'Pedophilia is OK,' says Priest

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Viligant_Warrior

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I do believe you will find that Jesus forgave BEFORE ever requiring any proof of change..... So you might be careful the words you try to put into Jesus' mouth. (You might find some wild guy claiming you are preaching "False Gospels.")
I want you to carefully read the following:

"I want to describe a child molester I know very well. This man was raised by devout Christian parents. As a child he rarely missed church. Even after he became an adult, he was faithful as a church member. He was a straight A student in high school and college. He has been married and has a child of his own. He coached Little League baseball. He was a choir director at his church. He never used any illegal drugs. He never had a drink of alcohol. He was considered a clean-cut, all-American boy. Everyone seemed to like him. He was a volunteer in numerous civic community functions. He had a well-paying career job. He was considered “well-to-do” in society. But from the age of thirteen years old he sexually molested little boys. He never victimized a stranger. All of his victims were friends…I know this child molester very well because he is me!"
-- Salter, A. (2004). Predators: Pedophiles, rapists, and other sex offenders. New York City: Basic Books. p. 36-37.

A man by the last name of Raines, quoted above, was in prison for a short time then was let out on parole. He almost immediately infiltrated a church and became the director of the children’s choir. He was incarcerated two more times after this. Dr. Anna Salter, who met him in prison, followed this direct quote from the man, saying, “I believe in my heart the next time Mr. Raines gets out of prison, he will successfully ingratiate himself in youth activities in a church once more. He will do this even though he now has at least three criminal convictions for child molestation and likely more, all of which any church could have discovered. But who will check criminal records for such an outstanding, polite, well-spoken young man? After all, volunteers are hard to come by” (Salter, 37).

Thankfully, since Dr. Salter had this book published 11 years ago, churches do background checks on all volunteers, for the most part. But I'm sure Raines can find a small rural church that doesn't bother, and when he does, he will repeat.

Forgiveness is necessary, yes, even when the person does not seek it, though until he/she does, there is no need to vocalize it to him/her. But I reiterate, trust must be earned back, and no one can trust a man like Raines. He should be incarcerated for the rest of his natural life, and if you think he has a chance in hell of being "rehabilitated," you are too naïve for the work you volunteer to do.
 
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I want you to carefully read the following:

"I want to describe a child molester I know very well. This man was raised by devout Christian parents. As a child he rarely missed church. Even after he became an adult, he was faithful as a church member. He was a straight A student in high school and college. He has been married and has a child of his own. He coached Little League baseball. He was a choir director at his church. He never used any illegal drugs. He never had a drink of alcohol. He was considered a clean-cut, all-American boy. Everyone seemed to like him. He was a volunteer in numerous civic community functions. He had a well-paying career job. He was considered “well-to-do” in society. But from the age of thirteen years old he sexually molested little boys. He never victimized a stranger. All of his victims were friends…I know this child molester very well because he is me!"
-- Salter, A. (2004). Predators: Pedophiles, rapists, and other sex offenders. New York City: Basic Books. p. 36-37.

A man by the last name of Raines, quoted above, was in prison for a short time then was let out on parole. He almost immediately infiltrated a church and became the director of the children’s choir. He was incarcerated two more times after this. Dr. Anna Salter, who met him in prison, followed this direct quote from the man, saying, “I believe in my heart the next time Mr. Raines gets out of prison, he will successfully ingratiate himself in youth activities in a church once more. He will do this even though he now has at least three criminal convictions for child molestation and likely more, all of which any church could have discovered. But who will check criminal records for such an outstanding, polite, well-spoken young man? After all, volunteers are hard to come by” (Salter, 37).

Thankfully, since Dr. Salter had this book published 11 years ago, churches do background checks on all volunteers, for the most part. But I'm sure Raines can find a small rural church that doesn't bother, and when he does, he will repeat.

Forgiveness is necessary, yes, even when the person does not seek it, though until he/she does, there is no need to vocalize it to him/her. But I reiterate, trust must be earned back, and no one can trust a man like Raines. He should be incarcerated for the rest of his natural life, and if you think he has a chance in hell of being "rehabilitated," you are too naïve for the work you volunteer to do.
Talk about naïve. You had to go hunt up a story about one man who falls into the category I've already said exists. For what? You prove nothing but that you are desperate to condemn someone. Some people can't change from doing almost anything you can think to name.
 
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The exponential rate is quite alarming, however, I stand by my words, a dead predator or one that is incarcerated for life is no longer a threat.
"Six Years"
 

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I dont believe this "these people cant change" thing, and I say that because of my own testimony. I come from sexual immorality, and I can say I have left it, and I have not sought it for some time now.

Why are pedophiles any different than me? Why is this one so uncontrollable? I cant see what would keep them from leaving this, besides making the choice to act on such a thing.
 
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Talk about naïve. You had to go hunt up a story about one man who falls into the category I've already said exists.
I didn't have to "hunt" for anything. This is the norm, not the exception. Your problem, Willie, is that you won't admit that is the case with men like Raines. For every one reformed pedophile, there are 99 who are not. Unfortunately, many if not most are like Raines, instantly on the prowl the moment they walk out the prison gate or mental health facility.

You prove nothing but that you are desperate to condemn someone. Some people can't change from doing almost anything you can think to name.
You're foolish in assuming any of them can change, because most cannot, and as a result, none should be trusted, because the only method of providing them trust is to release them, and most will act like Raines.

National Institutes of Health: Pedophilia

Pedophilia is defined as a sexual interest in prepubescent children. It is empirically linked with sexual offending against children: Child pornography offenders and sex offenders with child victims are more likely to be pedophiles based on self-report or objective measures of sexual interests. At the same time, some pedophiles have not had any known sexual contact with children, and perhaps half of sex offenders against children would not meet diagnostic criteria for pedophilia. Pedophilia can be diagnosed using a variety of methods and is an important factor to consider in the assessment of sex offenders because pedophilic offenders are more likely to sexually reoffend and require different interventions. There is no evidence to suggest that pedophilia can be changed. Instead, interventions are designed to increase voluntary control over sexual arousal, reduce sex drive, or teach self-management skills to individuals who are motivated to avoid acting upon their sexual interests
The study was done in 2009. Every study ever done has indicated that a cure is elusive if not impossible. Most of those who do claim abstinence were minor offenders, not having committed full-blown sexual contact with a child under 13, and simply because some have not yet reoffended does not mean they never will.

If they go to their grave in abstinence, bless them. But they do not deserve trust. It is misguided arrogance of naïveté to think there are grounds to grant it.
 
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I didn't have to "hunt" for anything. This is the norm, not the exception. Your problem, Willie, is that you won't admit that is the case with men like Raines. For every one reformed pedophile, there are 99 who are not. Unfortunately, many if not most are like Raines, instantly on the prowl the moment they walk out the prison gate or mental health facility.

You're foolish in assuming any of them can change, because most cannot, and as a result, none should be trusted, because the only method of providing them trust is to release them, and most will act like Raines.

The study was done in 2009. Every study ever done has indicated that a cure is elusive if not impossible. Most of those who do claim abstinence were minor offenders, not having committed full-blown sexual contact with a child under 13, and simply because some have not yet reoffended does not mean they never will.

If they go to their grave in abstinence, bless them. But they do not deserve trust. It is misguided arrogance of naïveté to think there are grounds to grant it.
Broken record. You keep going back to claiming that anyone says they should be trusted to work with children. Would anyone hire a recovering alcoholic as a bartender? Of course not. I feel you are doing your same old thing of latching onto something, and claiming everyone is saying what you are imagining in your mind.
 
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Talk about naïve. You had to go hunt up a story about one man who falls into the category I've already said exists. For what? You prove nothing but that you are desperate to condemn someone. Some people can't change from doing almost anything you can think to name.

Yes one example does not speak for the whole bunch, and to say every study ever done says that a cure is elusive if not impossible is a lie and a showing that he has not broadened his horizons enough. For I have seen studies done that shows those who go through and complete the sex offender treatment program and finish it have a very low re-offense rate, and all cases are involved in the poll.
 
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Why would you not embrace them right away? What's up with that? If you're going to walk the Christian walk, then walk it all the time, not just when its convenient for you.
Part of walking the Christian walk is protecting the innocent and persecuted, so by what I said does not go against that.

It is not either overly aggressive or overly passive as the only two options !!!
 

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Indeed! Go Royals!!!! Tonight I'm wearing my 2012 All Star Game hat! :cool:
Im actually jealous of people who enjoy these kinda things. I wish I had something that I could be excited about like this, to the point that I would wear a hat displaying my favorite team :p
But I just cant get into sports : /
 
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KennethC

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You do know God says to obey governing authority, right? God ordained government. If all it took was asking God for forgiveness then we didn't see jail time then why would He create government and tell us to obey laws?
The Word of God does say that, but it also shows and says that we are to obey God over man, so if man's laws contradict God's way we are to follow His standards over the world's.

There is a number of examples in the bible from the OT to the NT where God's chosen disobeyed the laws of the land to continue to follow His way !!!
 
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Im actually jealous of people who enjoy these kinda things. I wish I had something that I could be excited about like this, to the point that I would wear a hat displaying my favorite team :p
But I just cant get into sports : /
What kinds of things do you like ???

In this day and age there is a T-shirt, hat, and other apparel for almost everything out there........
 
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Holman Christian Standard Bible
John 8:7 When they persisted in questioning Him, He stood up and said to them, "The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her.(The penalty for her sin was death. Sound familiar.)

We are called to witness to a person. No matter what their sin is.

Love the sinner but not the sin.

Try being a HOSPICE volunteer. The Spirit will send people to us. Do we turn them away??

Kefa
 
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Holman Christian Standard Bible
John 8:7 When they persisted in questioning Him, He stood up and said to them, "The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her.(The penalty for her sin was death. Sound familiar.)

We are called to witness to a person. No matter what their sin is.

Love the sinner but not the sin.

Try being a HOSPICE volunteer. The Spirit will send people to us. Do we turn them away??

Kefa
I work in hospice and the Spirit is very much in me, but I don't see the correlation between hospice and justice. God is loving and merciful, but he is also Just, and the removal of predators from society, albeit with confinement or death, is our responsibility. However its done, it should be done with love, mercy, and opportunities for them to come to Christ, yet their removal should be done nonetheless.
 
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At the risk of being different, I'll ask a serious question. How do you know who to aim those "more bullets" at until, again, you have just sat there, doing nothing, with your "righteous" gun in your hand, waiting for yet another child to be molested?

Do we REALLY want proactive protection for children... or just "after the fact" vindictiveness?
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Holman Christian Standard Bible
John 8:7 When they persisted in questioning Him, He stood up and said to them, "The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her.(The penalty for her sin was death. Sound familiar.)

We are called to witness to a person. No matter what their sin is.

Love the sinner but not the sin.

Try being a HOSPICE volunteer. The Spirit will send people to us. Do we turn them away??

Kefa
The issue is not that of "turning away" anyone. The issue is trusting a known child molester around children. We cannot do that under any circumstances. Anyone who does is indirectly responsible for what happens next.

By all means, witness to a pedophile. They need Jesus more than anyone or anything else. But don't let 'em out. The statistics are too much against good outcomes.
 
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hopesprings

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Wait....is someone actually arguing that we should trust a known pedophile around children?