This is what i disagree with in part. That God wont forgive you before He cleanses you.
The bible says He will forgive you then cleanse you...thats how the Holyspirit had it written
and thats where ill stand.
The cleansing is not from future willful sinning. It is a cleansing and a purifying of the soul of all defilement. An individual has to willingly forsake their sin first.
James wrote this...
Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
Isa 55:7, Pro 28:13, Jer 26:13, Ja1 1:21, the parable of the Prodigal Son, the story of Nineveh all confirm that the willful transgession stops prior to forgiveness. You are using rhetoric to contradict that. There is no scripture anywhere in the Bible which says that your future sins are already forgiven, if you think there is then quote it.
Rom 3:25 clearly says PAST SINS. Why would Paul write PAST SINS if he meant future as well? It does not make sense because the future forgiveness of sins is nonsense and is a result of the fallacy of Penal Substitution.
This is your error...
No! we are saved In sin and from sin. We have a legal standing and we have a state. Our state is in process. Our standing
is perfect in Christ Jesus.
You believe in an abstract salvation where you are clean but still filthy at the same time. You view righteousness as merely positional not actual. That doctrine came out of the reformation and a dangerous false teaching. Jesus did not teach any such thing nor did anyone else in the Bible.
In fact John wrote this...
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Are you unwittingly trying to deceive people that you can be righteous yet still filthy? That is what you are saying. You teach this gradual "in process" clean up where the convert is serving light and darkness, where the old man is not yet crucified. Paul wrote in Gal 5:24 that those in Christ HAVE crucified the flesh with its passions and desires, yet you deny that scripture and say it is a process.
Growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ is not the same as sinning less and less. All willful sin which flows from a rebellious and defiled heart must stop in repentance. There may still be things that the new believer is doing non-presumptuously that they need to correct but those things are vastly different to yielding to the flesh in rebellion to known righteousness.
In fact Peter warns not to be drawn away into the error of the wicked but rather grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But
grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
If you go back to chapter 1 of that letter you see this reference to grace and knowledge. He then speaks of how we HAVE escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust so that we may be partakers of the divine nature.
2Pe 1:2
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you
through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Escaping the corruption that is in the world through lust has to do with crucifying the flesh with its passions and desires (Gal 5:24), the old man being crucified (Rom 6:6), thus not yielding to these lusts and sinning (Jas 1:14-15). This sort of sin stops (1Pet 4:1-2). Examine those scriptures very carefully in their full context.
The bottom line is that the false gospel you believe makes an allowance for the continuation of willful transgression and not surely dying because you don't believe that the flesh with its passions and desires are crucified in repentance. Instead you teach that a believer has the magic cloak of Jesus while they stil remain defiled but God sees them as positionally righteous which totally contradicts 1Joh 3:7.