WHOSE WORK IS GREATER? THE FIRST ADAM'S OR THE SECOND ADAM'S?

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1ofthem said:
Might be might not be. The scripture does not say that their eyes were opened at the exact same moment. So I'm not really sure about it, but I'm not really all that concerned about it either. To me it matters not. I don't focus on Adam and his sin. I know that this is where sin was brought into the world, and for me that's really all I get out of it and all I need to know about it. I choose to focus on Jesus and his sacrifice and salvation.

So in my opinion there is no question as to whose work is greater. I believe we all know or should know that there is no greater work or sacrifice than that of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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you will not rally know Christ and his sacrificial work if you do not know why Adam was there in the first place. now may i know your exegesis of Roman 5:12-21 as concerns the two Adams. Thanks
 
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1ofthem said:
Might be might not be. The scripture does not say that their eyes were opened at the exact same moment. So I'm not really sure about it, but I'm not really all that concerned about it either. To me it matters not. I don't focus on Adam and his sin. I know that this is where sin was brought into the world, and for me that's really all I get out of it and all I need to know about it. I choose to focus on Jesus and his sacrifice and salvation.

So in my opinion there is no question as to whose work is greater. I believe we all know or should know that there is no greater work or sacrifice than that of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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There is something called gospel logic!!!
 
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Gr8grace said:
unbelievers are already reconciled to God. He paid for the sin of the WHOLE world. But they are not justified because they have not accepted that Jesus Christ satisfied The Fathers justice on the Cross.

Do you witness to unbelievers that Christ paid for their sins? Or do you witness to them that if they believe God will pay for their sins?

He already paid for their sins(reconciled) but we are not justified until we BELIEVE.

Col 1:20~~New American Standard Bible
and through Him to reconcile ALL THINGS to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

2 Cor 5:19~~New American Standard Bible
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

If reconciliation was salvation..........everybody would be saved. We are reconciled as enemies, But we are not justified until we believe.
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great!! That is it ! these are the responses i love to read!! this is what the gospel is all about. Thanks adelphos
 
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miknik5 said:
So everybody has the RIGHT GARMENT? They Just don't know it????
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oh yesssss!! " my people perish bc of lack of knowledge";remember! God will not judge the world bc of their sins! He will judge the world bc of their unbelieve( their rejection of Christ's work) in what Christ has done for the world.
 
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miknik5 said:
And the first Passover?
were all the "houses" marked?
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my answer is , study the two Adams; the first came destroying while the second came saving .(Rom5:12-21). And this is all of God!!! This is His plan before the world began; " lamb of God slain before the foundations of the world!!"
 
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heavenly_bound said:
oh yesssss!! " my people perish bc of lack of knowledge";remember! God will not judge the world bc of their sins! He will judge the world bc of their unbelieve( their rejection of Christ's work) in what Christ has done for the world.
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So what you are saying is that the parable of the wedding feast really didn't matter. ALL are coming to the wedding and there will not be found anyone who does not have the RIGHT WEDDING GARMENT
 
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miknik5 said:
We preach the GOSPEL that a man may believe and be reconciled to GOD.....IN CHRIST JESUS

But it is GOD alone who will justify one's faith if indeed they have believed the GOSPEL
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man is already reconciled to God in Christ! " for God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself..". The preaching of the gospel is therefore the persuasion of man to accept his reconciliation with God in Christ!!
 
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So what you are saying is that the parable of the wedding feast really didn't matter. ALL are coming to the wedding and there will not be found anyone who does not have the RIGHT WEDDING GARMENT
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my dear bro; why will you stick on trying to interpret a parable that Christ taught in trying to explain his salvific work to spiritually dead people under the law, when He( Christ) has given us the revelation of the mystery of his cross through Paul? do you really think that every thing that Christ taught under the law( during his earthly ministry) is applicable to the church (His body). how can you be talking of the parable of the wedding when the gospel has been revealed to us that we are sited in heavenly places in Christ!!
 
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so all are partakers of HIS LIFE GIVING SPIRIT having been reborn of HIS SPIRIT they are no longer in Adam but in CHRIST?
 
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So even those who don't know THE GIFT OF GOD...have THE GIFT IF GOD?

they just don't know it?
 
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miknik5 said:
So what you are saying is that the parable of the wedding feast really didn't matter. ALL are coming to the wedding and there will not be found anyone who does not have the RIGHT WEDDING GARMENT
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How can I help? No not all are coming. Not all will believe.

Reconciliation is the Father being propitiated/satisfied through the Cross of Christ.

Reconciliation~~The opportunity of salvation is open to ALL men. The veil was torn so ALL men could come to God.

John 12:32~~New American Standard Bible
"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."


Justification and salvation~~

Acts 16:31New American Standard Bible
They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
 
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Please expound 1 Corinthians 15?

If all are dead how can they be made alive?
 
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Gr8grace said:
How can I help? No not all are coming. Not all will believe.

Reconciliation is the Father being propitiated/satisfied through the Cross of Christ.

Reconciliation~~The opportunity of salvation is open to ALL men. The veil was torn so ALL men could come to God.

John 12:32~~New American Standard Bible
"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."


Justification and salvation~~

Acts 16:31New American Standard Bible
They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
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And how will they believe unless they have heard?

sp we are back to this again


Are all RECONCILED to GOD by the cross of CHRIST (therefore JUSTIFOED IN THE SIGHT OF GOD) or not?

If they don't believe that they must enter in by WAY of the TRUE VEUL then no, THEY DONT HAVE THE RIGHT GARMENT from the getgo
 
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Can anyone make what is perishable imperishable

explain to me how one can make themselves to be born again?
 
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If one died and therefore all were dead. Again how can what is dead besde alive jnless
the ONE who died for us breathes into us NEW LIFE?
 
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If someone does not have the SPIRIT IF CHRIST, do they belong to HIM?
 
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Those who come to the throne of GRACE had better have the RIGHT GARMENT
 
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What is "strange fire" before God?
 
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miknik5 said:
And how will they believe unless they have heard?
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That is our great privilege. We get to present the Gospel to those who don't believe.




miknik5 said:
Are all RECONCILED to GOD by the cross of CHRIST (therefore JUSTIFOED IN THE SIGHT OF GOD) or not?
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reconciliation is not justification. we are reconciled to God, he took care of my sin on the Cross, so I am free to enter and trust in Him For my salvation.

I am not saved/justified unless I come to Him.
 
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By the way if all were reconciled to GOD at the cross then there would have been no need for Peter to have been given a vision of a white covering with all kinds of flesh so that he would have understood that he was being sent to even the "unclean"gentiles
to preach CHRIST and H CRUCIFIED which Paul called THE WISDOM OF GOD
 
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