A POWERFUL testimony against Christian Patriarchy--men can NOT dominate women

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kaylagrl

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But it is good to be able to laugh at stereotypes, don't you think? For they are really only caricatures of life. If we can laugh at them, then maybe it will make it harder for those who take them seriously to do so.
I'm just going to admit there are issues going on in my family right now that ties in with both the picture and video. I'm not going to be able to see the humor in them.I just have a real burden right now and this subject is right in line with what I'm seeing. Just being honest.
 
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ladylynn

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I thought it was very funny too. I'm pretty fed up of being told how I should feel about something on this forum...you know?

which is why I posted that funny little guy

It's just really too bad when some folks think a sense of humor is somehow not Christian enough for them and they have to come along and spank you and tell you that you are a bad bad bad person to laugh at anything because they PERSONALLY are offended

I love to laugh and that video was a good laugh on either side. It was so obvious that it was a farce...exaggerating both men and women and it pointed out the extremes

yes, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA indeed ;)



I agree we have to laugh at certain aspects of this subject. :) But because of my personal experience with an overbearing, country living, deer hunting Scoifield Bible totting Christian man., the tape over the mouth picture bothered me.

And of course there are godly good men and I'm thankful to God that you and other woman and women who are about to be married can and do have a normal mutually respectful marriage. So I see both sides. There are wonderful godly Christian husbands who are examples of Christ for their wife and family.

But either way that BBC clip was very very funny ;) :cool: :D
 
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ladylynn

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I have never found such attitudes of men toward women to be funny.

I can understand that Magneta. We each have our experiences that make us see things differently. I didn't like the tape picture but had no issue with the 50s tv clip. But I see your point too. :)
 

Magenta

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I can understand that Magneta. We each have our experiences that make us see things differently. I didn't like the tape picture but had no issue with the 50s tv clip. But I see your point too. :)
Comedy is most often about reprehensible things: sexism, toilet humor, racism, crime... in short, man's inhumanity to man. Sure we can laugh at ourselves, but that doesn't make the issues go away or be funny in and of themselves. I wonder what the stats are these days? It seems violence of women toward men is on the increase. Hahaha that is so funny, right? Not.
 
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ember

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So, honestly, how would you ladies feel if the Christmas card had the roles reversed?
Feel? It would be equally offensive IMHO

I'm not about that kind of stuff at all

I know there are differences between the genders...duh...but we are all people first, at least that is how I view it

Probably in part to my dad's influence but also what I understand from scripture...you know?...neither male nor female?
 
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Only time when people are offended is that they had experienced it for themselves, being humiliated in front of their friends as a trained lap dog, that doesn't has any say so to express their own opinion, and that is why they shows love for that woman in that video because they feel what she is feeling on the inside, they feel her spirit; and that is why it says that we must suffer, because we only become mature through suffering. The only reason why Moses permitted them to divorce from their wives, because at the time their hearts were hardened; from the look of things, that they still need milk, not solid foods. And so if someone want to be born again, that they must go back in the belly for another three days and nights.
 
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ladylynn

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Comedy is most often about reprehensible things: sexism, toilet humor, racism, crime... in short, man's inhumanity to man. Sure we can laugh at ourselves, but that doesn't make the issues go away or be funny in and of themselves. I wonder what the stats are these days? It seems violence of women toward men is on the increase. Hahaha that is so funny, right? Not.


Well, in some cases like mine, I had to learn to get over myself. Worse things have happened to others and although stinking rotten things happen in life, it does no good to dwell on them and give them even more power. People go through this world in and out of good and bad so we make the decision to make lemonade out of the lemons in our life as they say.

I've seen people who have major illnesses or other bad bad experiences.,they chose to wade through and they have actually laughed in those times to the degree of a belly laughter and it did them good. helped lift the burden some for a while. Some things we will not be able to side step and have to make the best of a bad situation for a while.

Just doing the best we can and get through the next few hours is all we can do at times. I can only say this from experience and am not talking for others, but my attitude and the attitude of those around me sure did make a difference in how good or bad the AWFUL was.
 
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ember

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I agree we have to laugh at certain aspects of this subject. :) But because of my personal experience with an overbearing, country living, deer hunting Scoifield Bible totting Christian man., the tape over the mouth picture bothered me.

And of course there are godly good men and I'm thankful to God that you and other woman and women who are about to be married can and do have a normal mutually respectful marriage. So I see both sides. There are wonderful godly Christian husbands who are examples of Christ for their wife and family.

But either way that BBC clip was very very funny ;) :cool: :D
yes...I thought it was funny too but I like British humor anyway...the exaggerations etc

In my lovely first marriage, I learned to defer the anger with humor or would use humor when trying to get something done

One day I got so angry at his snarks and disrespect, I grabbed him by the front of his shirt...I'm 5'7" and he was 6'3" and almost 100 lbs heavier, and I told him to get out. I must have looked like I meant it, because he turned around and left...sadly, he came back a few hours later. haha

What got me in 'trouble' was trying to reason with it. Plus, he liked his beer too much and would come home drunk so bad he could not walk proper...I actually used to pray that the police would catch him driving drunk but they never did and he never hurt anyone (thankfully) However, he was one of those ugly drunks ... not a funny one.

There was all that and the affairs too. I would never recommend a woman stay in a marriage like that and I took it far too long.

well, I hardly think about it anymore, but there you have it
 
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popeye

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This whole thing is built on making a biblical protocal into situational conjecture.

What ends up happening with equal authority is that the man,by nature of having his authority removed,would be of course Required to relent in a DIS AGREEMENT since he WOULD NEED TO SHOW HOW HE REALLY IS A MODERN PLAYER IN THE "BIBLICAL" PATTERN.

Well here is the problem.

If we go along with this,then by this logic,CHRIST,would need to be our equal as well,since God forbid,he ever "dominated" us equals.

This is nothing more than UN biblical feminism,prettied up for last days consumption by unsuspecting Christians.

In order for the op to have any traction at all,we would need to throw out the dominion,authority,headship,of Christ over the man,in lieu of a FEAR,that some other diety was/has tainted that biblical concept through abuse of a God given protocol.
Therefore a Modern correction of heavens pattern with the "good intention" that by making man and God Equal we will satisfy a FEAR OF the obscure rareity that Proper treatment was ,in our human minds, thrown out by such abuses of Jesus and his leaders.

Which could easily be made,by forcing human reasoning into the bible.
 
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ladylynn

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I'm very thankful and glad for you ember that you have good godly husband now. :) It's kind and merciful of God to allow time to heal many of the wounds that we thought would never go away. And that we can actually laugh at some of the irony of past experiences.

I feel badly for those who can't see some things are meant to stay in the past and should not dictate our today or our future. We can always use the experiences for how to do and think better but not to derail us for our whole lives.

I think of Psalm 23 and how the Good Shepherd takes care of us even when we go through hard difficult times. He always comes through on His promises. :) And I feel like you do too about having a sense of humor. We got to laugh sometimes as much as we can and having friends to do that with is priceless!
Another blessing God gives us to get through.
 

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Well, in some cases like mine, I had to learn to get over myself. Worse things have happened to others and although stinking rotten things happen in life, it does no good to dwell on them and give them even more power. People go through this world in and out of good and bad so we make the decision to make lemonade out of the lemons in our life as they say.

I've seen people who have major illnesses or other bad bad experiences.,they chose to wade through and they have actually laughed in those times to the degree of a belly laughter and it did them good. helped lift the burden some for a while. Some things we will not be able to side step and have to make the best of a bad situation for a while.

Just doing the best we can and get through the next few hours is all we can do at times. I can only say this from experience and am not talking for others, but my attitude and the attitude of those around me sure did make a difference in how good or bad the AWFUL was.

I am not sure but it seems you are arguing with me yet I have a hard
time believing you really think that abuse is funny in and of itself.
 
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coby

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This whole thing is built on making a biblical protocal into situational conjecture.

What ends up happening with equal authority is that the man,by nature of having his authority removed,would be of course Required to relent in a DIS AGREEMENT since he WOULD NEED TO SHOW HOW HE REALLY IS A MODERN PLAYER IN THE "BIBLICAL" PATTERN.

Well here is the problem.

If we go along with this,then by this logic,CHRIST,would need to be our equal as well,since God forbid,he ever "dominated" us equals.

This is nothing more than UN biblical feminism,prettied up for last days consumption by unsuspecting Christians.

In order for the op to have any traction at all,we would need to throw out the dominion,authority,headship,of Christ over the man,in lieu of a FEAR,that some other diety was/has tainted that biblical concept through abuse of a God given protocol.
Therefore a Modern correction of heavens pattern with the "good intention" that by making man and God Equal we will satisfy a FEAR OF the obscure rareity that Proper treatment was ,in our human minds, thrown out by such abuses of Jesus and his leaders.

Which could easily be made,by forcing human reasoning into the bible.
Exactly. Total equality is nonsense. When they say equality the guy simply pleases his wife all the time or she's the boss. A wife should respect her husband and his role.
I was thinking that too about Jesus. Oh so He is my equal?
You're My friends because you do what I say.
 

Magenta

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I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead,
I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
 
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popeye

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The nicolaitian spirit Jesus addressed is abuse of authority.

Tha jezebel spirit is "women in control"

Both are wrong.

But the warning to the last days is against the tolerance of " woman rule"

Jesus is the foundation of the family and church.

Without His pattern we can build a " custom" structure.

"where do we put these heavy thick boards?"

"oh,it doesn't matter,use them for siding,they are all equal"
 
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coby

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My first husband was the boss. The second one was a feminist.
Great. I really missed my bossy ex. They let a woman do a man's job, wow thanks m8. Oh the toilet is broke. You fix that, I go buy some cleaner.
 
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popeye

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Many of you have not spent much time in Mexico.

It is,sadly,a matriarical society.

The women rule.

The man,to be macho,drinks commits adultery,and is belligerent.

The woman finds out about the infidelity,goes insanely ballistic,and he,in his shame,is " taken out"

"emasculated"

She takes control,and slowly destroys him as her " job"," god given right", and "payback".

......all the way to his grave.

The spirit behind their society.

Very real,very sick.
 
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kaylagrl

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The nicolaitian spirit Jesus addressed is abuse of authority.

Tha jezebel spirit is "women in control"

Both are wrong.

But the warning to the last days is against the tolerance of " woman rule"

Jesus is the foundation of the family and church.

Without His pattern we can build a " custom" structure.

"where do we put these heavy thick boards?"

"oh,it doesn't matter,use them for siding,they are all equal"
There is no verse in the Bible about a "Jezebel spirit" so could you let me know where you got that? I keep hearing this term.
 
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popeye

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I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead,
I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
You see that?

That is the way.

Marriage is SUPPOSED to have a constitution.

100%.....nothing

Each spouse gives 100%,and asks/expects nothing in return.

That understanding removes even the remotest possibility of friction or divorce.
 
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kaylagrl

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Many of you have not spent much time in Mexico.

It is,sadly,a matriarical society.

The women rule.

The man,to be macho,drinks commits adultery,and is belligerent.

The woman finds out about the infidelity,goes insanely ballistic,and he,in his shame,is " taken out"

"emasculated"

She takes control,and slowly destroys him as her " job"," god given right", and "payback".

......all the way to his grave.

The spirit behind their society.

Very real,very sick.


There is an in-between. Just because that society takes it too far the other way means nothing.
 
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popeye

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There is no verse in the Bible about a "Jezebel spirit" so could you let me know where you got that? I keep hearing this term.
Nor is bible or trinity.

That's like saying there is nowhere in the bible where Jesus wore a white robe,so,therefore it has to be anything BUT white,and we therefore must remove white from the table.

It is a 1000 % no brainer. A spirit operated in Jezebel.

You see a person in uncontrollable violence,you gonna say "a spirit off strife,hatred"etc is off the table?