The “I Wills” of God

[BeyondET]

This is like saying you have a porn addiction and God brings a porn actress into your life to tell you to stop watching porn....

Another dark comment, is this what you battle with Mr.

 

[BeyondET]

BeyondET is stating that God will use anyone to speak to you.....there are passages in the Bible that refute this soundly....I am using alarming examples to bring attention to this fact....if that is troublesome....so be it....

The examples show his absurd statements....Yeah so God would use a witch to tell you about Jesus....

I've seen a many of twisters, your not the first,

 

[BeyondET]

Well said..

There will always be those that oppose the message of the grace of God in Christ's work and either will attack the one sending the message and completely miss the reality of the faithfulness of God in our lives.

It is usually those that think we need to work for our salvation in some form or other or we will lose salvation that love to use the derogatory term "hyper-grace" or "greasy-grace" or "easy believism". These do not like some aspect of the grace of God in Christ's finished work because it "conflicts" with their church teachings and traditions.

The other group are the law-keepers - those that believe we live by the 10 commandments ( with all it's many side dished - like keep the Sabbath as in the Old Testament or you are sinning types )

Ironically both groups are eating the fruit from the very same tree that has been released into the world from Adam's transgression. We Christians eat from the tree of Life which is Christ Himself and His life will manifest as we feed Christians the proper nutrients of His love and grace.

Then people of the world will see real love being exhibited towards them that will reveal our loving Father's and Lord's love and grace towards them - when they hear the "I will's" of our Lord.

This part is true and it is this part that can be a stumbling block to those of us that think we must "work" and keep ourselves saved. Christ Himself and His work is always a stumbling block to those of us in works-righteousness.

What the Lord requires, He provides. This is the lesson of the new covenant and we need to learn it. Everything you need – salvation, holiness, righteousness – He freely supplies according to the riches of his grace in Christ Jesus.

Thanks G777, I agree good words,

I've looked into these so new flashy words hyper grace and the like, there just club words to beat people over the head with, folks who can't quite understand a person talking about grace, they got to have their grace with gravy or something odd indeed.

No where in your opening post was there any mentioning of people can go on sinning and it's ok that is the bases of the so called hyper grace movement. basically I think the odd post that where posted is probably someone with a chip on the shoulder and can't help them selves but to be negative.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Amen..I boldly stand against the Judaizer spirit that tries to deceive us Christians that have put our faith in Christ's work alone.

Hi Grace777,

So in your opinion I am deceiving others and if someone does not believe as you do they are not a Christian? I will leave that comment between you and God. How about we start with this question as you have just accused me as trying to deceive "Christians". Now that you have accused me of the above, please can you show me specifically how I am deceiving anyone?

 

[Stephen63]

What you do is live by your interpretation of the word.

What would be sad is if you end up in hell, only because you had a hate fpr a group of people so severe, you would make sure everything they said was false, even if it lined with the word of God.

If we take every group of people who are christian, and took all their beliefs together, we would see there are many areas where they all agree, and yet many where they do not agree.

according to you that could not be true, You need to study more,

So, you continue to stand for a false teacher that teaches easy believeism, the Prosperity gospel, & WOF all at once & fight with a brother that stands against it?

These are all MAJOR FALSE DOCTRINES,not little differences.

Romans 16
17And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people. 19But everyone knows that you are obedient to the Lord. This makes me very happy. I want you to be wise in doing right and to stay innocent of any wrong. 20The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. May the grace of our Lord Jesus[SUP]g[/SUP] be with you.

Joseph Prince is clearly one of those people. So are you for taking your stand with him.

He who stands with a heretic, fights for a heretic, & teaches the doctrine of a heretic is a heretic himself.

 

[Grace777x70]

...........................this is just a pile of this...evidence of a malice-filled thought life of someone that has a different view of the grace of God and that actually believes that we live by the grace of God in Jesus' finished work on the cross.

 

[Stephen63]

Does this go for you too?

You tried to prove hypergrace gospel was heresy, you utterly miserably failed, Yet you still judge it as heresy, Does this not make you yourself a heretic?


granted the WOF aspect of the group is shown to be lacking, but the gospel part is not, But you want to shame a whole group because you hate WOF. and it gave you a greater argument to use against the teachers of grace alone also.

And there you go. the red shows he believes hypergrace & is fighting for it.

The next paragraph shows his feelings towards WOF.

No need to state the obvious.

 

[Grace777x70]

Thanks G777, I agree good words,

I've looked into these so new flashy words hyper grace and the like, there just club words to beat people over the head with, folks who can't quite understand a person talking about grace, they got to have their grace with gravy or something odd indeed.

No where in your opening post was there any mentioning of people can go on sinning and it's ok that is the bases of the so called hyper grace movement. basically I think the odd post that where posted is probably someone with a chip on the shoulder and can't help them selves but to be negative.

It's best to just ignore them and do what Paul says to do. I treat some of their posts like I do the porn ads that pop up once in awhile on my PC.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

 

[LoveGodForever]

So, you continue to stand for a false teacher that teaches easy believeism, the Prosperity gospel, & WOF all at once & fight with a brother that stands against it?
These are all MAJOR FALSE DOCTRINES,not little differences.
Romans 16
17And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people. 19But everyone knows that you are obedient to the Lord. This makes me very happy. I want you to be wise in doing right and to stay innocent of any wrong. 20The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. May the grace of our Lord Jesus[SUP]g[/SUP] be with you.
Joseph Prince is clearly one of those people. So are you for taking your stand with him.
He who stands with a heretic, fights for a heretic, & teaches the doctrine of a heretic is a heretic himself.

Hi Stephen63,

I don't know much about these people your talking about above, but I know one thing God's Word tells us if the "Gospel" you believe in has no power to change your life it is not the Gospel of Christ. It is spoken about here....

Rom 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

2Co 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Eph 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true8 holiness.

1Th 4:7
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Heb 12:10
For they verily for a few days chastened us after2 their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

1Pe 1:16
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Heb 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

2Ti 3:5
(Those that have the false Gospel are those that are) Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

God bless

 

[BeyondET]

It's best to just ignore them and do what Paul says to do. I treat some of their posts like I do the porn ads that pop up once in awhile on my PC.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Yes sir, your right as the bible says wipe the feet keep moving, though sometimes I find that hard to do, I don't want to walk away from folks, but when people start saying stuff of nonsense it becomes nonsense to continue dialoging with them its futile.

 

[Grace777x70]

True grace doesn't permit us to stay the same; after you know that you are not condemned - it empowers you to change.

Grace was never intended to allow us to keep on being the same as the true gospel of the grace of Christ is God's very empowerment through the life of Christ in and through us that transforms us - as we behold the glory of Christ as in a mirror - we see reflected back who we are in Him because we are one spirit with the Lord and the Spirit transforms us ( 2 Cor. 3:17-18 ) -

His life transforms us outwardly to reflect Christ that is in our inner man - created in righteousness and holiness. We "awake to righteousness and sin not". Awake means to come to ourselves - to sober up to be who you really are.

When we see that we are called to the true life in Christ and we know we can't work it up and can't accomplish it in our own strength but we desire the His life in us to come forth - that's when empowering grace comes to make our faith a reality in our lives.

 

[Stephen63]

BTW, G777, I notice you swallow everything Joseph Prince teaches & state there's only "minor issues", so no big deal, then lash out at LGF over sabbath day doctrine, which truly IS a minor doctrine issue. (yeah, I saw that)

I think it's time to quit being hypocritical about others' minor issues, & quit covering up Joseph Prince's major sins.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So, you continue to stand for a false teacher that teaches easy believeism, the Prosperity gospel, & WOF all at once & fight with a brother that stands against it?

These are all MAJOR FALSE DOCTRINES,not little differences.

Romans 16
17And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people. 19But everyone knows that you are obedient to the Lord. This makes me very happy. I want you to be wise in doing right and to stay innocent of any wrong. 20The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. May the grace of our Lord Jesus[SUP]g[/SUP] be with you.

Joseph Prince is clearly one of those people. So are you for taking your stand with him.

He who stands with a heretic, fights for a heretic, & teaches the doctrine of a heretic is a heretic himself.

1. I agree, WOF is bad, and I agree,, It is not a good doctrine and I have argued against it many times, But that is not the context of the OP and should not even be brought into the discussion, Since the op is not about WOF.
2. Your thought about grace and what they teach however, is not based on fact, but based on lies, It has been proven to you over and over that you are wrong, But you refuse like so many to repent, and admit you could be wrong. Your sources are based on anti "prince" websites, Grace and others have shown sources from JP himself which prove you are wrong, and Grace has told you more times than I can count youer wrong about what he teaches, As have so many others, not just in saying, but proof texts, Proof posts, and proof words.

Your at war, Please just admit it and stop wiht this stuff. It really is not very attractive for anyone to act this way.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi Stephen63,

I don't know much about these people your talking about above, but I know one thing God's Word tells us if the "Gospel" you believe in has no power to change your life it is not the Gospel of Christ. It is spoken about here....

Rom 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

2Co 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Eph 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true8 holiness.

1Th 4:7
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Heb 12:10
For they verily for a few days chastened us after2 their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

1Pe 1:16
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Heb 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

2Ti 3:5
(Those that have the false Gospel are those that are) Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

God bless

No one teaches the gospel has no power to change your life, The very people Stephen is arguing against teach the gospel is what changes your life..

What they do not teach is that works save you, maintain your salvation, or keep you from losing your salvation, which is something stephen does not like.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

True grace doesn't permit us to stay the same; after you know that you are not condemned - it empowers you to change.

Grace was never intended to allow us to keep on being the same as the true gospel of the grace of Christ is God's very empowerment through the life of Christ in and through us that transforms us - as we behold the glory of Christ as in a mirror - we see reflected back who we are in Him because we are one spirit with the Lord and the Spirit transforms us ( 2 Cor. 3:17-18 ) -

His life transforms us outwardly to reflect Christ that is in our inner man - created in righteousness and holiness. We "awake to righteousness and sin not". Awake means to come to ourselves - to sober up to be who you really are.

When we see that we are called to the true life in Christ and we know we can't work it up and can't accomplish it in our own strength but we desire the His life in us to come forth - that's when empowering grace comes to make our faith a reality in our lives.

Hey bro, I just wanted to make this big enough so people like Stephen and others can read it, and maybe they can stop their slanderous attacks against you. By saying you do not teach this.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hey bro, I just wanted to make this big enough so people like Stephen and others can read it, and maybe they can stop their slanderous attacks against you. By saying you do not teach this.


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Lol....do you think it's big enough?


I have been posting this for the whole time I have been on CC and yet some keep saying the complete opposite of what is really being said. This is deceitful and deliberate. This is why I ignore them and don't interact with these types anymore.

I'll just post what I believe and leave it in the hands of the Holy Spirit who reveals the things of Christ to all of us. He will be faithful to us....

 

[LoveGodForever]

No one teaches the gospel has no power to change your life, The very people Stephen is arguing against teach the gospel is what changes your life..

What they do not teach is that works save you, maintain your salvation, or keep you from losing your salvation, which is something stephen does not like.

Hi ET,

I believe we are not saved by our works as well. Only by faith alone in God's Word. So then what do you mean by a changed life?

God bless

 

[Stephen63]

Hey bro, I just wanted to make this big enough so people like Stephen and others can read it, and maybe they can stop their slanderous attacks against you. By saying you do not teach this.

Making your print larger than life doesn't make it true.

Making yourself larger than life doesn't either.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi ET,

I believe we are not saved by our works as well. Only by faith alone in God's Word. So then what do you mean by a changed life?

God bless

it means we are new creatures, that the old way is not normal. that God has given us a new way, and anything outside of that is abnormal, and can not be sustained.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lol....do you think it's big enough?


I have been posting this for the whole time I have been on CC and yet some keep saying the complete opposite of what is really being said. This is deceitful and deliberate. This is why I ignore them and don't interact with these types anymore.

I'll just post what I believe and leave it in the hands of the Holy Spirit who reveals the things of Christ to all of us. He will be faithful to us....

I hear ya bro, I just get so sick of the slander, would be great of the mods could take care of this, but they have more important things to do I am sure.