Honest about hell

Depleted · May 28, 2017

When I was a kid, Mom promised us the equivalent of 20 weeks of allowance for every A we got. I am very money motivated. And yet, I'm not into long-term goals. So, I'd start every quarter with the plans of studying and working to get those A's. Within two weeks, I was back to my usual standard. (Wait until the last minute to study for a test. lol)

Likewise, if avoiding hell was my purpose in following God, I'd do what my brother is doing now -- wait until I get old, (and hope I don't die suddenly), then make a half-hearted attempt to get heaven, instead of hell.

If God promised us nothing after death, I'm fine with that. I'm already getting the good deal, and it's not some highfalutin pot of gold way off at the other end of the rainbow. I already have God. I love him as much as I love my husband. I truly enjoy my time with him all the time. And, if he went somewhere, I would follow him.

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Blain · May 28, 2017

MrMoo said:

Hi mrmoo I love your avatar

What your asking is a very reasonable question, yes if you look at it that way it would appear that we are merely trying to save our own skins and in a way we are because who wants to be burning in the hellfire for all of eternity?
But that is only one way to look at it, for many like me we didn't become a Christian because of hell or fear of God's wrath of our sins, I came to him because I was all alone no one cared about me and I was seen as worthless and didn't matter and I had no meaning in my life I looked at my life and it was like trash i honestly didn't care if I died or not. I wanted to matter and to be cared about I wanted to know I was more than just a random person that no one gives a second thought about in this world. That is when I called out to him the thought of hell or even his wrath on my sins wasn't even a factor for me I just wanted to matter and to be cared about

samuel23 · May 28, 2017

Hi MrMoo: At my salvation experience God actually talked to me. I was a young fellow not quite 14 and I had never read the bible. I had asked this question of God, what do you want me to do? I was immediately engulfed in love and a voice spoke to my mind(by passing my physical hearing). The first thing He said to me was, you must accept My Son as your Savior, He then went on to explain that Heaven and Hell are real, and that in my present condition I was headed for hell. Obviously I did accept Jesus as Savior or else I would not be writing this. My point in saying all this, is that hell is real, I was not quite 14, I had never even done what most people call sin, I did not even know that humans had sex, yet I was one heart beat away from hell. Hell is a place of terrible pain and suffering and all who leave this world without real faith in Jesus Christ go there. Jesus clearly told us about the place. Why is there a hell? I don't think any of us in this world can really understand why, Jesus did not explain why, He just said that it existed and gave us the way to avoid it. It is perfectly alright for you or anyone else to come to God in order to avoid hell, I guaranteed you that God will accept such a person with open arms.

slave · May 28, 2017

MrMoo said:

Your sentence speaks loudly of your position in the flesh, "How do you Christians...," so understand you will not understand the full measure of my answer, ok? Because Scripture tells us we must be in Christ to fully understand Christ and the purposes and intentions of God, along with Spiritual truths:

John 3:6New International Version (NIV)

6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[a] gives birth to spirit.

"For the flesh desires what is contrary to the spirit, and the spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other so that you are not to do whatever you want." (Galatians 5:17).

The remarkable thing about fearing God is that when you fear God (with awe and respectful acceptance of His truths) you fear nothing else, whereas if you do not fear God you fear everything else. "Blessed is every one that feareth the Lord"; the writer of the Hebrews tells us to fear, lest forbid, there should be any promise of God's of which we come short. (Hebrews 4:1).

You see the greatest fear a man has is not that he will be damned, but that Jesus Christ will be trounced, that the things He stood for - love and justice and forgiveness and kindness among men - will not win out in the end. The things He stands for go so opposed to the dark shadows of seasons of sin, into a light that is filled with glimmering aromas of hope and love and peace. Then comes the call to spiritual tenacity, not to hang on and do nothing, but to work deliberately on the certainty that God is not going to be trounced.

Thus, you start from a premise of self-awareness concluding an end; but a Christian starts from the death of self and concludes the greatest fear in life is not a personal fear but a fear that which we have placed our hopes in; namely God thru Jesus Christ, will not come out triumphant. We reveal our fear by intense assertions that of course He will win thru. That is the curious way we are built; we speak as intensely of a position about which we are fearful as we do of a position we are sure of.

I am convinced that what is needed in spiritual matters is reckless abandonment to the Lord Jesus Christ, reckless and uncalculating abandonment, with no reserve anywhere about it; not sad, you cannot be sad if you are abandoned absolutely.

Jesus Christ can afford to be misunderstood; we cannot. Our weakness lies in always wanting to vindicate ourselves. You see after a leap of faith comes the true love relationship and family inheritance. This then is built, not of fear, but of immeasurable love extended form His hand to ours. He makes our distinctions readied and able, yet also pure and within His care.

God has taken me thru my own desires and beliefs, that at the time seemed rational, but He never went anywhere and just patiently kept calling me to Himself. I pray His faithfulness to you with come to fruition as well. May God richly Bless you.

Your sentence speaks loudly of your position in the flesh, "How do you Christians...," so understand you will not understand the full measure of my answer, ok? Because Scripture tells us we must be in Christ to fully understand Christ and the purposes and intentions of God, along with Spiritual truths:

John 3:6New International Version (NIV)

6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[a] gives birth to spirit.

Also; "For the flesh desires what is contrary to the spirit, and the spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other so that you are not to do whatever you want." (Galatians 5:17).

The remarkable thing about fearing God is that when you fear God (with awe and respectful acceptance of His truths) you fear nothing else, whereas if you do not fear God you fear everything else. "Blessed is every one that feareth the Lord"; the writer of the Hebrews tells us to fear, lest forbid, there should be any promise of God's of which we come short. (Hebrews 4:1).

You see the greatest fear a man has is not that he will be damned, but that Jesus Christ will be trounced, that the things He stood for - love and justice and forgiveness and kindness among men - will not win out in the end. The things He stands for go so opposed to the dark shadows of seasons of sin, into a light that is filled with glimmering aromas of hope and love and peace. Then comes the call to spiritual tenacity, not to hang on and do nothing, but to work deliberately on the certainty that God is not going to be trounced.

Thus, you start from a premise of self-awareness concluding an end; but a Christian starts from the death of self and concludes the greatest fear in life is not a personal fear but a fear that which we have placed our hopes in; namely God thru Jesus Christ, will not come out triumphant. We reveal our fear by intense assertions that of course He will win thru. That is the curious way we are built; we speak as intensely of a position about which we are fearful as we do of a position we are sure of.

I am convinced that what is needed in spiritual matters is reckless abandonment to the Lord Jesus Christ, reckless and uncalculating abandonment, with no reserve anywhere about it; not sad, you cannot be sad if you are abandoned absolutely.

For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. (Matthew 16:25).

samuel23 · May 28, 2017

In this world we live in we have the most sad situation imaginable, a world where the mass of humanity has been indoctrinated into rejecting the concept of hell, even to a large degree the concept of God. In our world people are not taught to fear hell, we are taught that achieving some great quest in this life is what matters most of all, and that the after life(if there is one) will take care of itself. That is the human attitude of this world, however God has a different attitude, He says that whoever comes into this world and reaches the age of accountability must accept Jesus as Savior and live a life committed to God, or else be cast into hell when their time in this world is up. Only those who die and leave this world know the truth, that they were deceived in this life into ignoring God and Heaven and Hell.

slave · May 28, 2017

slave said:

Your sentence speaks loudly of your position in the flesh, "How do you Christians...," so understand you will not understand the full measure of my answer, ok? Because Scripture tells us we must be in Christ to fully understand Christ and the purposes and intentions of God, along with Spiritual truths:

John 3:6New International Version (NIV)

6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[a] gives birth to spirit.

"For the flesh desires what is contrary to the spirit, and the spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other so that you are not to do whatever you want." (Galatians 5:17).

The remarkable thing about fearing God is that when you fear God (with awe and respectful acceptance of His truths) you fear nothing else, whereas if you do not fear God you fear everything else. "Blessed is every one that feareth the Lord"; the writer of the Hebrews tells us to fear, lest forbid, there should be any promise of God's of which we come short. (Hebrews 4:1).

You see the greatest fear a man has is not that he will be damned, but that Jesus Christ will be trounced, that the things He stood for - love and justice and forgiveness and kindness among men - will not win out in the end. The things He stands for go so opposed to the dark shadows of seasons of sin, into a light that is filled with glimmering aromas of hope and love and peace. Then comes the call to spiritual tenacity, not to hang on and do nothing, but to work deliberately on the certainty that God is not going to be trounced.

You start from a premise of self-awareness concluding a common sense thought; but a Christian starts from the death of self and concludes the greatest fear in life is not a personal fear but a fear that which we have placed our hopes in; namely God thru Jesus Christ, will not come out triumphant. We reveal our fear by intense assertions that of course He will win thru. That is the curious way we are built; we speak as intensely of a position about which we are fearful as we do of a position we are sure of.

I am convinced that what is needed in spiritual matters is reckless abandonment to the Lord Jesus Christ, reckless and uncalculating abandonment, with no reserve anywhere about it; not sad, you cannot be sad if you are abandoned absolutely.

Jesus Christ can afford to be misunderstood; we cannot. Our weakness lies in always wanting to vindicate ourselves. You see after a leap of faith comes the true love relationship and family inheritance. This then is built, not of fear, but of immeasurable love extended form His hand to ours. He makes our distinctions readied and able, yet also pure and within His care.

God has taken me thru my own desires and beliefs, that at the time seemed rational, but He never went anywhere and just patiently kept calling me to Himself. I pray His faithfulness to you with come to fruition as well. May God richly Bless you.

For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. (Matthew 16:25).

My post repeated some of the things I posted; I corrected it hopefully. Sorry...

resurrection33 · May 28, 2017

MrMoo said:

If we commit certain acts, which are called "sins," our lives become miserable. Knowing this, Jesus told us not to commit those acts. Those were his commandments. If we obey him, we spare ourselves immeasurable trouble.

MattforJesus · May 28, 2017

MrMoo said:

Psa 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Pro 2:1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
Pro 2:2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
Pro 2:3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
Pro 2:4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
Pro 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

But,But,

While some may say that the concept of hell causes people to only acknowledge God to save their necks,would people follow God if there was no hell,or the belief that there is no hell.

Look at today with so many people that do not believe in the concept of hell,whether they claim God or not,and what do you see.

You see people not acknowledging God,people claiming Christ sinning,being hypocritical,and with that attitude they display because they have no belief in hell means they are not right with God,and shall perish,which God says,My people perish for lack of knowledge.

The fear of the LORD is something we have to give heed to,for it is a fearful thing to fall in to the hands of the living God,and the fear of the LORD is to depart from evil,but a lot of people do not fear the LORD,which equals a lot of people lost,but if they had the right concept of hell they would of buckled down,and walked the straight path.

But we are at the end time,with much deception,new age movement,Christian Science,Scientology,Evolution,and things like that,all in an attempt to cause the world to eventually embrace that there is no God,and mankind can achieve peace by their own methods,the beast kingdom,based on the occult,and spiritual evolution,honoring no God,but honoring the God of forces,or the power of nature as their God.

They will take away the fear of the LORD,and the concept of a God,in the beast kingdom,no God to fear,no God to offend,no God that will judge,and the world will be the most wicked that it has ever been in the entire history of mankind,and will make the wickedness of the people prior to the flood look like unruly school children that will not drink their milk,and make Hitler look like a toddler writing on the wall with a crayon,for the past people have nothing in wickedness compared to the people at the future beast kingdom.

Because once they take the mark of the beast,repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to the world,and God not in their life even in the least sense to calm the savage beast,and they will have the nature of the devil,and their human well being vanished.

But God said,when He goes against them,He will not meet them as a man,and says,use your witchcraft,and your soceries,and your occult ways,and see if thou mayest propser when I go against you.

For it is a fearful thing to fall in to the hands of the living God,and the concept of no hell adds to the list of people lost,for they do not have fear of the LORD,therefore causes many people to engage in sin without worry and fear.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Even the saints have to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling,but today people are taking things lightly,and the future will suffer because of it.

MrMoo · May 28, 2017

I'll try to get to all of you soon it's 1.40 am now.

Blain · May 28, 2017

MrMoo said:

no worries it's not easy being popular is it?

BillG · May 28, 2017

Blain said:

I wouldn't know

Mind you my dogs like me.

garee · May 28, 2017

samuel23 said:

I would agree . I see that as Jonah’s so also like Christ’s... both suffering a “living suffering” (hell) suffering in the life of a spirit, in jeopardy of their own spirit life. Their prayers were answered.

Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.Jon 2:1

The belly of hell is also refered to as the heart of the earth. (living sacrifice) . We are let the dead bury the dead.

valiant · May 28, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

The devil and the beast are thrown into it alive, but the human beings are thrown into it DEAD. There must be a reason for the distinction. The former receive endless torment. Nothing is said about the latter.

Death and the grave are thrown in to be destroyed, Why not the dead? I challenge you to produce any Scripture which says that the dead will be eternally conscious and aware. No such idea is found.

who said so? and where?

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who said so?. Jesus spoke of eternal destruction.

At last something o which we can agree. LIFE means consciousness,

And will be punished for them and then will be eternally destroyed,

garee · May 28, 2017

While its not a salvation issue .its a doctrine I have re-visited .What you offered is one way of interpreting what I would consider a parable. Parables “demonstrate” (as you mentioned)… using the things of this corrupted world as that seen (temporal) to give us the spiritual understanding (the law of faith), not seen.

The gospel is hid from those who have not the Spirit of Christ, the gospel is revealed to encourage us to continue to walk by faith, the unseen eternal. I think searching for the spiritual understanding is not something we should avoid looking into. Even though some say if the literal makes sense don’t look for the gospel message hidden.

I would think the “resurrected body” as having a resurrected spirit, as a new spirit that could never die. A body without a spirit is like faith is with works. A dead body.... the first death shows there is no spirit life. The spirit life of the flesh is in the blood but is not of the literal blood, but is of the spirit essence of life not seen.

It would be in respect to the new bodies (incorruptible) not subject to aging, in a decaying process leading to death and total destruction. These bodies of death will return to the dust from where they were taken from, there will be no corrupted rudiment to resurrect. We do not know Christ after the rudiments of this world

Remember all Israel is not Israel as the one bride of Christ. I believe the Holy Spirit below is speaking to the ones who have been given ears to hear what the Spirit says to the believers, not what the flesh says to the corrupted flesh. The man without the Spirit of Christ (Emanuel) is not given the understanding not seen.(the law of faith)

Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.( the heavenly Jerusalem prepared as His eternal bride, as the mother of us all who do have the Spirit of Christ in them )Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all our filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. ze 36:22
Either he does all the work of salvation or he perform nothing, He is not served by the will'hands of man as if he nedeed something from the clay he is forming Christ in.

In respect to the unrighteous dead which you suggested will be resurrected. Would that be the same bodies that returned to the dust from where they were formed as beast of the field in regard to the first death, (bodies of death ) Therefore proving a person was under the wrath or tribulation of God. This is shown by the nature of corruption, revealed from heaven?

I think that wrath is being revealed. Just as it is written, the same kind of wrath/tribulation the father inflicted upon the Son, by whose wounds we are healed having passed from death to eternal life, the second death, never again to rise to new incorruptible spirit life

New bodies that are not subject to corruption need new spirits or there is no rising .I would thin a person can’t have one without the other. No spirit no raising. We all stand as Lazarus dead with no way of responding the quailifier the word of God giving the dead ears to hear what te Spirit is saying. A perfect parable of the second and final ressurection.

Its a living suffering as was Christ’s and Jonahs the dead know nothing the memory of the things under the sun will never again be remembered. This show the mercy of God. Some will receive a new spirit as the essence of life .

Yes Jonas and Christ requred a conscious awareness (a living sacrifice)

es the dead know nothing… its universal Alzheimer’s for those who have left this realm under the sun. God is a God of Mercy .He will not punish those whom he decided not o to have mercy on.

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. Ecc 9:5

Rockrz · May 28, 2017

Some are saved thru fear initially... but if they learn to get to know the Lord and walk with Him... they will soon find out why they were created which is to be in fellowship with the Father thru Jesus by the Holy Ghost based on God's written Word.

There's so much more about being a Christian than just missing hell, although some start off there.

I know I did as a kid... people kept telling me to "go to hell" so I figured that couldn't be good...

Grandpa · May 28, 2017

Hell is a place for bad people.

Most people don't think they are bad. Even if they aren't saved they still think they are good enough to escape hell.

So even most Christians don't really realize they escaped hell by being saved until after they are saved.

If more people were really afraid of hell then more people would seek the Lord and become Christians. But that mostly is not the case.

Rockrz · May 28, 2017

That's true gramps!

imfinallyfree · May 28, 2017

I figure that at least I'm honest enough and aware of my limitations so that I follow the advice of God because I don't want to go to hell forever...that is...the number 1 deciding factor for me.

A question for those that follow God because they "love" Him,what is it about Him that you love so much?

Is it the world that He created that is so evil that it is destroying itself? Is it the fact that He never steps in and helps any individuals? Like children dying of painful diseases?

I seriously would like to hear how He is just so lovable.

Grandpa · May 28, 2017

imfinallyfree said:

Because He Loved us First by sending His Son to be a Sacrifice for our sins.

He Saved us and caused us to be Righteous before Him just because we asked. We didn't deserve it.

Blain · May 28, 2017

It's true that people don't really fear hell or else they would seek salvation i was among that group as I was not afraid of hell nor was it even on my mind when I sought after God, however the problem with fear of hell is that some people are unfortunate enough to never get past that fear thus never knowing God and then becoming the you all going to hell pointing every sin out and hysterical doom and gloom preacher

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