What Is Romans 9 About?

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I would add. If its His faith we would not be replacing it but defining its owner.

What if some do no belief (no faith) according to Romans will it make the work of the faith of God without effect? To work is to effect.

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the "faith of God" without effect?God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.Rom 3:3
That doesn't mean God has faith. Do you think God has fear? Ro 3:18
 
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You are reading everything in the Bible EXCEPT Ro 9. If your God has mercy on people who trust in themselves and their own works then you aren't believing in the God of the Bible.
You're "if" is moot, considering neither you nor Preach believe that.

(This is NOT the Not Works thread. You know this, because you started this thread, and not even because of that thread. Which, btw, thank you for that. lol)
 
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ooh, ooh, I DO, I DO...........

Your stuff sounds very familiar somehow.......what was your Screenname the last time you were here? Just wondering....

As for your assertion, it is so childishly ignorant of Scripture that it is hardly worthy of refuting.......ah, but, ALAS, how can I pass up the opportunity........sigh

There are numerous Scriptures that totally refute your assertion, but let us simply deal with Gods Salvation Plan for mankind eh? Yeah, you can start with John 3:16 if you want, but it ALL refutes your idea that God does not extend mercy/grace to sinners.............goodness........where do folks come up with this stuff?

According to your assertion, Jesus came to earth in the form of man to be God's perfect sacrifice ONLY FOR the righteous? Seems to me Jesus Himself spoie about this many, many times........

Ahh, wait.............is it possible you b Calvinist?
You can't get that from my comment. You have to be on some hallucinogenic to see me saying that God shows mercy only to the righteous.
 
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You're "if" is moot, considering neither you nor Preach believe that.

(This is NOT the Not Works thread. You know this, because you started this thread, and not even because of that thread. Which, btw, thank you for that. lol)
Sure he does because he thinks God sovereignly shows mercy to whoever He wants and they don't have to have faith in Christ.
 
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You can't get that from my comment. You have to be on some hallucinogenic to see me saying that God shows mercy only to the righteous.

Yet he showed mercy on sinful Isreal for centuries..
 
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Vs 1-6 is about Isreal. Vs 6 asked the question. Did God make a mistake. (Has the word of God not taken affect?)

So you want me to think that was about Christ? Tell me, What mistake did God make about Christ?
Its never about Israel as that seen. All Israel is not Israel. Just as the new name He named his people Christian are all Christians. Just as all outward Jew in respect to their flesh which he used as shadows in parables up until the time of reformation were not born again .

I would suggest wearing the proper prescription (2Co 4:18) by which can can see the unseen eternal . It gives us hind sight as well as the promises ahead

The temporal corrupted will be burned up and disappear up in smoke. We walk by faith the unseen eternal not after the flesh of any nation.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2Co 4:18
 
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You have the order in reverse. You don't start with truth and end at immediate context. You start with immediate context, then to chapter and book context, then to same author different book, then to other books of the Bible, then you arrive at the truth.
Ummm, no. You start with a statement and then prove the statement throughout the rest of the text. This is how it works for all writing -- term papers, sales pitches, dissertations, shopping lists (assuming the first statement on a shopping list is "Shopping List" lol), articles on any given subject, books, anything. Anything at all. Anything ever written starts with a statement and then goes on to prove it.

And what is the first statement said in the Bible? "In the beginning, God created the heavens and earth."

This is a book about who God is and what he has done. The rest proves it!

Communications 101
 

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Quoted your comment..........as for who is the "master herbalist" here, methinks you got that covered........see you didn't answer my two questions.......hmm......



You can't get that from my comment. You have to be on some hallucinogenic to see me saying that God shows mercy only to the righteous.
 
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Yet he showed mercy on sinful Isreal for centuries..
He has shown mercy on all the sinful nations of the world .Our father in heaven is not the father of one nation.

His name assigned to His Spirit is Abraham meaning the father of many nations. God who is not a man as us is no respecter of flesh as if he lived in temples made with the hands of men and was served by the flesh which he himself said of his own it could not profit..
 
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Immediate con text of romans 9 is Isreal. It is the context of 9 - 11.

Your trying to force romans 9 into your belief system, and not take romans 9 for what it is.
Why does who he is writing to get bumped out, simply because we're halfway into what the writer was saying?

The context is:
Romans 1:7 [FONT=&quot]To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
 

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I guess when Jesus died on the cross, He ONLY died for those who had faith in him, right?

Wonder how many folks had faith in Jesus when God sent Him to be the Perfect Sacrifice to establish His Salvation Plan?

dis dude is a troll.............in my opinion
 
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Well since romans 9 is about Isreal. And focuses on Israel’s past. And Jesus Christ was not even in the picture at those times (when Rachel had her 3 sons. When Isreal destroyed itself and the potter had to remold. WHen Pharough was chosen because he would do what God needed him to do, Etc etc. there is something really wrong with what your proposing.
Actually, it's about God's sovereign choice. And, given the whole letter was written to Romans, not Israelites, I would think it's important to understand God's sovereign choice, considering we're neither Romans nor Israelites.
 
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You need to read vv1-6 and vv30-33 and you will see it is all about Jesus Christ.
Are you suggesting to skip the verses in between? It's ALL about Jesus! The whole book is about Jesus. The whole Bible is about the Lord!
 
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That idea is not in Ro 9. You are importing that from outside.
With that logic, then I can go with what you're saying in that sentence is

"Garee imports."


If Romans was only about Romans 9, (and in your case, only about the first six verses and then skip to the early 30s), then that's all that would be there. It's a long letter! It's a long letter within a larger work. It all has to come together. The only reason it wouldn't is to make it say what we want it to say, instead of what it really says.
 
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Sure he does because he thinks God sovereignly shows mercy to whoever He wants and they don't have to have faith in Christ.
Well if he gives them the grace that comes from the work of His faith that works in them to both will and do His good pleasure. Does that show who he has mercy on?

After all we cannot have faith in him or towards him if he does not do the first work in us to make it possible to believe by exercising what we do hear.as the faith of or coming from him.

The source of the faith must be determined before applying it.

Our faithful Creator who believed exercised or worked to belive something would appear after the authority of His word said let there be ...and there was form. No human hands were involved.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: (....................The unseen)
 
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I'm not sure what the point you are trying to make about Septuagint is?
Here are other scriptures indicating the Lords chosen by His foreknowing them.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
He didn't chose from his foreknowledge. He foreknew, predestined, called, justified, and then glorifies! He does it all!

He wraps up the credit column. We are the debit column! We gave nothing. He paid our debt!

Hallelujah!!!

And then he changes us from broken vessel to worthy to worship him eternally!

Whoa, Baby! Thank you, Lord!!!!
 
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I am talking about principles.

Its not a perfect Bible that gives us God.

Its a perfect God that gives us Bible.

Summary: God predestined everything, because He is creator of everything. Even if you cant see it in R9, it does not make it void or invalid.
Read Romans 9! That's in there too! (Between 6 and 30, no less. The verse we're supposed to ignore. lol)
 
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With that logic, then I can go with what you're saying in that sentence is

"Garee imports."


If Romans was only about Romans 9, (and in your case, only about the first six verses and then skip to the early 30s), then that's all that would be there. It's a long letter! It's a long letter within a larger work. It all has to come together. The only reason it wouldn't is to make it say what we want it to say, instead of what it really says.
Its not logic after the rudiments of this world as to what the eyes see, not after the oral tradition as the philosophies of men but after his law of faith. We don't know Christ after the logic of men but do know Him after the Logos. His law is perfect converting our soul gives us simply one His understanding.


What's Garee imports?
 
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Sure he does because he thinks God sovereignly shows mercy to whoever He wants and they don't have to have faith in Christ.
He's got a point, and even from that chapter you seem to want to remove the meat from.

[FONT=&quot]10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. [/FONT]