True love is the mark of a real Believer.

[Jason0047]

When we judge we judge according to the law of love, that is righteous judgment. God is love and has always been love, so before the law came, love covered sin, going all the way back to Adam and his wife Eve. The law was given to reveal sin so that sin could be imputed, and when Christ came all sin was imputed to the body of Christ so that love could cover sin and draw man to Christ.

You see Jason, God put away sin so that he would not remember it, not impute it and so that we would not judge one another according to it.

Psalm 103:10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.

Okay. So you are promoting the idea that all future sin is forgiven? That you can sin right now and it is automatically forgiven you already? That you do not need to confess or forsake of that sin because you have a belief on Jesus as the Savior? Is that correct? Well, that is what it sounds like to me by what you said above. If that is not what you meant, then I would like to hear otherwise. But if I am right in the fact that you believe all future sin is forgiven, etc. then what you are proposing is just out right evil. For the passage you are referencing is in context to PAST sin that was confessed and forsaken. It is not in context to ongoing sin that one is still committing against God in open rebellion against Him. Where in the context of that passage does it say they are still sinning against God and yet he is forgiving them?

 

[Jason0047]

Have you looked at verse 11 that is after Psalm 103:10?

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

Our Lord shows the way of perfect love for us, when he give his life for us, so we may live trough him, and so now we should be ready to give our life's for the others, to be real follower of the Lord Jesus.

But today's christians seems to follow different kind of lord, which they do not had to have this mind of our Lord, or piety of him, but it seems that it is enough that people's just say that they follow the Lord, but do not have anything from our Lord.

What means the follow of our Lord, if it is not to wear on the Lord Jesus Christ?

 

[psychomom]

I mean... what makes more sense?

Beating your child senseless? Or talking to him or her in love and telling him that such things are wrong? Do you think a child is going to look back at his Dad or Mom and thank them for being beaten? Unless they enjoy punishment or pain, I say thee nay. No way.

Talk to parents and children who have grown up on both sides of this viewpoint. I bet you that more children (who have grown up now) and who had parents who used a metaphorical rod think of their parents as more loving then those who have beaten them physically when they were young.

just out of curiosity, how many children have you raised?
how many of them are now successful adults, in the sense they're following the Lord, loving their neighbor, educated, holding down jobs, hard working, respectful of others?

how many even through the teen years?

 

[Jason0047]

just out of curiosity, how many children have you raised?
how many of them are now successful adults, in the sense they're following the Lord, loving their neighbor, educated, holding down jobs, hard working, respectful of others?

how many even through the teen years?

I prefer not to reveal too many details about my personal life on the internet. Surely you know that such a thing can be destructive. Besides, my life is not the standard for morality. God's Word is the standard. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God.

 

[mailmandan]

1 John 4:19 - We love Him because He first loved us.

Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed. O Lord, come!

1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith

Hebrews 10:39
39But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.

 

[cmarieh]

Matthew 22:37-38
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.

Mark 12:31 NKJV
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

I am not perfect and I do know that I have struggled in walking a Christian lifestyle as many have. I choose to show love in everything I do. What I mean by this, is when someone does something to hurt me, I am devastated and do grieve. However, I have chosen to dust myself off and push forward. I am the type of person that puts my heart and soul into everything and people do take advantage of my humility and I do end up getting burned. He has shown me time and time again to love as he has loved me especially when I have done wrong and I desire to show that to others. I am reminded of:

Luke 6:35 NKJV
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.

"By the way this is an excellent post"

 

[cmarieh]

Matthew 22:37-38
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.

Mark 12:31 NKJV
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

I am not perfect and I do know that I have struggled in walking a Christian lifestyle as many have. I choose to show love in everything I do. What I mean by this, is when someone does something to hurt me, I am devastated and do grieve. However, I have chosen to dust myself off and push forward. I am the type of person that puts my heart and soul into everything and people do take advantage of my humility and I do end up getting burned. He has shown me time and time again to love as he has loved me especially when I have done wrong and I desire to show that to others. I am reminded of:

Luke 6:35 NKJV
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.

"By the way this is an excellent post"

I didn't mean that like it sounds. I mean the OP was an excellent post. I am so sorry it sounded very conceited, that is not the way it was intended. I am actually really embarrassed that I even said that. Please forgive me

 

[psychomom]

I didn't mean that like it sounds. I mean the OP was an excellent post. I am so sorry it sounded very conceited, that is not the way it was intended. I am actually really embarrassed that I even said that. Please forgive me

we knew what you meant, dear heart.

 

[Jason0047]

I didn't mean that like it sounds. I mean the OP was an excellent post. I am so sorry it sounded very conceited, that is not the way it was intended. I am actually really embarrassed that I even said that. Please forgive me

Thanks Cmarieh. You are very kind with your words.

 

[SarahM777]

Anyways, I do believe God does chasten His people. But this is God. We are not God. The example the Lord gives us is to love. For how do you explain 1 Corinthians 13 in light of your belief?

Do you REALLY understand the love that God is asking of us Jason? If so WHERE in any of the things you speak of is COMPASSION and MERCY? You would rather use a TWO BY FOUR up side the heads of those who are HURTING and STRUGGLING. When did Jesus use a two by four upside the head of the woman at the well? How about the woman CAUGHT in adultery? Compassion,mercy and encouragement are JUST as much a part of the love that God asks of us,have you ever spoken on any of those?

There are the times that one needs to use the two by four,but there are the other times when we need to use compassion,mercy and encouragement. In comparison Jesus rarely used the two by four except for certain groups.

 

[SarahM777]

And to take further Jason,I have known many like you who will do just as you do. I am one that many have used Romans 1 against me,but they ALMOST always leave out the CONTINUATION of that passage

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. [SUP]29 [/SUP]They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, [SUP]30 [/SUP]slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; [SUP]31 [/SUP]they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. [SUP]6 [/SUP]God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]7 [/SUP]To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. [SUP]9 [/SUP]There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; [SUP]10 [/SUP]but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For God does not show favoritism.

HMM Paul very clearly adds those who have no MERCY in that list. Then Paul clearly those who JUDGE and HAVE NO MERCY are condemning themselves. So why did Paul say that?

 

[psychomom]

Do you REALLY understand the love that God is asking of us Jason? If so WHERE in any of the things you speak of is COMPASSION and MERCY? You would rather use a TWO BY FOUR up side the heads of those who are HURTING and STRUGGLING. When did Jesus use a two by four upside the head of the woman at the well? How about the woman CAUGHT in adultery? Compassion,mercy and encouragement are JUST as much a part of the love that God asks of us,have you ever spoken on any of those?

There are the times that one needs to use the two by four,but there are the other times when we need to use compassion,mercy and encouragement. In comparison Jesus rarely used the two by four except for certain groups.

amen. ♥

the Lord Jesus may use the 2x4 (LAW), but as soon as we've responded to it,
He is merciful and compassionate to remind us of the Gospel.

the Gospel. it's for Christians, too.

 

[SarahM777]

amen. ♥

the Lord Jesus may use the 2x4 (LAW), but as soon as we've responded to it,
He is merciful and compassionate to remind us of the Gospel.

the Gospel. it's for Christians, too.

Amen we need to be reminded of His mercy and compassion on us and we are to show the very same out of love.

 

[BradC]

Love prospers when a fault is forgiven, but dwelling on it separates close friends. (Proverbs 17:9 NLT).

Not sure what you mean by this verse. If you are suggesting that this has to do with God: That really does not work. God calls us to confess our sins whereby we then can be forgiven of sin (1 John 1:9). We then forsake sin by walking in the light as he is in the light so that the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1;7).

If you are referring to my correction of DC's behavior. Well, one has to first be friends in order for this verse to apply. Second, it is not unloving to reprove wrong behavior. This verse is in context to the other person repenting of their wrong and in doing what is right. I really do not see him doing that any time soon. In other words, the verse is saying I would not be forgiving of a sin that they repented of towards me.

You don't know what is meant by Prov 17:9 because the NLT translation leads you in another direction. Here is another translation that might help...

Amplfied: He who covers and forgives an offense seeks love, but he who repeats or harps on a matter separates even close friends.

One of the things that this teaches is when a brother is overtaken in a fault, offense or transgression, we cover that offense, because that is what the love of God does. We don't repeat it to others or make an issue of it. If we make an issue of it or repeat it to others instead of covering it, then we risk separating friends and causing discord. There is no problem going to that person alone, being led by God because you seek love and not exposing the person.

 

[BradC]

Do you REALLY understand the love that God is asking of us Jason? If so WHERE in any of the things you speak of is COMPASSION and MERCY? You would rather use a TWO BY FOUR up side the heads of those who are HURTING and STRUGGLING. When did Jesus use a two by four upside the head of the woman at the well? How about the woman CAUGHT in adultery? Compassion,mercy and encouragement are JUST as much a part of the love that God asks of us,have you ever spoken on any of those?

There are the times that one needs to use the two by four,but there are the other times when we need to use compassion,mercy and encouragement. In comparison Jesus rarely used the two by four except for certain groups.

It is interesting that you bring up this example with the woman at the well. She had five husbands and was living with a man who was not her husband. The Lord did this all alone with her, one on one, for the disciples that were with him had gone into the city to buy meat (Jn 4:8). He never exposed her sin to anyone, not even the disciples who did not even ask (v.27) and went beyond her sin to meet her need for the living water of everlasting life. He never said to her to confess or repent of her sin, instead she went into her city and beckoned the men to come and see the the Christ.

 

[cmarieh]

we knew what you meant, dear heart.

Thanks Cmarieh. You are very kind with your words.

Thank you both for making me feel better about what I did say.

 

[Jason0047]

Do you REALLY understand the love that God is asking of us Jason? If so WHERE in any of the things you speak of is COMPASSION and MERCY? You would rather use a TWO BY FOUR up side the heads of those who are HURTING and STRUGGLING. When did Jesus use a two by four upside the head of the woman at the well? How about the woman CAUGHT in adultery? Compassion,mercy and encouragement are JUST as much a part of the love that God asks of us,have you ever spoken on any of those?

There are the times that one needs to use the two by four,but there are the other times when we need to use compassion,mercy and encouragement. In comparison Jesus rarely used the two by four except for certain groups.

Jesus told her to sin no more.

 

[ember]

So if someone appears to have a form of Godliness and they are always a hardcase and always critical, cold, and hard, then they are without natural affection. The cat is out of the bag. They are exposed by 2 Timothy 3:3.

oh yes...exactly