The antichrist

Persuaded · May 17, 2016

No, you missed my point.

Jesus DID NOT build His church ON Peter, He build His church on HIMSELF, the Christ, the Son of the living God.
He used Peter and many others , But it was build on Jesus.

Jesus will never send any believer, those saved by grace to Hell.
Only those who reject Jesus will be sent to Hell.
It is not God's choice, but man choice.

I believe that the Daughter of Babylon, the Harlot of Rev. is the USA.

PlainWord · May 17, 2016

Persuaded said:

I have now twice acknowledged your point. This makes three times.

Christ build His church upon the Rock (Peter). Okay???? We agree on this point.

The Harlot is a False Religion. It is not a nation. Therefore it is NOT the USA. Rather, It is ISLAM.

Persuaded · May 17, 2016

PlainWord said:

No you miss my point.

HE DID NOT BUILD HIS CHURCH ON PETER.
HE BUILT HIS CHURCH ON HIMSELF. HE IS THE FOUNDATION, NOT PETER.

EarsToHear · May 17, 2016

The antichrist (instead of Christ in the Greek) will be Satan, playing that part. He has many names and titles.

Persuaded · May 17, 2016

EarsToHear said:

Satan will indwell the man of sin, i.e. the anti-christ.
He will be Satan in the flesh.

tanakh · May 17, 2016

jonathanbchristian said:

Unless the Pope is Jewish the chances of him posing as Israel's Messiah are slim. The RCC is already the worlds largest
Denomination with an estimated following of over one billion. How much bigger does it need to get?

Persuaded · May 17, 2016

tanakh said:

The anti-christ will not be Jewish.
He will not present himself as their Messiah nor will thay accept him as their Messiah.
He will come to power as the enemy of Israel, uniting all the enemies of Israel, with the promise to destroy Israel.
Most of the world is now anti-Israel, even our own president.

PlainWord · May 17, 2016

Persuaded said:

The passage says this.

Matthew 16:18

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

Peter or Petra is "this rock."

Zmouth · May 17, 2016

PlainWord said:

Please show me the passage in the Qur'an where it states the Christ Jesus is the Son of God.

What do Muslims believe about Jesus?

CBN.com - One often hears Muslims say: "Muslims honor Jesus more than Christians do." Moreover, you will find that Islam has a fairly well-defined doctrine of Christ. Its view is based on the Qur'an which has more about Christ than you might think. Briefly, here is what it says about Jesus Christ.

Note first of all the names and titles given Jesus in the Qur'an. Under the personal name "Isa" or "Isa Son of Mary" he is frequently called "Al-Masih" (Messiah) and at one time or another is also referred to as "the Word of God", "the Word of Truth", "a Spirit from Him", "the Messenger of God", "the Prophet of God", and "the Servant of God". He is even said to be "illustrious in this world and the next and of those nearest to God" (3:45). The Qur'an also has a lot to say about Jesus. It relates, for example, the story of the angel's annunciation to Mary that she would have a son and the story of His virgin birth, and attributes to Jesus a number of miracles (of apocryphal origin). In a word, it says about Him many wonderful things.

But what do these affirmations signify as concerns the person and work of Jesus Christ? Ah, there is the rub! They certainly do not communicate to the Muslim what they would to a Christian, who views Christ in the light of the teaching of the New Testament. For although the Qur'an speaks highly of Christ and presents miraculous aspects of His life as already mentioned, it also categorically denies two of the central teachings of the New Testament--His deity and His crucifixion--and radically misinterprets what they mean.

When the Muslim tries to put all these things together and to express what he understands the Qur'an to be saying about Christ doctrinally, the result is quite different from what the Christian understands the New Testament to be saying. Christ is seen to be a Prophet and Envoy of God of "surpassing greatness" (according to one Muslim writer), but only a man and nothing more. As a performer of exceptional miracles, he was rescued by God from an untimely end, was raised up to heaven, and (according to certain traditions) will come back to earth again--to die a Muslim! He is not the Saviour of the world, and is certainly not God, or "the Son of God".

What then about the claim that "Muslims honor Jesus more than Christians do"? Certainly, we do not want to allow ourselves to be entangled in sterile debate over who honors Christ the most. But neither should we feel intimidated. We must try first of all to understand how they come to such a conclusion. Above all we need to honor Christ by a life of genuine love and service to man which belies such misrepresentations (I Peter 3:13-15).

I provided the link to the web video where the passage in the Qu'ran is discussed. Kinda ironic they deny he is the Son of God yet call him Christ meaning Son of God.

I have never read the Qu'ran, really no sense all the the Books in the Roman Trilogy are the same just the names have been changed like in the old series DRAGNET

PlainWord · May 17, 2016

Persuaded said:

I tend to agree with Persuaded on this point. Paul says this about the Lawless One.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish...

Paul says he is "according to the working of Satan" not that he is Satan himself. The Lawless One is destroyed by Christ at His Coming as Paul also teaches.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming...

Satan is not destroyed at this point but rather chained and released 1,000 years later.

PlainWord · May 17, 2016

Persuaded said:

Now we really agree. Nothing tells us that Israel is fooled by the Man of Sin. They are not. The Man of Sin unites the Muslim world. He wins favor by attacking and defeating Israel which is the Great Tribulation. He deceives the Muslims, who of course are already deceived. The Israelis will for sure not worship the man responsible for attacking and killing 2/3 of their population.

Persuaded · May 17, 2016

PlainWord said:

Yes we do agree as to the nature of the anti-christ.
He will be Muslim because only a Muslim will be able to unite all the anti-Israel factions in a great army that will be able to drive Israel into the wilderness. If God does not intervene and protect Israel, the anti-christ will succeed.
The rest of the world will just set back in fear an watch.

But I disagree that our Lord would use a weak man as the foundation to build His church on.
When Peter acknowledged that Jesus "is the Christ , the Son of God'' that fact is the foundation.
Peter often failed, Jesus has never failed.
Jesus is the chief cornerstone, the foundation of His church.

tanakh · May 17, 2016

Persuaded said:

The anti-christ will not be Jewish.
He will not present himself as their Messiah nor will thay accept him as their Messiah.
He will come to power as the enemy of Israel, uniting all the enemies of Israel, with the promise to destroy Israel.
Most of the world is now anti-Israel, even our own president.[/QUOTE

I beg to differ

PlainWord · May 17, 2016

Hi Tanakh,

We agree on most things. Why do you think the A/C will be Jewish. Do you have a scripture that identifies him as Jewish?

Do you see him as the King of the North as spoken of in Daniel 11?

RobbyEarl · May 17, 2016

Don't want to be here to find out

DOMINICHI · May 18, 2016

The antichrist was Adolf Hitler. The beast of Revelation came and went 70 years ago.
Be glad you missed it.

Ahwatukee · May 18, 2016

DOMINICHI said:

Hello Dominichi,

Your claim is impossible of course and that because 3 1/2 years after the beast proclaims himself to be God, Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and the beast and the false prophet are both captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. In addition, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which take place during that last seven years and during the time of the beasts reign, none of these have yet taken place as well. In short, none of the events associated with the beast's reign have manifested.

tanakh · May 18, 2016

PlainWord said:

At the end of Daniel 10 it says he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant by using flattery NIV . It also says that he will show no regard for the God of his fathers or for the one desired by women. If one accepts that the God of his fathers is the God of Israel it follows that Daniel was talking about someone Jewish. I believe the AC will be Jewish because I can't imagine the Jews accepting a Gentile as the Messiah. It is true that there is no specific passage that says
he is Jewish but then there is no passage that says he is the Pope either. There are plenty of passages that call Jerusalem a whore and the description of mystery Babylon fits very well with the Jewish Priesthood down to the colours of her clothing. The title Anti Christ can mean in place of Christ as well as against him and that is exactly what he does. He convinces the unbelieving world that he is the Messiah by the use of miracles and by seeming to rise from the dead

tanakh · May 18, 2016

DOMINICHI said:

Hitler was just the latest of one of many that have come to power in the past. Napoleon was another so was Charlemagne
one could go back all the way to Nimrod. John said there were many but its the last that we have to worry about.

garee · May 18, 2016

PlainWord said:

Mathew 16 is a great place to learn about the antichrist (one the Serpent, Satan ) and the antichrists (many) men under the influence of Satan, the god of this world. Mathew 16 holds one of the main the keys to understanding. It ,unlocks the gates of hell that could never prevail against the gospel of Christ.

Sometimes its the little words like it that do the most work in helping us to understand God's mysteries that he reveals through the scriptures.

The word it in regard to what the gates of hell could never prevail against in the verse you offered, represents the faith of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God. The previous verse 17 establishes the use of makes it. clearly it was not of flesh and blood Peter. It is the same use of the word it in as it is written. Again it established the faith of Christ not that of the imaginations of men's sinful heart.

Mat 16:17-18 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

If the second it is attributed to Peter than it follows the first it .That is called blasphemy attributing the work of one to another god in the likeness of men.That is what the Catholic at all costs must do to take away the grace of God not seen and make it rather in respect to men, seen.

The idea that it was revealed by sinful Peter as that in which the gates of hell could ever resist the gospel key from opening and save men form eternal damnation .This would show just the opposite .It would show the gates of hell have prevailed by suggesting Peter is the key to salvation rather than Christ.

It in the end of the matter that portion of scripture presents a clear picture of the antichrist(Satan) who has no form, deceiving men as antichrists(many) that do have form.

Using Peter as one of the antichrists to give an body seen that men can put their faith in t. This is avenue Satan does His work in. It the same motive of operation he used in the garden to take away the faith, as it is written, that unlocks the gates of hell. God who has no form wanted men to trust Him and not learn by experience. If satan could of not taken on tha form that one could behold with his eyes .there would be no fall. The same MO continues all the way through history. Pride comes before the fall

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Peter having form being influenced by the devil who has no form.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an "offence unto me": for thou savourest not the "things that be of God" (invisible things) , but "those that be of men." Mat 16:22

That defines the antichrist (Satan) working with men as that seen to make to no effect the purposes of God.

A clear distinction must be made or we can easily find us in the place of Peter.

It provides a valuable lesson not to have the faith that comes from hearing God, in Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit in respect to any man . The things of God belong to God . The things of men influenced by the father of lies remain locked up in the gates of hell.

Seeing we are warned it offends God as clearly shown we understand it’s the gospel as the key that we heed the warning..not in respect to men seen.

1 John 2, is used to extend that warning and reveal the methodology of the antichrist (Satan) who has no form, and antichrists (many men) influenced by the god of this world as was Peter used to show it.

The methodology of the antichrist doctrine begins with a description of the tools of the antichrist (Satan the serpent) who has no form and uses that seen (men) to draw men other towards himself.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1Jo 2:16-17

Note My added opinion to make a point in (purple parentheses.)

1Jo 2:18-27 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist (singular) shall come, even now (not later)are there many antichrists;(many) whereby we know that it is the last time.They (the antichrists plural ) went out from us, but they (the antichrists plural) were not of us; for if they (the antichrists plural) had been of us, they (the antichrists plural )would no doubt have continued with us: but they(the antichrists plural ) went out, that they (the antichrists plural )might be made manifest that they were not all of us.But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.These things have I written unto you concerning "them" (the antichrists plural )that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him(Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God) abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing (Christ) teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it (the faith that comes from hearing God) hath taught you, "ye shall abide" in him.

Having the anointing work of Christ's faith, as a labor of his love that works in the heart of those who believe God, by rather having it in respect to Peter(Blasphemy) or any person shows men are already equipped to work as antichrists .It the gospel that open those gates and sets the prisoners free. Not sinful men.

The Pope in respect to Peter would simply be one of the many antichrists. Its like God new that in advance as has given us the warning in respect to antichrists in Mathew 16. The Pope (a daysman) would make a perfect picture how Satan gets his foot in the door. .

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