Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues

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miknik5

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It seems people are dancing around giving a straight yes or no answer to this simple question.
1 John 2 and 2 John 1 should be read together
its the difference between those who REMAIN IN HIM and those who "go out" from HIM

and if you are able to discern by their actions and professions then you would be able to discern that by their "going out" they make manifest that they were never "in"
 

miknik5

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Every one should judge themselves to see what they are truly "standing on"
 

stonesoffire

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We?
no we're not

you might also want to review 1 Corinthians 3

try laying another FOUNDATION then the one laid

it will be seen for what it is

manmade toil
You are right. Shouldn't of used the word "we". We declare it. Whom shall this generation declare?
 

stonesoffire

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Services Miknik as I was using it...church services. Paul did design the order for the Corinthians. I think most were just fellowships in homes.

Offices are the same. It hasn't changed. Prophets, Apostles, Teachers, Evangelists, and Pastors.

Now, most are just bible studies which we need. But, we also need Holy Spirit to move in our midst. And we need to increase within...otherwise we are just natural men with knowledge in our head. Become what He has given us...Spiritual men and women.

Sorry but is truth.
 
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Are tongues not a physical supernatural gift of the Holy Spirit? If so, should those who claim to have this ability be challenged? Yes or No.

No, prophesying, the spiritual non physical is the supernatural gift .It is after no man. Tongues are a sign of those who rebel against prophecy by and through the oral traditions of men,

God promised "this people",(not His people the elect) that he would speak by prophesying using other nations other than the Jewish nation . Yet "they" will not hear the prophecy, propheises against them .

In the law is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto "this people"; and yet for all that will "they" not hear me, saith the LORD…..Wherefore tongues are for a “sign”, not to them that "believe", but to them that "believe" not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1Co 14:21

No sign and no need as evidence a person has the Holy Spirit of Christ, for those who walk by faith the unseen according to a living hope that could never die.
 

CS1

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Give me an example of how you would or have challenged the Mormon claims of supernatural abilities?

hey DJ2 you somewhat changed the question :) are to talking about challenging Mormons now? I would say NO to that they are a cult theologically we are to leave them alone or witness Christ to them which they deny him anyway.
 
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Give me an example of how you would or have challenged the Mormon claims of supernatural abilities?
The scripture challenges and thus opposes the origin of Mormonism.

Angel Moroni

The angel Moroni is the heavenly messenger who first visited the Prophet Joseph Smith in 1823. As a mortal named Moroni 2, he had completed the compilation and writing of the Book of Mormon. He ministered to Joseph Smith as a resurrected being, in keeping with his responsibility for the Book of Mormon, inasmuch as "the keys of the record of the stick of Ephraim" had been committed to him by the Lord (D&C 27:5).
Galatians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.[SUP]9 [/SUP]As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Ask yourself this question; for all the speaking in tongues supposedly done in Mormonism and even done in Catholicism, do you really think the Lord Jesus Christ would not correct anything about Mormonism or even Catholicism through the Holy Spirit during all that time they were using tongues?

Mormonism explains that God's gift of tongues are speaking a foreign language,

https://ldsblogs.com/9576/mormon-q-and-a-do-mormons-speak-in-tongues

But they get around tongues without interpretation by citing it can also be a language of angels.

https://mormonhub.com/blog/faith/how-do-you-receive-the-tongue-of-angels/

Regardless, I believe God's gift of tongues is just for speaking unto the people and that is why it has to come with interpretation for it cannot be used for anything else for that tongue to be of Him.

When the origin of Mormonism has been exposed as not of Him by the scripture, then what value is that tongue?
 
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11 simple questions for those wishing to inform and share with all of us visiting this thread about the spirit that causes you to speak,pray, and sing in tongues.

Matthew 5:42
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Does the spirit you boast about here convict the world concerning sin because the world does not trust/believe in Jesus Christ?

Does the spirit you boast about here show gladness?

Does the spirit you boast about here speak on it's own?

Does the spirit you boast about here speak in a unknown language to you?

Does the spirit you boast about here give your mind a deeper understanding of God's Word?

Does the spirit you boast about here speak truth and nothing but the truth?

Does the spirit you boast about here show partiality to certain members within the body of Christ?

Does the spirit you boast about here glorify Jesus Christ?

Does the spirit you boast about here cause you to be patient?

Does the spirit you boast about here bring peace?

Also, if possible, can you share with us how you received the spirit that you boast about here.
 

DJ2

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No, prophesying, the spiritual non physical is the supernatural gift .It is after no man. Tongues are a sign of those who rebel against prophecy by and through the oral traditions of men,

God promised "this people",(not His people the elect) that he would speak by prophesying using other nations other than the Jewish nation . Yet "they" will not hear the prophecy, propheises against them .

In the law is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto "this people"; and yet for all that will "they" not hear me, saith the LORD…..Wherefore tongues are for a “sign”, not to them that "believe", but to them that "believe" not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1Co 14:21

No sign and no need as evidence a person has the Holy Spirit of Christ, for those who walk by faith the unseen according to a living hope that could never die.
So tongues are not a physical supernatural ability. Then what are they?
 

DJ2

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11 simple questions for those wishing to inform and share with all of us visiting this thread about the spirit that causes you to speak,pray, and sing in tongues.

Matthew 5:42
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Does the spirit you boast about here convict the world concerning sin because the world does not trust/believe in Jesus Christ?

Does the spirit you boast about here show gladness?

Does the spirit you boast about here speak on it's own?

Does the spirit you boast about here speak in a unknown language to you?

Does the spirit you boast about here give your mind a deeper understanding of God's Word?

Does the spirit you boast about here speak truth and nothing but the truth?

Does the spirit you boast about here show partiality to certain members within the body of Christ?

Does the spirit you boast about here glorify Jesus Christ?

Does the spirit you boast about here cause you to be patient?

Does the spirit you boast about here bring peace?

Also, if possible, can you share with us how you received the spirit that you boast about here.
So a physical supernatural event is deemed real if the proper answer is given to these questions?
 
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11 simple questions for those wishing to inform and share with all of us visiting this thread about the spirit that causes you to speak,pray, and sing in tongues.

Matthew 5:42
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Does the spirit you boast about here convict the world concerning sin because the world does not trust/believe in Jesus Christ?

Does the spirit you boast about here show gladness?

Does the spirit you boast about here speak on it's own?

Does the spirit you boast about here speak in a unknown language to you?

Does the spirit you boast about here give your mind a deeper understanding of God's Word?

Does the spirit you boast about here speak truth and nothing but the truth?

Does the spirit you boast about here show partiality to certain members within the body of Christ?

Does the spirit you boast about here glorify Jesus Christ?

Does the spirit you boast about here cause you to be patient?

Does the spirit you boast about here bring peace?

Also, if possible, can you share with us how you received the spirit that you boast about here.
So a physical supernatural event is deemed real if the proper answer is given to these questions?
Just questions to bring clarity to all, if they are to challenging for you to answer perhaps another will be able to answer them.
 

DJ2

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hey DJ2 you somewhat changed the question :) are to talking about challenging Mormons now? I would say NO to that they are a cult theologically we are to leave them alone or witness Christ to them which they deny him anyway.
Does it matter who is claiming the false gifts? A lie is a lie no matter which group speaks it? The question that is danced around is still the same, should claims of physical supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit be either ignored, accepted or challenged?
 

CS1

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Does it matter who is claiming the false gifts? A lie is a lie no matter which group speaks it? The question that is danced around is still the same, should claims of physical supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit be either ignored, accepted or challenged?
no it doesn't because false is false but the definition of what is false does seem to very with some. I did answer your question to that I don't know if you saw that :) not that you have to agree with it :)
 

DJ2

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Just questions to bring clarity to all, if they are to challenging for you to answer perhaps another will be able to answer them.
Your questions can be answered many ways by different people using different rules of logic. Can not the physical supernatural act in question be challenged itself? Must we question the motives of the claimant to proof the reality of the act?
 

RickyZ

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You have your bias and I have mine.

No point in arguing.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Wow. You admit that you're biased. Almost repped you just for being honest for once
 

DJ2

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no it doesn't because false is false but the definition of what is false does seem to very with some. I did answer your question to that I don't know if you saw that :) not that you have to agree with it :)
Please point out your answer, I must have missed it.
 

RickyZ

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Many times when I see tongues being spoken by one or more and each utterance interpreted by the same person, I wonder if the spirit speaking giving the utterance of the tongue is of God or of Satan. A few years ago God lead me to this scripture.

1Jonn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Suggestion. Speak your favorite scripture in a your favorite language. If it is interpreted correctly, or no one attempts to interpret it, the Holy Spirit is the one interpreting the spoken tongues. If it is interpreted incorrectly, flee the tongues venue.

Don't take me wrong. I believe that Holy Spirit still uses tongues. I also know that Satan is just as adept at using them. I caution all to beware of Satanic utterances masked as tongues in your gatherings.
Very true. There should be no doubt that satan fakes tongues. The key is, satan doesn't fake anything of God that isn't real.
 
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Your questions can be answered many ways by different people using different rules of logic. Can not the physical supernatural act in question be challenged itself? Must we question the motives of the claimant to proof the reality of the act?
Once again,.......Just questions to bring clarity to all.
See here.......

Ephesians 4:4

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
 

Kavik

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Suggestion. Speak your favorite scripture in a your favorite language. If it is interpreted correctly, or no one attempts to interpret it, the Holy Spirit is the one interpreting the spoken tongues. If it is interpreted incorrectly, flee the tongues venue.

How exactly would one do this since there is no direct correlation between tongues-speech and real language?? You can't 'translate' English (or whatever language you speak) into T-speech any more than you can take a 'word' of T-speech and give a direct 'translation' of it in English.

Or do you mean speak in in a real foreign language you happen to know no one there speaks and see what happens??