6000 years and the distance of Stars

[dcontroversal]

Option 3: Gap Theory - millions, billions, jillions, of years pass between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. This is the theory to which many old Earth Creationists subscribe. I have read that the problem with Gap Theory is that would mean sin existed before man's fall in the Garden of Eden. Of course sin existed before Adam and Eve. Lucifer was the first sinner, committing the first sin- pride. He fell as did a third of the angels that followed him. This happened before man came on the scene. Lucifer was the original sinner Isaiah 14:12-17 and Ezekiel 28:12-19.

Totally agree.......that he was the first.....a very interesting concept...I do believe Satan fell before Adam and Eve were created....and yet is does say that he was perfect from the DAY when he was created until iniquity was found in him...

English Standard Version
You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.

New American Standard Bible
"You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.

King James Bible
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
From the day you were created you were blameless in your ways until wickedness was found in you.


Just something to ponder

 

[Bladerunner]

Oh, my mind took off in cartoon-style. I actually pictured the earth grinding to a halt, ("the earth is not moving"), and 7.2 billion minions (those critters from the movies) floating away into space, because gravity ceased to work.

Soooo, yours is how a scientific mind takes that image? Meh. Mine is funnier. lol

WOW,,,,,,,Good one

No, the earth is not moving,,,God tells us that,,,,,\\\

Yes, the Sun is moving and God tells us that......

Yes, God stopped the Sun for a period of time ......

Yes, The moon is moving and God tells that/......

Yes, God stopped the Moon and God tells us that.......

 

[dcontroversal]

No the earth is not moving,,,God tells us that,,,,,\\\

Yes, the Sun is moving and God tells us that......

Yes, God stopped the Sun for a period of time ......Do you know where that was in the Bible.

Yes, The moon is moving and God tells that/......

Yes, God stopped the Moon and God tells us that.......Do you know where that was in the Bible


Or do you not Believe either.

Joshua and Jasher.........

 

[Bladerunner]

Its very obvious that "day" in Genesis 1 is not 24 hours.

Summary - when we read Genesis, we see it was much longer than 24 hours periods. When we look at the science, we see it too. There is therefore no reason to continue in this middle ages idea of a young earth.[/COLOR][/B]

Well,,,,, better reread your Bible again,,,,He tells us it is 6 (24 Hr) days.


No am not going to show you,,,,, but you might look in Exodus.

 

[Bladerunner]

This is probably the article you are talking about:
Russian billionaire unveils big plan to build tiny interstellar spacecraft | Science | AAAS

"A program to develop a tiny spacecraft, weighing less than a gram, and propel it across nearly 40 trillion kilometers of space to the nearest star to study any planets there.

Powerful Earth-based lasers would boost the craft, which would be waiting in Earth's orbit, with an acceleration of 60,000 g for a few minutes to reach 20% of the speed of light—fast enough to reach Alpha Centauri in 20 years."

How is he going to get through the Van Allen Belt...... 10,000 miles of Bad Stuff and heat that will melt anything we have here on earth......Temp figures are from Nasa

 

[Bladerunner]

The distance to stars is calculated using the presumed diameter of Earth's rotation about the sun as the base of the triangle (Summer to Winter). If the Earth does not move, this diameter is zero, and the calculated distance from Earth to the star is therefore significantly reduced (think smaller triangular base with same angle, smaller triangular sides).

Has anybody besides NASA even seen the moon, sun, stars using a telescope>>>>>>OR are we simply taking their word.

I like star trek also but it is not real it is entertainment, so is everything NASA tells us.

 

[Bladerunner]

I dont understand. Why would plants in day 5 be without light? Light was brought in on day or eon 1.



It is really impossible for a wild and violent cataclysmic event like the global flood to produce nice columns of strata from the simplest organisms not living later, then dinosaurs then today's animals. And not for example human with a dinosaur, trilobit with a cow etc.
The same for the plants.

Flood would produce a huge mass of mess, everything mixed together.


Ok, this is possible.

On the other hand, we know that angels were already there when God started the terraforming of the planet.
Also notice that God did not create the planet as such in creation days. They begins with the one already present.



Well, its called "more knowledge". People in the 17th century did not know much.

The Big Bang is one of the most best proved facts in the science, even atheists had to admit it (and they really did not want to, because the Big Bang says the universe had a beginning, i.e. like the Bible says).



There is no lie, the hebrew word for "day" does not have to mean 24 hours. Its a translation issue, like always.

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How could Adam get lonely in only 24 hours?

How can we see starts burning out or new stars forming?

Why are there so many impact craters on the Earth that it would wipe out all life many times if all happened in 6000 span?

Why do you even believe it is 6000 years and not 8000 years? Because of some bishop living who knows where who counted this?

????---have you seen personally those start burning out....Have you seen those new stars forming personally.........

you said:"Why do you even believe it is 6000 years and not 8000 years? Because of some bishop living who knows where who counted this?"

Me myself, I had rather believe in God than Mankind. I guess from the above you have a big problem...Believe I would be asking different Questions,,,Your Faith (rem you are not ignorant of the flat earth) is maybe slipping a little.....

 

[Bladerunner]

This discussion has been very interesting and I apologize for making the post and taking so long to get back to the discussion.
Basically it boils down to two options:
Option 1: Yahweh, who is capable of all things, created the universe to appear to be billions of years old. This would mean it is yahweh's desire to reward the gullibility of people who believe ancient texts over direct observations of Reality. It also means that Yahweh wishes to punish people who choose to believe that the facts of reality are as they appear rather than invoking Blind Faith to believe the ancient writings of superstitious Iron Age man.

Option 2: The scripture is wrong.

Keep in mind that creating the universe to appear to have age exceeding billions of years involves creating light on a transit to Earth depicting supernovas that never existed. A very elaborate trick.

You forgot one option Clinton33:\

Option 3: The scripture is Right.

It was design, written and inspired by God over 2000 years with over 40+ authors. Now this scripture every word true, tells us a story of the creation of a entire Planet, Sun, Moon and Stars and some other heavenly bodies not specified. He tells us he made the entire package in 6 (24 hr) days. He tells of a great flood yet we scoff at those words. We say they are wrong, yet, there is evidence all over for the flood.

From the Get-go because of the Free-Will he gave man, Man has rejected, made fun of his Scriptures, made Idols to worship in place of Him, etc. Mankind has and continues to scoff at God's WORD and prophecies every chance he gets.

There are some people who say He is punishing us because of what???because we do not understand the Bible,,He made it too hard, Hid too many things, etc. He is making a fool of us..

Jesus tells us we will only get to Heaven through our faith in Him. HIM includes "HIS WORD" as well. Why his word,,,,,Because it brings us that hope that there is Eternal life. The kind of eternal life we cannot find in a non-existent universe. Yet, we had rather believe in mankind's science and then give all kinds of excuses why not to believe in what he tells us.

As I stated earlier in a re-post, The deception of Man by MAN will only stop with the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. The time is very short.

One last point: We either believe in Him and His WORD totally or we do not.

The flat earth to people who are ignorant (having not heard anything about it) is probably of no consequence. However, those who have been told have the duty to like the Bible,,,,Find out the Truth as in Acts 17:11 KJV.

 

[Bladerunner]

And just to clarify, even though I'm Christian I do not believe that the Bible is the word of God. I believe that the Bible is a collection of stories put together by ancient man and it has been too heavily altered over the millennia to be completely trusted. The truth of the Lord comes through personal Revelation and not the mistranslated adulterated book we call the Bible

Then how can you believe in GOD????????// The Bible is either all correct or it is not...There is no in between. God either designed, wrote and inspired it or He did not....God created everything or He did not.... The flood actually happened or it did not. Jesus Christ was born or He did not........Jesus Christ was crucified or He was not......He died for our Sins or He did not.

I could go on......You can not pick and choose. That is what the pharisees of old did....they believed in only parts of the Bible and did not believe in the Messiah Himself even after He arose. But I guess that too makes the Bible this years book of fiction award.

The Jews were dispersed to every nation on earth because of that belief of old, 2000+ years ago or maybe they were there all the time. The Bible tells us that two/thirds of those living at the time of the End Days will die during those same end days or Maybe they will not......... You decide

The Bible tells us of a Harpazo of the believers before the wholesale death of Billions of people or maybe not....You get ONE vote.

The Bible tells us your Soul is eternal or maybe it is not.........Your Choice.

 

[Clinton33]

Thanks ;-)

 

[posthuman]

The truth of the Lord comes through personal Revelation and not the mistranslated adulterated book we call the Bible

what keeps your personal revelation unadulterated and well-translated?

if any such power exists, can that power not also preserve a message in text for all people - even those who cannot trust their own revelation?

because, Clinton, many people cannot. history shows that.

 

[posthuman]

what if the word is alive?

that very same Word

what if by it personal revelation is transmitted?

what if the One who created heaven and earth, and who created you, also created this record of words
this Logos

what if the Word is Life, and the word is alive?
if the Life is the Word?

the logos, if not the rhema

then it's more than "personal revelation" isn't it?

 

[Depleted]

Or 1001 ways to deflect when I have no idea what hes talking about. I understand you are not grasping my verbiage, my 1^164, or my understanding of the facts as I believe them to be. Everyone can't all be like me.............. Lennie's calling.

I understand 1^164 = 1. Do you? What were you expecting a long winded conversation about garbage? GIGO.

 

[Rondonmon]

This discussion has been very interesting and I apologize for making the post and taking so long to get back to the discussion.
Basically it boils down to two options:
Option 1: Yahweh, who is capable of all things, created the universe to appear to be billions of years old. This would mean it is yahweh's desire to reward the gullibility of people who believe ancient texts over direct observations of Reality. It also means that Yahweh wishes to punish people who choose to believe that the facts of reality are as they appear rather than invoking Blind Faith to believe the ancient writings of superstitious Iron Age man.

Option 2: The scripture is wrong.

Keep in mind that creating the universe to appear to have age exceeding billions of years involves creating light on a transit to Earth depicting supernovas that never existed. A very elaborate trick.

The scripture is not wrong, scripture is infallible, now interpretations and translations CAN BE WRONG. The Hebrew had under 4000 totals words, our English language has 500, 000....but we have people who actually think that day as translated in the English has to mean DAY even though the word YOME has about 50 meanings. We actually have people who think the Sun was created on the fourth day, it is utterly unfathomable how people believe this stuff. God tells us everything perfectly because God is not the author of confusion, Satan is.

There is nothing in Gods word that is wrong, there is no confusion, there are no contradictions.

 

[Clinton33]

The scripture is not wrong, scripture is infallible, now interpretations and translations CAN BE WRONG. The Hebrew had under 4000 totals words, our English language has 500, 000....but we have people who actually think that day as translated in the English has to mean DAY even though the word YOME has about 50 meanings. We actually have people who think the Sun was created on the fourth day, it is utterly unfathomable how people believe this stuff. God tells us everything perfectly because God is not the author of confusion, Satan is.

There is nothing in Gods word that is wrong, there is no confusion, there are no contradictions.

It is an insult to Yahweh to claim he wrote the bible. The bible is so wildly open to interpretation that it has resulted in over 30, 000 different sects of Christianity that disagree on just about everything in the Bible. If God is not the author of confusion and he is all powerful he certainly would not have chosen to communicate the most important message in the universe to his greatest creation in an ancient form of a language that is this hard to translate and open to so many different interpretations.

 

[Rondonmon]

It is an insult to Yahweh to claim he wrote the bible. The bible is so wildly open to interpretation that it has resulted in over 30, 000 different sects of Christianity that disagree on just about everything in the Bible. If God is not the author of confusion and he is all powerful he certainly would not have chosen to communicate the most important message in the universe to his greatest creation in an ancient form of a language that is this hard to translate and open to so many different interpretations.

Gods Holy Word clearly says ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN/INSPIRED BY GOD......The Greek word used for Inspired means GOD BREATHED !!! Jesus quoted the Scriptures TIME AND AGAIN....You actually think the God of Gods can not get His Word down on paper to give unto us ? PLEASE............

The Prophecies that come true every day proves the Holy Word is infallible. We speak English, Yahweh means God, Yeshua means Salvation/Jesus. Why are speaking Hebrew ? When we speak English ?

 

[posthuman]

It is an insult to Yahweh to claim he wrote the bible. The bible is so wildly open to interpretation

if being humanly interpreted in many ways ((notwithstanding wrong from right)) makes attributing authorship an insult, i wonder who made the stars?

 

[posthuman]

if being humanly interpreted in many ways ((notwithstanding wrong from right)) makes attributing authorship an insult, i wonder who made the stars?

He made the stars also.
(Genesis 1:16)
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oh that's right

amen

 

[Clinton33]

The only reason that you think the Bible is true is because the Bible says it's true. That is the very definition of Circular reasoning.

 

[Rondonmon]

The only reason that you think the Bible is true is because the Bible says it's true. That is the very definition of Circular reasoning.

Sure, I have been a Christian over 30 years and have the Holy Spirit. Now tell us why you think we came from a primordial soup, when the odds says that is 25 trillion to one, on top of the universe having to have a guiding hand to come into existence, else the constants are all out of whack.

One more grain of Sand at the time of the Big Bang and the universe would be impossible. The truth is, you guys are all talk, and know nothing, you live off of some "mens" opinions, who are mere men, who really think thy are intelligent, but truly aren't.