Confused got a couple questions

[DiscipleDave]

I can offer an analogy if you'd like? I am not sure if it truly does God justice, but hey, its something.

Consider the sun. One might say that God the Father is the matter/substance that makes up the sun, then Jesus is the light that emanates from that matter, and the Holy Spirit is the heat/power from the sun. All three are present, and yet one. The matter, the light, and the power. All distinct in their respective roles, and yet one.

We in our finite minds are trying to make sense of the Trinity. To us it very well may be a mystery, but have faith. You can have a relationship with God, you can hear His voice, and communicate with God. This isn't some one way conversation. He is alive, and as a believer, He is with you always. Speak to Him, and also listen. Especially listen.

Scriptures usually always interprets Scriptures. It may seem to be a mystery what Jesus meant when He said "I and the Father are ONE" But Scriptures plainly teaches us what that means.

Mat_19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

This is plainly teaching us that the HUSBAND AND WIFE, are NOT TWO, but they are ONE. Clearly a unity thing here. Hence the reason the statement came about the "the better HALF" Husband (man, male) + Wife (woman, female)= ONE FLESH.
Understand that, and you can begin to understand the Trinity.

Know you not that we are ONE with them?

Joh_17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Scriptures interprets Scriptures. The Father and Son are ONE, and we, that is to say, YOU and i can be ONE with them. We can be ONE with them even as the Father and Son are ONE, this should easily explain the meaning and mystery of the Trinity.

For me personally i do not understand all the confusion when it comes to the topic of the Trinity. To me is seems pretty cut and dry. SIMPLE even.

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DiscipleDave

 

[Cthulu_40]

It is one thing to ask questions, but it is another thing if you NOT are seeking Him and the Truth in His words.

Have you read post #149 in response to your questions in the OP?

You have chosen your nickname for posting in here that represents....



God promised those that seek the truth, they shall find it, but if you are just asking questions to dismiss answers by asking other questions, you may want to ask God if you are really seeking God to know Him through the Son or...just messing around with believers.

If it's so real and true there would be no other questions that could dismiss their answers, I have lost all faith I had in just a couple hours, I was christian when I first came here but now I am not. If I say 2×2 is 4 could you dismiss that? Also if you have an all powerful god behind you how could I dismiss your answers

 

[Magenta]

The Seven Deadly Sins:

Pride
The Nazarene was a very arrogant, selfish and conceited individual. His overwhelming sense of negative pride and self exhaltation was seen in many of the scriptures:

He was arrogant enough to insult his host and leave her with the burden of work while he hogged all of the attention, indicating an extreme sense of self importance

Luke 10: 38-42
38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.
40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

Anyone who does not love him more than their own parents is not worthy of him. What happened to honor thy father and mother? Here, the Nazarene is placing himself above the family members of his followers, AGAIN, indicating pride and extreme arrogance:

Matthew 10: 37
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. This is also the sin of ENVY- he is so jealous of anyone who might share their love for another.

That's not a very perfect life

Good bye

 

[DiscipleDave]

Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

sigh.... ..... Again NO QUESTION ASKED. Everyone here knows there is a distinction between the Father and Son, what is your question, that you go on and on about that nobody is answering?

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DiscipleDave

 

[Roughsoul1991]

1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them

2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.

3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.

Also we know that Jewish traditions for burying the dead took a very long time and Jesus was saying look I will only be here for a very short time. And some scholars believe the man's father wasn't even dead yet. Another thing we do not see is Jesus knew what was in these men's hearts and minds.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I did not start reading the Bible until I was 33 years old. My goal was to prove in my mind Christianity and Christians were a bunch of stupid hypocrites. I was so ignorant that I actually thought I was proving they were. Then I came to a spot that I knew I was lieing to myself out of pure rebellion. It was a great moment. I was so blessed yet felt so stupid. Why did it take so long? I am a slow processor anyway and God worked with that in me. God had a plan for me. It's funny, I thought I knew soooooo much but I was such a fool. I sill am growing in the spirit but I am a Child of God!

And because this happened for you, it is my hope that it happens for Cthulu_40 as well. God Bless you Brother.

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DiscipleDave

 

[Cthulu_40]

sigh.... ..... Again NO QUESTION ASKED. Everyone here knows there is a distinction between the Father and Son, what is your question, that you go on and on about that nobody is answering?

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DiscipleDave

This doesn't even deserve a responce, I've been asking many questions and posts like these are to prove my doubt amd shaken faith or are answers to answers

 

[Sully]

This doesn't even deserve a responce, I've been asking many questions and posts like these are to prove my doubt amd shaken faith or are answers to answers

You don't sound shaken, very resolute and sure of your faulty logic. What is it that can be offered to help you brilliant one?

 

[PeterJens]

If it's so real and true there would be no other questions that could dismiss their answers, I have lost all faith I had in just a couple hours, I was christian when I first came here but now I am not. If I say 2×2 is 4 could you dismiss that? Also if you have an all powerful god behind you how could I dismiss your answers

You are right, what insightful critical thought that lies below your skull.
What faith did you have that you now have lost?

You may discover that morality is truly founded on perspective.

What is the difference between murder and execution?
Justice and the law which exercises this justice.

And everything in life is balanced so you choose what you follow, love
or some self interested route. And which ever route you take it will
convince you are right.

And when the truth becomes apparent, what you have become will be
made plain.

Now I am interested in service and love. But for you accepting a gift of
love and attention is selfish and creating envy.

And interesting contribution but not exactly very astute. Jesus avoided fame
and outright declarations, because they would have made Him king and ruler.
But His objective was confrontation on ethics and authority, where he knew
they would rather sacrifice Him unjustly than face the truth of who they were.

What is also interesting is your approach. Sometimes the answers to new
approaches take thought and a reasonable time to think through the issues
which may not actually be valid or sensible.

A classic one would be to say why does God desire praise. Surely that is
vain self interest, unless ofcourse it is also real and worthy.

Or can God judge peoples lives and execute them? Well only God could really
put the case, but after seeing many cultures whose approach to justice is total
annihilation of the opposition, it is easy to see how justice can work out.
Or how many murders does a group have to commit before they are guilty?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

If it's so real and true there would be no other questions that could dismiss their answers, I have lost all faith I had in just a couple hours, I was christian when I first came here but now I am not. If I say 2×2 is 4 could you dismiss that? Also if you have an all powerful god behind you how could I dismiss your answers

Your answers are not dismissing anything. But only show a lack in knowledge and wisdom. Also if you haven't fully repented and allowed God to work in you through the Holy Spirit, then your mind has not been opened to the deeper understanding of God. It is also not hard to do your own research. All of your questions has been answered time and time again.

It really just boils down to the point who are you going to follow and trust with your soul. The Bible can has been proven and new discoveries are found everyday that only backs the Bible even stronger. Archeology, science, human culture, history, eye witness accounts and tons of historical documentations outside of the Bible backs the Bible to be accurate and true.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

He was banned.

 

[maxwel]

The OP's name was Cthulu...

that is the name of a DEMON from the Lovecraft novels.





That's why I mentioned it previously.


It's easy to tell what somebody is up to if we just pay attention.

 

[tourist]

He was banned.

I believe that by CC terminology he was banished.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Psalm 93:5
Thy testimonies are very sure: holiness becometh thine house, O LORD, for ever.

Psalm 111:7
The works of his hands are truth and judgment; all his precepts are sure.

Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Hosea 14:9
Who is wise, and he shall understand these things? prudent, and he shall know them? for the ways of the LORD are right, and the just shall walk in them: but the transgressors shall fall therein.

1 Peter 2 6-8
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Job 40:8
Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

i always did like that analogy of the Egg. If you take all three parts of that egg and separated them, you can point at each part and say "That's an egg". Love that.

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DiscipleDave

H two oh is a better analogy, because whether gaseous or frozen or melted, it is all the same elemental composition, whereas the egg yolk or white alone is not an egg, neither is an egg shell an egg

yes that is what YOU believe, but for me, it is the egg. i actually did an experiment with the egg. i took a syringe and poked a hole in the top of the egg and then i poked a hole in the bottom and sucked out the insides. to where only the shell remained. i asked people holding the empty egg "What is this" they all said egg. i also took another egg and broke it and separated the whites from the yellow, and with each one of them i asked people what is this, MOST would say "it looks like an egg". When someone takes just the yellows out of eggs and drinks them, they clearly say "i drink raw eggs" What i have seen is whether it is all together or separated people still call it an egg. God is the Same way. The Father which no human has ever seen is in Heaven. Jesus the Son of that Father in Heaven, has seen us, and humans have seen Him. The Holy Ghost is a spirit that enters into us. All three have entirely different funtions, but are ONE GOD. Just as the Husband and wife have different functions, but are ONE FLESH. Yes the egg describes the Trinity better than anything i have ever heard before. 3 separate things, yet all three called GOD. Now those who believe that Jesus is the Father, will not care for the egg analogy of the Trinity.

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DiscipleDave

 

[NayborBear]

Tis a pretty "typical" display of a progressive socialist! In the refuting of answers, and then blaming everyone save who is truly to blame, for their "feigned" failure. Yet?....It takes struggles like these, to push the pendulum from the left, more towards the center! Even though this thing called "internet" is but a "cheap imitation" of how it really is in eternity. These struggles are real, even though the medium, is not!

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Brother, all those verses contradict, because you are yet carnal, and think carnally. How can i describe it. it is like a baby trying to eat a steak with a fork? Has no clue what it is, nor how to go about to eat, nor does that baby even have a desire to eat such a thing. That baby wants his bottle, and ONLY his bottle. The only thing that baby understands is when he is hungry, he wants his BOTTLE, not solid foods. Now once you get off milk of the word and start eating meat of the Word, then and only then will you begin to understand the Word did not contradict, only the meanings and interpretation that was in your MIND that is what contradicted each other. The Word is PERFECT, it is our understanding of that Word that is flawed and seems to contradict with other verses in the Word. But read it over and over and over again, and the Truth will be revealed to you, i promise.

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DiscipleDave

Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.
Jesus says, “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”

John 5:19
The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.
Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.

Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

John 17:21-23
. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.
In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Paul declares that God put everything under Christ, except God himself. Instead God rules all things through Christ. (remember: “through him all things were made.”)

Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.
Jesus is the exact representation of his being. I send my representative to Congress. He is not me, myself. He is my representative.

Hebrews 4:15 (compared with James 1:13)
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet without sin.
Jesus has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet he never sinned. See

James 1:13: When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt.
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, “don’t call me good, none are good, only God.”

BUT

Exodus 20
I Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:

It is apparent the Nazarene is claiming he is "God." So that is contradicting:

Matthew 4
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. [Here he is obviously referring to himself]

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Titus 2
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Now "Jesus" is God?

Philippians 2
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth...

And your question is?


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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

2. Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous (acting independently or having the freedom to do so) from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will. If jesus and god were the same this would not be possible

What part of "They are not the same" are you not understanding? i will write it again, but will you hear it this time or it just goes over you head and nothing.

The Father is GOD
The Son Jesus is GOD
The Holy Ghost is GOD.

Father + Son + Holy Ghost = GOD.

If you do not agree with the above then ask a question as to what part you don't agree with.

You seem to get upset because people are not answering your questions, yet you ask no questions. All you do is quote Scriptures, without even giving a reason as to even why you are quoting them. How old are you? You seem to be very young because you are not seeming to grasp the things that everyone is saying to you. Does your Mom, know you are on the computer this late? Shouldn't you be doing homework?

if you don't tell me how old or the age range that you are, how am i to think you are nothing but a kid that lacks a great deal of understanding of the Bible? Which is apparent from the very things that you write, and are unable to comprehend, oops sorry, understand what is being said to you. Not saying these things to offend you, but would really like to know if you are kid or an adult?

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

It is apparent you do not read and understand Scriptures. Mary was impregnated by the Holy Ghost, which is God.

The Father is GOD
The Son is GOD
The Holy Ghost is GOD

They three is GOD

Mat_1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

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DiscipleDave

"Of the Holy Ghost" not THE Holy Ghost

sigh .... .. .. . now you don't believe Scriptures. Fine, i will play your game, see if you will continue to play it as well. Please explain to me what YOU think

for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

means. Will you answer, or will this be yet another question you don't answer?

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

The Father in Heaven which no human has ever seen, EVER is in Heaven. Jesus who humans have seen is the Father's SON, His ONLY begotten SON. The Father sent Jesus Christ to Earth to do what He had to do to save us. Understand?

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DiscipleDave

This again contradicts the idea that they are one in the same and jesus stating he is the father

How is the Husband and Wife ONE? If you can answer that, then you can begin to understand the Trinity. IF you can't answer that, then you are yet carnal and can't see or understand spiritual things.

Also Jesus never ONCE said he is the Father, like you just said. He said "The Father and I, are ONE".

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DiscipleDave