you can find a passage in the New Testament that says the same exact thing in Proverbs, you got no authority to say otherwise. For you cannot use just a few verses in Proverbs to enforce your belief. For what did Jesus say in regards to being smitten? Did not Jesus say we are not to render evil for evil? Did not Paul say to overcome evil with good?
Dogs are a good demonstration of the carnal mind. If they are in a mindset, they behave according to it. It they are dominated and they are submissive, they will obey the rules. You have to be assertive and not back down.
Whatever you do just has to reflect that dominance. It works because that is how they are programmed.
Humans are different, so the rules etc do not apply in the same way, which is why dominance and submission plays cannot not be used and the language simply does not fit.
Just saying, hope this helps.
Whatever you do just has to reflect that dominance. It works because that is how they are programmed.
Humans are different, so the rules etc do not apply in the same way, which is why dominance and submission plays cannot not be used and the language simply does not fit.
Just saying, hope this helps.
Do you actually listen to what you write? Every word is inspired for a reason...to compare disciplining a child with sacrificing animals if foolish.....Just like saying should we build an ark.....foolish.....another problem you have is to automatically jump to the extreme left conclusion when someone with truth contradicts your view.....the bolded above is foolish as well.....the OT is full of things that are yet applicable and principles that still have application and will have until the end of the age....Does God CHASTEN his children...YES he does.....Why should God be redundant about the discipline afforded to children who walk contrary? Wake up Jason and understand that you miss the mark on numerous truths because of a rejection of words, verb tenses and the bolded above in your quote! Serious! Lastly...if you honestly believe that then you need to chunk about half of your bible.....serious.....wow!
Oh by the way...a metaphorical rod? You have got to be kidding right? Leaves shaking my head in unbelief that you would actually think that much less post it.......!
Oh by the way...a metaphorical rod? You have got to be kidding right? Leaves shaking my head in unbelief that you would actually think that much less post it.......!
What if elephants were pink and pigs could actually fly..........serious....dogs are pack animals and they understand who the leader of the (pack) is in my yard....so...maybe be a little more assertive and biblical and you will not have problems with your dog crapping on your carpet! What if, what if, what if........a game no one wins.....!
Jason, I am not upset at all.....that is the problem with words on a page is the inability to see facial expression and or attitude.....I would say the biggest problem that people have with you is frustration because you will go to the (tenth) degree to disagree and or argue a moot point because of your refusal to acknowledge your error and accept truth...especially if it is from someone who you have had a few rounds with....you constantly go to the extreme left of a subject to make your point and a prime example is sin in a believers life.....one who is saved can say that they occasionally sin or fail and you will automatically jump to the conclusion that they are living a wicked sinful life even though they may just be simply talking about a particular sin that they have difficulty with and or occasionally stumble with....
Post 50 above and this post is a prime example....
God LOVES every SON he chastens......same applies unto CHILDREN........If you love a child you will DISCIPLINE them and TRAIN them up in the way they should GO and when they are OLD they will not depart form it....UNLESS you don't believe that still applies!
God LOVES every SON he chastens......same applies unto CHILDREN........If you love a child you will DISCIPLINE them and TRAIN them up in the way they should GO and when they are OLD they will not depart form it....UNLESS you don't believe that still applies!
Words can say a lot and reveal what is in a person's heart. Jesus said so himself. For it is not that what goes in a man that defiles him, but it is what comes out of a man that defiles him.
There is a difference between discipline and being overly harsh, mean, abusive and not loving. Besides "liking" one my posts on very rare occasion, can you honestly name me one post where you were ever kind to me with your words?
I say this because well.... It is a Biblical practice.
There is a difference between discipline and being overly harsh, mean, abusive and not loving. Besides "liking" one my posts on very rare occasion, can you honestly name me one post where you were ever kind to me with your words?
I say this because well.... It is a Biblical practice.
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well Jason when you take a judgemental attitude and say anyone who disagrees with you is teaching or believing a do-any-thing-you-want-and-still-be-saved, then some harsh pushback should be expected. do unto others as you would have done to you. oh, and maybe think about something someone posts and not just disagree if it does not exactly line up with your theology.
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Well, first, there is nothing wrong with Judging if one's Judgment is true. For Jesus said we can judge righteous judgment. Second, most of the time I speak in the third person and I do not actually refer to any one person. If a person takes offense with what I said with the Word of God, it is the Word that they are offended by and it will be the Word that will judge them on the last day for them in disobeying it (If they are disobeying it). The Word of God is offensive to people because they do not like what it says. The Word always promotes a believer to live holy and right before God. The Lord desires us to deny ourselves and to pick up our crosses. Yet, people think they can serve two masters, though. I mean, a person can't be a follower of Jesus and like.... not follow Him. A person can't call Him Lord and not do the things that He says. For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.
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When we judge we judge according to the law of love, that is righteous judgment. God is love and has always been love, so before the law came, love covered sin, going all the way back to Adam and his wife Eve. The law was given to reveal sin so that sin could be imputed, and when Christ came all sin was imputed to the body of Christ so that love could cover sin and draw man to Christ.
You see Jason, God put away sin so that he would not remember it, not impute it and so that we would not judge one another according to it.
Psalm 103:10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
You see Jason, God put away sin so that he would not remember it, not impute it and so that we would not judge one another according to it.
Psalm 103:10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
This is context to loving the brethren. For the entire passage says, "And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins." (1 Peter 4:8).
Which Peter relates to earlier when he said,
"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently" (1 Peter 1:22)
So a believer has to ask themselves: Am I purifying my soul in obeying the truth thru the Spirit by having an unfeigned love for the brethren?
That is what is in view or context here of love covering a multitude of sins. Not our love, but the love of Christ shed abroad within our hearts.
Which Peter relates to earlier when he said,
"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently" (1 Peter 1:22)
So a believer has to ask themselves: Am I purifying my soul in obeying the truth thru the Spirit by having an unfeigned love for the brethren?
That is what is in view or context here of love covering a multitude of sins. Not our love, but the love of Christ shed abroad within our hearts.
Love prospers when a fault is forgiven, but dwelling on it separates close friends. (Proverbs 17:9 NLT).
Not sure what you mean by this verse. If you are suggesting that this has to do with God: That really does not work. God calls us to confess our sins whereby we then can be forgiven of sin (1 John 1:9). We then forsake sin by walking in the light as he is in the light so that the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1;7).
If you are referring to my correction of DC's behavior. Well, one has to first be friends in order for this verse to apply. Second, it is not unloving to reprove wrong behavior. This verse is in context to the other person repenting of their wrong and in doing what is right. I really do not see him doing that any time soon. In other words, the verse is saying I would not be forgiving of a sin that they repented of towards me.
Not sure what you mean by this verse. If you are suggesting that this has to do with God: That really does not work. God calls us to confess our sins whereby we then can be forgiven of sin (1 John 1:9). We then forsake sin by walking in the light as he is in the light so that the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1;7).
If you are referring to my correction of DC's behavior. Well, one has to first be friends in order for this verse to apply. Second, it is not unloving to reprove wrong behavior. This verse is in context to the other person repenting of their wrong and in doing what is right. I really do not see him doing that any time soon. In other words, the verse is saying I would not be forgiving of a sin that they repented of towards me.
In regards to 1 Peter 4:8 when it says, "Love shall cover a multitude of sins.":
Well, not saying that is what you believe, but if you are suggesting this applies to God forgiving a believer of sin that they are commiting against him in the present moment (with no real remorse or sorrow): You would be taking that vese out of contxt.
If you are suggesting that I am not loving DC: Such would not be true. I am trying to point him to the right way according to God's Word in love. You should take a serious look at his words again a little more closely. For has he ever spoken kindly to me on CC? I really cannot recall such a time. I say this not to wound him or to say I am better. Only God is good. I say this so as to glorify the Lord and His Word. For it will be God's Word that will judge men. I am merely the messenger.
Well, not saying that is what you believe, but if you are suggesting this applies to God forgiving a believer of sin that they are commiting against him in the present moment (with no real remorse or sorrow): You would be taking that vese out of contxt.
If you are suggesting that I am not loving DC: Such would not be true. I am trying to point him to the right way according to God's Word in love. You should take a serious look at his words again a little more closely. For has he ever spoken kindly to me on CC? I really cannot recall such a time. I say this not to wound him or to say I am better. Only God is good. I say this so as to glorify the Lord and His Word. For it will be God's Word that will judge men. I am merely the messenger.