What works have you done that proves you have the true faith of God?

[BillG]

You no doubt did something in faith for God to answer your prayer and cry for help.
The deliverance is one thing that God did in your life that you could not do yourself. And to tell other what God did for you, is not bragging on yourself, but on God.
I am happy for you sir.

And I have had plenty of opportunity to tell people about this.
I know this sounds weird but I count it as a privilege, that God trusts me to use me.
Those years were hard but we know that God works good in all things to conform us to the image of Jesus.

Romans 8:28-30 (NKJV)


28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

 

[dcontroversal]

This has to be my biggest pet peeve with this view of salvation, they never give specifics on exactly how much good works are required. And how much bad works to be disqualified.
I really wish someone could give me a chart with specific amounts. Would help ease out the confusion greatly.

Nor will they accurately describe the works of wood, hay and stubble that get burnt to a crisp <---produced by saved believers and in light of the fact that the works of gold, silver and precious stones indicates those that are FAITHFUL ......

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm sorry I passed over you post sir.
That's an easy one.
The very good works you all claim have, that proves you have the so called true faith, and the same that says you are a believer in Christ. That is wood and stubble.
The fact that no one, not even a single person, can give me even ONE good work that they have done that proves they have the true faith of the bible, the same kind James was talking about, tells me a couple of things.
One, that the works that everyone has been doing only prove it is of themselves and not of God.
Two, that God had no part in the work for you to even give any glory to Him.
These kinds of works are all hay and stubble.
Do you preach the bible to others?
That is a work.
Are you able to give God any glory out of your being able to preach the gospel? What about some of the things you might know? Who taught you what you have learned? Did God, or man?
If it was God who you learned from, then you could brag on GOD that it was He who taught you. I'm talking about revelations, the kind where the light seems to suddenly come on. Or you heard a voice tell you something you never saw before in scripture.
But if you learned everything from men such as a pastor or commentators, then you have nothing to brag on God about. For the heathen can and do do the same.
If you can't boast and give glory to God for any work or anything, then it was or is of self.
And that is why all of you can't find a single thing to show or brag about, because it will be about and on you and not about and on God.
Was there not a single work that God did in your life, as a result of your faith, where it was impossible for you to do or to receive?
God said His strength or power is made perfect through our weaknesses or inabilities.
So what did God do in your life that you could not have done on your own strengths or abilities? For ALL strengths, enablements, and empowerments come from God through Jesus Christ.
For it is written,
"I can do all thing through Christ, which strengthens, enables, and empowers me".
That revelation alone, I receive from God, not men. Then I looked up what I heard, and the Greek dictionary said the very same thing I heard.
Were you able to save yourself from your sins or even to give yourself eternal life?
You have to do something first before you receive Jesus' flesh and blood, that you might have life abiding in you.
That work was to confess Him openly.
So one good work or work of faith that you did, and can brag about, because it was not you who did the work, would be that you received Jesus BY confessing Him as your lord and savior.
And as I have said from the beginning, and as it is written in Romans 10:10, confessing is both a work and word of faith, WHEN you believe in your heart.
So to put it simply, in this example, a good work that you did, where you can't brag on yourself, because it wasn't you who did the real work, is that you CONFESSED Jesus as your lord and savior.
And when you did that, GOD made you His son. Not you. You only acted on what you believed, and when God saw that faith in action, He did what you were not able to do, and made you a new creature. That is if you truly believed and acted on that belief. That act was the good work or work of faith.

Nice rambling pamphlet that said nothing....nor did it accurately address anything....lets us try one more time and this time be honest and straight forward....

Works of gold, silver and precious stone <----FAITHFUL SAVED that SERVE

Works of wood, hay and stubble <---___________ saved that have their works burnt to a crisp

See...this one set of verses forever destroys this working for salvation dogma pushed by all who say and use JAMES out of context to push a faith plus works for salvation.....and none of those who push such a dogma can or will be HONEST with this set of verses that states clearly that some SAVED believers will NOT produce faithful, godly works that survive the fiery test of GOD...yet they themselves will STILL BE SAVED as if they came through the fire.....

THE BIBLE IS CLEAR....ALL who have exercised faith into CHRIST biblically HAVE done the works of their HEAVENLY FATHER and this ALONE is sufficient for the eternal SALVATION found in CHRIST.....

 

[7seasrekeyed]

probably obedience would be the #1 evidence

but that is certainly not something to hold up and say 'here it is'

so, what is this really, another works vs faith thread?

6 pages of more of the same?

I just don't get it. the whole time Jesus wants us to fellowship with Him and if we do, we will be where He wants us to be, so all this stuff about what we do etc, is a waste of time

get to know your Savior and understand that NOTHING done from self is lasting and EVERYTHING done by faith in Christ lasts and it is personal.

I think when people believe they have 'found' some truth or 'seen' something they did not 'see' before, they believe they need to (pardon the expression here) shove everyone's face into it

that may just be me though

 

[7seasrekeyed]

having read the op's other thread, HERE, I would advise believer's to be careful in what they believe

carry on

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Which is not such a good idea in view of these Scriptures.

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. (Mt 6:1).

But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. (Mt 6:17,18)

if you read the other op I linked to, it seems he suggests everyone is healed according to their faith

which is of course, word of faith...which is not biblical

I don't want to judge the motivation here, but this is not a good idea and neither is the other thread

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No one has yet to give a good work that has to do with faith yet. I keep hearing about good works that prove they have faith and are saved. I just wanted to know what good works made the true faith with signs following, I'm born again, list.
I wouldn't want to be the first.
What is this faith James 2 is talking about?
What good work or lack thereof, separates true faith from fake or pretend faith.
What kind of work qualifies as true faith.
What good work proves you are born again?
A changed heart is one of the fruits of being born again, it is not a work.

you fail to understand, that you cannot quantify the works of another nor give any proof of what is between God and the individual believer

in your other thread, you have refused to go to a doctor with symptoms that you now believe you are healed of, you have strung some verses together that do not belong together as testimony to what you suggest

until you have seen a sincere believer die, while following exactly the advice you give, you may continue to give that same advice

I am sorry and I do not want to hurt you in any way because I do believe you are sincere, but what you seem to believe in, is not biblically sound and this thread and the other, is coming from some place that you may believe is of God, but I do not believe that to be so

again, I do not wish to hurt you in any way, but I've seen far too many 'strange' things that someone believes is God, even though those beliefs are not in scripture

and if someone tries to point out the error, they are then told 'they have no faith'. this, is a very common deception and very difficult to bring a person out from until the error makes life so difficult they cry out for help

I would truly hate for someone to follow your advise on 'healing' and die as a result, because that can and does actually happen

 

[MadebyHim]

[SUP]33 [/SUP]Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
[SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:33-39

 

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by Grandpa

To visit orphans (Fatherless) and widows (without husbands) in their affliction.

Which is discussing the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ to those who are without Him.

Those are simply works of the law, not works of faith.
Anyone can do those things, even the tares that are among the wheat in the church.

I disagree. Not everyone knows what the Gospel even is. Only those who have come to Christ and received the Revelation of the knowledge of Him.

A tare is no longer a tare if they do that.

 

[crossnote]

Potato .... Potahto .... it's all taters............ 'n' dey is all masheds up

methinks someone needs a vacation lol.

 

[Grandpa]

And how many times visiting the orphans and widows until one is proven to have true faith?

Prove to who?

To other people?

To yourself?

To God?

 

[crossnote]

Prove to who?

To other people?

To yourself?

To God?

Well that is the missing question in the thread, isn't it?

 

[Grandpa]

Well that is the missing question in the thread, isn't it?

You asked for a specific number. Which, of course, would be impossible to quantify.

There is no amount of works you can do that would prove to yourself that you have true faith.

But there is a work that God Does that proves that you are Saved and have True Faith.


If God doesn't show you that you are saved then everything that you do is pretty much pointless. You would be working to try and earn. That is not the way God Works.

In order to know you are saved you have to know that you can't earn Salvation by your work. And then give up and ask Christ for His Help. And believe that He Is and is a Rewarder to those who call on Him.


It probably sounds like I'm talking in circles now....lol

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I disagree. Not everyone knows what the Gospel even is. Only those who have come to Christ and received the Revelation of the knowledge of Him.

A tare is no longer a tare if they do that.

apparently 'works' has to mean some grandiose ministry to some

demonstrating the love of Christ is not a miracle

the miracle is a changed life...from the inside out

and that all just goes back to simple obedience...following Jesus...

 

[Grandpa]

apparently 'works' has to mean some grandiose ministry to some

demonstrating the love of Christ is not a miracle

the miracle is a changed life...from the inside out

and that all just goes back to simple obedience...following Jesus...

The Love of Christ most assuredly IS a Miracle.

And I really don't think there is anything simple about obedience.


But we agree on the outcome, or the result. Following Jesus.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The Love of Christ most assuredly IS a Miracle.

And I really don't think there is anything simple about obedience.


But we agree on the outcome, or the result. Following Jesus.

well, if it's about dying to self, then not so simple (which it usually is)

by 'simple' I meant follow scripture

 

[Studyman]

I disagree. Not everyone knows what the Gospel even is. Only those who have come to Christ and received the Revelation of the knowledge of Him.

A tare is no longer a tare if they do that.

It's worse than that. The Bible warns that "MANY" who call Him Lord, don't know what the Gospel is either. In fact, Jesus specifically warned of "Those who come in Christ's Name, (in other words "Christians") who are nothing more than devils disguised as "Ministers of Righteous", who preach "Another Gospel" different that what Jesus and His Prophets of old and His Disciples of the New Testament teaches. And given the examples of the serpent and Eve, we know satan will use God's own Word to preach this false gospel designed to trick us into disobeying God, as it did to Eve.

From these we are to "Take Heed" that we are not deceived by them. Deceived means to believe something that isn't true.

did Jesus free me from the death that the "Law of Sin" prescribes? "the wages of sin is death".

Or did He, as Mainstream Christian Church preaches, free me from the definition of sin. "the Law is the knowledge of sin".

The Bible clearly teaches we are freed from the death sin causes, not from the Law that defines sin.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

It's worse than that. The Bible warns that "MANY" who call Him Lord, don't know what the Gospel is either. In fact, Jesus specifically warned of "Those who come in Christ's Name, (in other words "Christians") who are nothing more than devils disguised as "Ministers of Righteous", who preach "Another Gospel" different that what Jesus and His Prophets of old and His Disciples of the New Testament teaches. And given the examples of the serpent and Eve, we know satan will use God's own Word to preach this false gospel designed to trick us into disobeying God, as it did to Eve.

From these we are to "Take Heed" that we are not deceived by them. Deceived means to believe something that isn't true.

did Jesus free me from the death that the "Law of Sin" prescribes? "the wages of sin is death".

Or did He, as Mainstream Christian Church preaches, free me from the definition of sin. "the Law is the knowledge of sin".

The Bible clearly teaches we are freed from the death sin causes, not from the Law that defines sin.

that alone could start a 2000 page thread...haha...it already has but not as clearly defined as what you have there

have you come across the threads here that tell us Jesus was 'under the law' and therefore we do not pay attention to what He said to those 'under the law'?

talk about 'doctrines of demons'...but so many do not believe they could ever be deceived into eating and digesting what God forbids

since I have been a member of these forums, the main topic is always salvation by works vs salvation by faith only

most of the time it is just 100's and 100's of posts of people talking past each other and not even trying to understand

 

[Studyman]

that alone could start a 2000 page thread...haha...it already has but not as clearly defined as what you have there

have you come across the threads here that tell us Jesus was 'under the law' and therefore we do not pay attention to what He said to those 'under the law'?

talk about 'doctrines of demons'...but so many do not believe they could ever be deceived into eating and digesting what God forbids

since I have been a member of these forums, the main topic is always salvation by works vs salvation by faith only

most of the time it is just 100's and 100's of posts of people talking past each other and not even trying to understand

Amen,

It seems to always turn into who can pee the furthest, or "My verse is tougher than your verse" contest.

When church tradition and doctrines becomes more important than scripture, there isn't much use in continuing the conversation.

I have heard all manner of things on these forums. Mostly to justify their "Transgression of God's Commandments by their own church tradition."

Many declare:

I'm saved, by God, and nothing Moses, Jesus or God Almighty says or does is gonna change that.

I guess this mentality has been around a long time as the story of Cain and Abel expose.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply and the kind words

 

[crossnote]

You asked for a specific number. Which, of course, would be impossible to quantify.

There is no amount of works you can do that would prove to yourself that you have true faith.

But there is a work that God Does that proves that you are Saved and have True Faith.


If God doesn't show you that you are saved then everything that you do is pretty much pointless. You would be working to try and earn. That is not the way God Works.

In order to know you are saved you have to know that you can't earn Salvation by your work. And then give up and ask Christ for His Help. And believe that He Is and is a Rewarder to those who call on Him.


It probably sounds like I'm talking in circles now....lol

From your question I was thinking in terms of proving before man (as James speaks about) or before God (which Paul speaks of) and consists merely of faith in His Son.