WHOSE WORK IS GREATER? THE FIRST ADAM'S OR THE SECOND ADAM'S?

[miknik5]

Again. Are all washed then?
because when Paul spoke to a believing BODY IN CHRIST) since he never addressed those outside THE BODY, he said you were washed...you were WASHED...you were justified

what did he mean?

 

[heavenly_bound]

so all are partakers of HIS LIFE GIVING SPIRIT having been reborn of HIS SPIRIT they are no longer in Adam but in CHRIST?

No!! All are born again but not all are partakers! The new birth for all humanity took place at the resurrection of Christ from the death! "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who according to his abundant mercy has begotten us again( born again) unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ fro the dead..(1 Pet 1:3)".

Now one only gets to partake of Christ at conversion; after the gospel (good news) has been announced to him and if he accepts it, then he is sealed with the Holy Spirit. " in whom you also trusted, after you have heard the word of truth, the gospel( good news) of your salvation, in whom also after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 1:13)" That is why we have been given the ministry of reconciliation; to announce to all what had already happened 2000 yrs ago with them.

 

[Gr8grace]

explain to me how one can make themselves to be born again?

This is very, very clear in the Bible.

If you trust in the work of the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation. He will cause you to be born-again.

 

[miknik5]

All are born again and they don't even know it
so all are of THE PROMISED
SEED and there are none lost and scattered

 

[miknik5]

No!! All are born again but not all are partakers! The new birth for all humanity took place at the resurrection of Christ from the death! "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who according to his abundant mercy has begotten us again( born again) unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ fro the dead..(1 Pet 1:3)".

Now one only gets to partake of Christ at conversion; after the gospel (good news) has been announced to him and if he accepts it, then he is sealed with the Holy Spirit. " in whom you also trusted, after you have heard the word of truth, the gospel( good news) of your salvation, in whom also after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 1:13)" That is why we have been given the ministry of reconciliation; to announce to all what had already happened 2000 yrs ago with them.

I want to remind you that these words were written specifically to a believing body IN CHRIST JESUS
And not to those who are still outside THE DOOR

 

[Gr8grace]

No!! All are born again but not all are partakers!

This is going to throw a lot of us off here.

From my studies,Being reconciled to God is not being born-again. Being born- again is being justified and saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Tintin]

Just asking, but is there a part in the Bible that says that Eve ate the fruit of the tree and nothing happened until Adam ate it. Because all I know that the scripture says about it is this:
Gen. 3:6-7
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

I can't see where it says she ate it before him in too long of a period of time and nothing happened to her because the scripture says that he was right there with her. Also I don’t see that the scripture says that their eyes were opened immediately and at the same time. All I can see is that it talks about what they had done and then afterwards their eyes were opened. It doesn’t really specify if their eyes were opened at the same exact moment in time, or if it took Adam eating the fruit before Eve’s eyes were opened too.

All I know for sure is that they both sinned and were both punished for their sin, but there could be a scripture that says nothing happened when Eve ate of the fruit. I just don’t remember reading it if there is one.

Eve was deceived by Satan, but Adam willfully sinned.

 

[miknik5]

I am not honoring Adam. And I was never supposed to. Nor was I supposed to testify to all Adams about Adam

tjerefore I will not be continuing in this confusing discussion that somehow Christ the substitute for our sins is no different than Adam but did the better work

Adam couldn't do for Adam what only THE SON OF GOD could and did and knew that already that Adam could NOT do

 

[Gr8grace]

tjerefore I will not be continuing in this confusing discussion that somehow Christ the substitute for our sins is no different than Adam but did the better work

You really are missing the point. the majority of Christianity thinks Adam did a BETTER job then Christ.

1. Christ only died for some sin's, but Adam was wholly successful at condemning ALL.
2. Christ can't keep you saved, because our old man(Adam) is more powerful.

 

[heavenly_bound]

so all are partakers of HIS LIFE GIVING SPIRIT having been reborn of HIS SPIRIT they are no longer in Adam but in CHRIST?[/QUOTE
i thought i have answered that question. Now i will answer again, but this time by asking you a question. lets take for instance that i am your wife's friend and i asked her one day to company me to do some shopping. And while were doing the shopping she suddenly remembers that you( her husband ) have no bible of your own. Now upon hearing that, i decide to buy you a bible and your name was written on it at the shop. But for some reason your wife forgot to give you the bible when she got home. And after two yrs i came visiting you and i noticed that you are still borrowing your wife's bible to use. then i asked your wife why she didn't give you the bible we bought two yrs ago. And she exclaims; " who sorry honey, i forgot! then she rushes into the room and bring out the bible i bought for you. you receive the bible and say "thank you". my question is this; was the bible yours all this while or not? of course the bible was yours all these yrs but you just didn't know it! it is not the day you received the bible that the bible was bought for you!
Salvation of humanity occurred in Christ. Christ died for and as all men "For the love of God constrains us; because we thus judge, that if ONE died for ALL then were ALL died(2 Cor 5:14)"

if all were dead when ONE -Christ died, then it is obvious that when He rose from the death, ALL were risen in Him. However all have not this knowledge. That is why we have been given the ministry of reconciliation; to announce the "alreadiness" (actuality) of the gospel that is why at the beginning of this thread; i said that there are only two men who lived in the history of humanity;- the first man Adam and the second and last Adam- Christ. the rest of humanity is defined by these two at a given period in history. This can be really understood when we study Rom 5.

 

[heavenly_bound]

You really are missing the point. the majority of Christianity thinks Adam did a BETTER job then Christ.

1. Christ only died for some sin's, but Adam was wholly successful at condemning ALL.
2. Christ can't keep you saved, because our old man(Adam) is more powerful.

Lord Jesus!! where did you get that from!!!!!! can i know where u read that!!!!

 

[Gr8grace]

Lord Jesus!! where did you get that from!!!!!! can i know where u read that!!!!

You won't find it in the Bible. But you will find it taught in many,many churches in the USA.

 

[heavenly_bound]

You really are missing the point. the majority of Christianity thinks Adam did a BETTER job then Christ.

1. Christ only died for some sin's, but Adam was wholly successful at condemning ALL.
2. Christ can't keep you saved, because our old man(Adam) is more powerful.

on a more serious note; with all humility, this is heresy!!!

 

[heavenly_bound]

You won't find it in the Bible. But you will find it taught in many,many churches in the USA.

i still can't believe that such a thing is taught in churches!! but i hope you don't believe that or do you?

 

[Gr8grace]

[/SIZE][/COLOR]on a more serious note; with all humility, this is heresy!!!

I agree.

In the USA the majority are reformed(calvinism) or of the arminian persuasion.

One believes that Christ only died for the elect.

The other believes we can lose salvation.

From my experience, you have to search LONG and hard to find a Grace, bible teaching church.

 

[heavenly_bound]

I agree.

In the USA the majority are reformed(calvinism) or of the arminian persuasion.

One believes that Christ only died for the elect.

The other believes we can lose salvation.

From my experience, you have to search LONG and hard to find a Grace, bible teaching church.

oh sorry, i get what you are saying now lol. i actually thought you believed that lol. i am so sorry for misunderstanding you.

 

[heavenly_bound]

This is going to throw a lot of us off here.

From my studies,Being reconciled to God is not being born-again. Being born- again is being justified and saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit.

what does the term born again means, it is not because a word has been misused for long that it becomes normal. born again literally means a rebirth. the rebirth occurred at the Resurrection of Christ from the death( pls read 1 pet 1:3) and not the day when one accepts Christ as lord and savior!!! the gospel is called good news. and we know that news is an actuality. what do you tell someone who does not know Christ! don't u tell him that Christ died for his sins? when he accepts the work of Christ and confesses Him; is it at that moment that Christ died for him? is he not simply acknowledging something that has already been so?
accepting Christ as lord and savior upon hearing the gospel( that Christ died for for humanity 2000 yrs ago), is called conversion. its a conversion experience and not a born again experience!!

 

[heavenly_bound]

I want to remind you that these words were written specifically to a believing body IN CHRIST JESUS
And not to those who are still outside THE DOOR

you don't seem to get it do you? Paul is recounting to them their pre- conversion life. he is reminding them how they came to a acknowledge Christ!! look at the words closely again pls " in whom you also trusted, after you have heard the word of truth, the gospel( good news) of your salvation, in whom also after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 1:13)"

 

[heavenly_bound]

If someone does not have the SPIRIT IF CHRIST, do they belong to HIM?

why are they called the lost, if they do not first belong

 

[heavenly_bound]

That is our great privilege. We get to present the Gospel to those who don't believe.






reconciliation is not justification. we are reconciled to God, he took care of my sin on the Cross, so I am free to enter and trust in Him For my salvation.

I am not saved/justified unless I come to Him.

to add to that , we are saved, we are being saved and we shall be saved. That is the paradox of salavation