Joyce Meyer's $23,000 Toilet
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J
you call it distraction, i call it refusing to turn my back on corruption. i live in this world and my kids have to grow up in it, when our Lord created it it was good. do we teach our kids right and wrong or do we let them do what they want and hope for the best.
i agree and dont care about what others do with their wealth, but i do care when Christian leaders tell their followers, seek the Lord and you will get lots of money. i think its wrong. i dont think its leading people on the correct path to the Lord and if i am right then according to Jesus its no different than killing them.
these things are serious and they are destroying our world, turning a blind eye and letting evil dooers have free reign will only make it worse.
Our hope and security are IN JESUS. And it is our responsibility to look to Him and experience that the JOY of the LORD IS OUR STRENGTH., The Bible does not say the tribulations of the world are our strength. In fact, He warns us about tribulation in the world and not to be overcome with evil but to overcome evil with good.
where did i say to shun all good things? i was trying to point out the bad things. are we not to "test all things'? our faith may be in Jesus, but does that mean we shut ouself in a box and ignore it all.
Jesus showed anger one time, the money changers in the temple.
i agree with you
L
The issue of griping and complaining and finding fault with others is they very often might not be 'apostates' and when you gripe and complain wrongly against someone, you are judging them and accusing them.,and your views will be distorted. That is the problem with griping and complaining and finding fault. That is why we are exhorted not to judge one another.
I suggest the health wealth brigade put their faith into action and stop going to doctors, hospitals, dentists at all.
The truth is if there ideas were true all they have to do is believe, which they claim they do, to receive the healing.
Some go so far as to say if they admit they are ill when they are ill they are submitting to the illness.
But they are lying, they still go to doctors, hospitals, dentists, take medicine, wear glasses, brush their teeth, eat the right types of food etc. because they know it works and their faith does not. Now occasionally the Lord does heal, they get a gift of faith, pray and the person is healed, but still they claim it applies all the time while living as if this is not true.
That is called being sensible, but preaching a lie. The problem is if they lie to this degree, maybe the whole gospel is a lie, and christians are delusional idiots, living in fairy land. Do you see the problem? Do you see what is the issue with living a lie while claiming to have the truth?
You have no integrity yourself or with others and your faith becomes worthless, because you make God out to be a liar.
God promised with the preaching would come miracles, but not healing of everything and life would be success after success. We are playing a lifetime game and they are playing to destroy the faith in one generation.
The truth is if there ideas were true all they have to do is believe, which they claim they do, to receive the healing.
Some go so far as to say if they admit they are ill when they are ill they are submitting to the illness.
But they are lying, they still go to doctors, hospitals, dentists, take medicine, wear glasses, brush their teeth, eat the right types of food etc. because they know it works and their faith does not. Now occasionally the Lord does heal, they get a gift of faith, pray and the person is healed, but still they claim it applies all the time while living as if this is not true.
That is called being sensible, but preaching a lie. The problem is if they lie to this degree, maybe the whole gospel is a lie, and christians are delusional idiots, living in fairy land. Do you see the problem? Do you see what is the issue with living a lie while claiming to have the truth?
You have no integrity yourself or with others and your faith becomes worthless, because you make God out to be a liar.
God promised with the preaching would come miracles, but not healing of everything and life would be success after success. We are playing a lifetime game and they are playing to destroy the faith in one generation.
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i agree with you, does the bible not tell us to bring our sick to the church elders and pray? makes me sad that in todays world many mainstream Christians mock the Amish,mennonites etc for not going to doctors.
whats funny is in todays world (mostly the US) we have more doctors, hospitals, and drugs than ever before, we should be the healthiest people ever, yet today people are sicker than ever. it dont seem to add up.
whats funny is in todays world (mostly the US) we have more doctors, hospitals, and drugs than ever before, we should be the healthiest people ever, yet today people are sicker than ever. it dont seem to add up.
The issue has never been about wealth, but the idea of entitlement. The aristocrats of every society have always believed God has blessed them and it is divine right. The hindus call these people brahmen or the head of God, which is inherited over many lives. Health similarly, brought as a right.
Jesus promised neither of these things, rather that eternal life transcended these principles. The picture is of Lazarus with God and the rich man in hades. And the reason? Self indulgence. The focus is on love from the heart and behaviour, which is given the stamp of approval by the presence of the Holy Spirit.
Too many seem to want the blessing but without faith or change.
Jesus promised neither of these things, rather that eternal life transcended these principles. The picture is of Lazarus with God and the rich man in hades. And the reason? Self indulgence. The focus is on love from the heart and behaviour, which is given the stamp of approval by the presence of the Holy Spirit.
Too many seem to want the blessing but without faith or change.
S
The truth is that oppressor and slave are cooperators in ignorance. I don't care if joyce meyers craps on a jewel encrusted toilet or not. Jesus still loves her. This mentality is the same one that each of us are guilty of and it pounded the nails in Jesus hands. If one understands Jewish culture...what He did in Jericho was a foreshadowing of his substitutionary death. The crowd murmured when Jesus changed his mind and stayed in Jericho with this hated man...but were ultimately blessed monetarily by His choice. Were they not?
The issue people have with prosperity preachers is their claim wealth and health are something you need to claim by faith and is not a gift of grace. In a prosperous society it is easy to preach keep the blessing you deserve it. In a poor community you are saying you are judged because you do not have wealth. Neither statement is true. We are equally blessed in both situations, but self indulgence is pre-eminent. It is simply a lie to suggest God blesses sacrifice with greater wealth, and when it fails to materialise, Jesus has failed. People are being hurt by this approach, giving to preachers not because the Lord is leading them but because of this lottery idea.
Faith is not a lottery, it is about discovering Jesus's heart and walking in love.
There are many who deny this reality, and claim to follow Jesus. Without love we have nothing. It is that simple.
But not to these people.
Joyce can have as much wealth as she likes, it is this distortion and worldly aspiration that is the lie.
One of the contributors here claimed Jesus was rich with a house and a team of support staff etc. How do they know this? Because Jesus wore a garment that could not be cut up. Jesus cared zero about wealth, he relied on Gods provision through people he met. This has been the tradition in the church since its beginning. Only now in the fabulously wealthy 20-21 century does the prosperity gospel appear, because until now it would be laughed out of existance.
Faith is not a lottery, it is about discovering Jesus's heart and walking in love.
There are many who deny this reality, and claim to follow Jesus. Without love we have nothing. It is that simple.
But not to these people.
Joyce can have as much wealth as she likes, it is this distortion and worldly aspiration that is the lie.
One of the contributors here claimed Jesus was rich with a house and a team of support staff etc. How do they know this? Because Jesus wore a garment that could not be cut up. Jesus cared zero about wealth, he relied on Gods provision through people he met. This has been the tradition in the church since its beginning. Only now in the fabulously wealthy 20-21 century does the prosperity gospel appear, because until now it would be laughed out of existance.
I 100% agree. We are just stewards of the gift of grace, a precious thing. The way some talk it is like somehow winning the lottery rather than something we need to learn to respect.
Ahab could not cope with not getting an extension to his vegitable patch. He murdered Naboth via Jezebel.
Herod kills John the baptist because his young neice dances nicely for him so he promises anything.
The desire for power, respect, status, leads to so much evil, yet christians are running to it as if it is the best gift ever.
Ahab could not cope with not getting an extension to his vegitable patch. He murdered Naboth via Jezebel.
Herod kills John the baptist because his young neice dances nicely for him so he promises anything.
The desire for power, respect, status, leads to so much evil, yet christians are running to it as if it is the best gift ever.
Seriously sometimes it seems that people on here just like to argue. This person who originally posted this discussion has every right to wonder about if a 23000 dollar toilet is too extravagant for a profession preacher to have. Jesus tells us to make friends with the unrighteous money and that it isn't even our money and those who do not Jesus says " who than will give to you the true riches" as it is written in the book of Luke. So yeah I think that is a good question. My answer would be no she shouldn't if it is the case especially if it is earned promoting a false gospel in the name of God
S
Except that she doesn't even have a $23,000 toilet...and I don't listen to Joyce...don't send her money....she's just not my cup of tea.....but there isn't a darn thing I can do about how Joyce poops. She can buy a space machine so she can fly to space and poop upside down for all I care and I still won't really give a rats dirty sphincter.