WHOSE WORK IS GREATER? THE FIRST ADAM'S OR THE SECOND ADAM'S?

[BeyondET]

Eve became the mother of all living

And she didn't bear only female offspring

yes your correct,,

what I said in my post 14# was to correct what I said in post 12# that satan deceived both Adam and Eve.

 

[BeyondET]

Eve came from Adam and the two were LITERALLY one flesh.
And wve could not bear perishable offspring apart from Adam

sin passed to all

i agree they were both husband and wife one flesh but the post I quoted made a statement that Eve was constituted a sinner upon Her creation as a sinner that wasn't the case at all it wasn't until the fruit eating that fleshly death to the human body came to be so.

 

[heavenly_bound]

Both Adam and Eve where at the tree together so what happened pretty much happened to them both at the same time.
To what had happened they where both deceived by Satan and disobedient to God thus death of the human flesh came to all humans because of their actions. The scripture below is the deception part that the food was good to eat and pleasing to the eye. For God told them both Adam and Eve they can eat from any tree in the garden except from the tree of knowledge.

Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

look brother, any child in Sunday school can recount the Genesis story of Adam and ever; That was a story told but as matured believers in the things of God, we have to see beyond just the narration. That is why asked you to expound on Rom 5 12-21 but it seems as if you are avoiding my question. i ask again, can you explain what wrote in Rom 5: 12-21? if you don't then i will no longer bother asking you that again.

 

[heavenly_bound]

Then why is the GOSPEL even preached
and why did HE say to those who did not believe in HIM that they could not follow HIM and if they did not believe who HE claimed HIMSELF to be they would die in their sins?

why did CHRIST say HE did not come to being peace

what does blessed are those who have not seen and believe mean?

do you think we all have to have a hit over the head conversion to get us to wake up and understand that we had salvation all along or for us to get to understand that we didn't?

HOW DID CHRIST SAVED YOU? BY DYING ON THE CROSS RIGHT? NOW YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE DAY YOU ACCEPTED CHRIST AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR, WAS THE DAY YOU WERE SAVED? COME ON BRETHREN!! IF WHAT YOU CLAIM IS TRUE? WHAT DOES THE GOOD NEWS THAT WE ARE TO PREACH TO EVERY ONE CONSTITUTES THEN?

THE GOSPEL IS THE ANNUNCIATION OF WHAT HAD ALREADY HAPPENED IN CHRIST 2000 YRS AGO. WHEN ANYONE THAT HEARS AND ACCEPT THIS GOOD NEWS, HE IS THEN SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE( Eph1:13). THAT IS CALLED CONVERSION. AND WE all KNOW THAT NOT ALL WILL ACCEPT THIS SALVATION

 

[heavenly_bound]

Just asking, but is there a part in the Bible that says that Eve ate the fruit of the tree and nothing happened until Adam ate it. Because all I know that the scripture says about it is this:
Gen. 3:6-7
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

I can't see where it says she ate it before him in too long of a period of time and nothing happened to her because the scripture says that he was right there with her. Also I don’t see that the scripture says that their eyes were opened immediately and at the same time. All I can see is that it talks about what they had done and then afterwards their eyes were opened. It doesn’t really specify if their eyes were opened at the same exact moment in time, or if it took Adam eating the fruit before Eve’s eyes were opened too.

All I know for sure is that they both sinned and were both punished for their sin, but there could be a scripture that says nothing happened when Eve ate of the fruit. I just don’t remember reading it if there is one.

HER EYES WERE NOT OPEN UNTIL HER ADAM HAD PARTAKEN OF THE FRUIT "and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened"

 

[heavenly_bound]

you are thinking only of yourself and not those who are still outside the DOOR
If all had been put back as you suggest there then is no longer a need to preach THE GOSPEL. No longer a need to listen to
HIS COMMAND to "go" and gather

THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL IS NOT WHAT MAKES THE EVENT TO HAPPEN. THE EVENT ALREADY HAPPENED 2000 YRS AGO. THE PREACHING IS THE ANNUNCIATION OF WHAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED NEWWWWWWWS!!! AND WHAT IS THIS GOOD NEWs, ""and all things are of God who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their tress passes unto them and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation (2 Cor5:-19)"" the whole world has been reconclide to God bro, we just need to announce what has already happened.

 

[heavenly_bound]

when the bible speaks of a single man in the beginning that's when Adam was alone for its not good for man to be alone thus God created the woman. Plural then there was two humans. Eve was not constituted a sinner after being created, both man and woman became sinners after they both ate the forbidden fruit.

what about the second part of my question then?
if there is no difference btwn the two Adams, why would Paul compare them in Rom 5;12-21? why would Paul say the first man Adam was a living soul but the second and last Adam a quickening Spirit?( 1 Cor 15:45)

 

[Gr8grace]

you are thinking only of yourself and not those who are still outside the DOOR
If all had been put back as you suggest there then is no longer a need to preach THE GOSPEL. No longer a need to listen to HIS COMMAND to "go" and gather

She is explaining reconciliation. He reconciled the whole world to Himself, each and every person who has ever lived. He paid for ALL sin. The ones outside the door are reconciled but they are not justified, because they have not believed that Christ has reconciled them to Himself.

reconciliation is not justification. That is why we are to preach the Gospel to ALL unbelievers.

 

[miknik5]

So everybody has the RIGHT GARMENT? They Just don't know it????

 

[miknik5]

Then all are invited to THE WEDDING?

 

[miknik5]

We aren't ambassadors for CHRIST

 

[miknik5]

We preach the GOSPEL that a man may believe and be reconciled to GOD.....IN CHRIST JESUS

But it is GOD alone who will justify one's faith if indeed they have believed the GOSPEL

 

[miknik5]

Adam and Eve were sent out from GOD's PRESENCE and covered over with a second tainted covering of skins and the WAY was blocked

Don't they need a GARMENT?

 

[miknik5]

And the first Passover?
were all the "houses" marked?

 

[Gr8grace]

We preach the GOSPEL that a man may believe and be reconciled to GOD.....IN CHRIST JESUS

But it is GOD alone who will justify one's faith if indeed they have believed the GOSPEL

unbelievers are already reconciled to God. He paid for the sin of the WHOLE world. But they are not justified because they have not accepted that Jesus Christ satisfied The Fathers justice on the Cross.

Do you witness to unbelievers that Christ paid for their sins? Or do you witness to them that if they believe God will pay for their sins?

He already paid for their sins(reconciled) but we are not justified until we BELIEVE.

Col 1:20~~New American Standard Bible
and through Him to reconcile ALL THINGS to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

2 Cor 5:19~~New American Standard Bible
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

If reconciliation was salvation..........everybody would be saved. We are reconciled as enemies, But we are not justified until we believe.

 

[miknik5]

I preach THE CROSS sir

 

[miknik5]

Are all the aroma of CHRIST
Are all not of the world even as HE is not of the world?
Have all been transferred out of the kingdom of darkness and brought into fellowship with HIS SON?
Is the message of the CROSS the power and wisdom of GOD to ALL?
Do all have a part in the FIRST RESURRECTION?

 

[miknik5]

Why is the MESSAGE of THE CROSS "foolishness to those who are perishing"?

 

[1ofthem]

HER EYES WERE NOT OPEN UNTIL HER ADAM HAD PARTAKEN OF THE FRUIT "and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened"

Might be might not be. The scripture does not say that their eyes were opened at the exact same moment. So I'm not really sure about it, but I'm not really all that concerned about it either. To me it matters not. I don't focus on Adam and his sin. I know that this is where sin was brought into the world, and for me that's really all I get out of it and all I need to know about it. I choose to focus on Jesus and his sacrifice and salvation.

So in my opinion there is no question as to whose work is greater. I believe we all know or should know that there is no greater work or sacrifice than that of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[1ofthem]

Romans 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: