No, not you. The ones who may have know who they are, besides what I post here is not important unless it is derived from the Word. I believe I adhere to Yeshua's teachings as closely as I am able, but some folks here do not seem to even read the posts before replying, and that is frustrating, but not defeating.
Who Is A Jew
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Your avatar is wonderful. I went on line and got myself a copy. As for Hebrew, I am currently reading the Word in Hebrew my first time after taking a Hebrew course last year. It is fascinating. I am by no means expert, however when ever I get lost in the Hebrew, and it happens a lot, I go immediately to the experts. God bless you and hold you close always, amen.. Thank you.
M
Thanks. I appreciate you, too. I used to be a "normal" Christian who happens to drive a cab for the moment, and I picked up a Jewish girl and talked to her a little about Yeshua. She said something that really changed my outlook on everything. she said "I don't believe in Jesus as the Messiah, but if He was alive today, I believe He would be crying all the time over what Christians and Jews have done. He didn't come to start a new religion or make a Christian. He came to tell the Jewish people the truth about how to live Torah and told them that God loved everybody and wanted them to know Torah, too. The Messiah will come to fill Torah with Himself, but I don't believe it was Yeshua. Too bad people don't know that."
I thought and prayed and she was right! (except He IS the Messiah). I got a literal translation and the Complete Jewish Bible and I can now see a lot more what He was really talking about and understand it.
I thought and prayed and she was right! (except He IS the Messiah). I got a literal translation and the Complete Jewish Bible and I can now see a lot more what He was really talking about and understand it.
E
Scripture would disagree with you.
There is literal Isreal, and their is spiritual isreal. this is true for the OT as well as the new. For being a child of Isreal in the OT did not get you an automatic in any more than being a child of Isreal in the new will. When it came to salvation, there was oly one way in the Old and the new. (even David recognized this when he claimed sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire)
Scripture also teaches physical Isreal was given a thing. But they had to chose to follow God to possess this thing. If they failed, God would take them from it until they repented. Paul even states this. But OT as well as NT shows that Isreal will one day repent, and again be restored to her kingdom. Which her messiah as her king.
There is literal Isreal, and their is spiritual isreal. this is true for the OT as well as the new. For being a child of Isreal in the OT did not get you an automatic in any more than being a child of Isreal in the new will. When it came to salvation, there was oly one way in the Old and the new. (even David recognized this when he claimed sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire)
Scripture also teaches physical Isreal was given a thing. But they had to chose to follow God to possess this thing. If they failed, God would take them from it until they repented. Paul even states this. But OT as well as NT shows that Isreal will one day repent, and again be restored to her kingdom. Which her messiah as her king.
G
It appears you were spoiled by another who was not after Christ. To that extent you are nullifying everything, most especially v.9 below. Certainly Jesus Christ is God for those who believe...that has always been the message of faith.
Now...that winking blue guy is not something I put in...but I'll leave it as it is...
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men?23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
some who desire to move away from the historic christian faith into the new religion, which is another system entirely, will go to any lengths.
english transliteration (means resulting in an english word) of the word Judah.
were all israelites from the tribe of Judah? did they all reside in the southern kingdom?
so today in the nation of Israel we have millions of judahs. what nonsense.
ask a rabbi. apparently we have some here.
english transliteration (means resulting in an english word) of the word Judah.
were all israelites from the tribe of Judah? did they all reside in the southern kingdom?
so today in the nation of Israel we have millions of judahs. what nonsense.
ask a rabbi. apparently we have some here.
All my life I have heard that the Jews are God's chosen people. I believe that this is taken out of its context. We all know that there are 2 types of jews. Those that accept Christ as Lord and those who do not. Those who do not accept Christ will go to hell....chosen or not. I believe that we are all God's chosen..all who accept Christ. I also believw that the Bible was written for the jewish people but 2 things happened..1 many of the jewish people rejected Jesus Christ and 2..denominations perverted the word of God into unbiblical doctrine.
the most telling question is what the jewish girl (and the others pushing this counterfeit religion) really mean by TORAH.
John 3 9 Nicodemus answered and said to him, 'How are these things able to happen?' 10 Jesus answered and said to him, 'Thou art the teacher of Israel -- and these things thou dost not know! 11 'Verily, verily, I say to thee -- What we have known we speak, and what we have seen we testify, and our testimony ye do not receive; 12 if the earthly things I said to you, and ye do not believe, how, if I shall say to you the heavenly things, will ye believe? 13 and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down -- the Son of Man who is in the heaven. 14 'And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up, 15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during,
Galatians 4 1 And I say, so long time as the heir is a babe, he differeth nothing from a servant -- being lord of all, 2 but is under tutors and stewards till the time appointed of the father, 3 so also we, when we were babes, under the elements of the world were in servitude, 4 and when the fulness of time did come, God sent forth His Son, come of a woman, come under law, 5 that those under law he may redeem, that the adoption of sons we may receive; 6 and because ye are sons, God did send forth the spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, 'Abba, Father!' 7 so that thou art no more a servant, but a son, and if a son, also an heir of God through Christ.
8 But then, indeed, not having known God, ye were in servitude to those not by nature gods, 9 and now, having known God -- and rather being known by God -- how turn ye again unto the weak and poor elements to which anew ye desire to be in servitude? 10 days ye observe, and months, and times, and years! 11 I am afraid of you, lest in vain I did labour toward you.
12 Become as I am -- because I also am as ye brethren, I beseech you; to me ye did no hurt, 13 and ye have known that through infirmity of the flesh I did proclaim good news to you at the first, 14 and my trial that is in my flesh ye did not despise nor reject, but as a messenger of God ye did receive me -- as Christ Jesus; 15 what then was your happiness? for I testify to you, that if possible, your eyes having plucked out, ye would have given to me; 16 so that your enemy have I become, being true to you? 17 they are zealous for you -- yet not well, but they wish to shut us out, that for them ye may be zealous; 18 and it is good to be zealously regarded, in what is good, at all times, and not only in my being present with you; 19 my little children, of whom again I travail in birth, till Christ may be formed in you, 20 and I was wishing to be present with you now, and to change my voice, because I am in doubt about you.
21 Tell me, ye who are willing to be under law, the law do ye not hear? 22 for it hath been written, that Abraham had two sons, one by the maid-servant, and one by the free-woman, 23 but he who is of the maid-servant, according to flesh hath been, and he who is of the free-woman, through the promise; 24 which things are allegorized, for these are the two covenants: one, indeed, from mount Sinai, to servitude bringing forth, which is Hagar; 25 for this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and doth correspond to the Jerusalem that now is, and is in servitude with her children, 26 and the Jerusalem above is the free-woman, which is mother of us all,
27 for it hath been written, 'Rejoice, O barren, who art not bearing; break forth and cry, thou who art not travailing, because many are the children of the desolate -- more than of her having the husband.'
28 And we, brethren, as Isaac, are children of promise, 29 but as then he who was born according to the flesh did persecute him according to the spirit, so also now;
30 but what saith the Writing? 'Cast forth the maid-servant and her son, for the son of the maid-servant may not be heir with the son of the free-woman;'
31 then, brethren, we are not a maid-servant's children, but the free-woman's.
John 3 9 Nicodemus answered and said to him, 'How are these things able to happen?' 10 Jesus answered and said to him, 'Thou art the teacher of Israel -- and these things thou dost not know! 11 'Verily, verily, I say to thee -- What we have known we speak, and what we have seen we testify, and our testimony ye do not receive; 12 if the earthly things I said to you, and ye do not believe, how, if I shall say to you the heavenly things, will ye believe? 13 and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down -- the Son of Man who is in the heaven. 14 'And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up, 15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during,
Galatians 4 1 And I say, so long time as the heir is a babe, he differeth nothing from a servant -- being lord of all, 2 but is under tutors and stewards till the time appointed of the father, 3 so also we, when we were babes, under the elements of the world were in servitude, 4 and when the fulness of time did come, God sent forth His Son, come of a woman, come under law, 5 that those under law he may redeem, that the adoption of sons we may receive; 6 and because ye are sons, God did send forth the spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, 'Abba, Father!' 7 so that thou art no more a servant, but a son, and if a son, also an heir of God through Christ.
8 But then, indeed, not having known God, ye were in servitude to those not by nature gods, 9 and now, having known God -- and rather being known by God -- how turn ye again unto the weak and poor elements to which anew ye desire to be in servitude? 10 days ye observe, and months, and times, and years! 11 I am afraid of you, lest in vain I did labour toward you.
12 Become as I am -- because I also am as ye brethren, I beseech you; to me ye did no hurt, 13 and ye have known that through infirmity of the flesh I did proclaim good news to you at the first, 14 and my trial that is in my flesh ye did not despise nor reject, but as a messenger of God ye did receive me -- as Christ Jesus; 15 what then was your happiness? for I testify to you, that if possible, your eyes having plucked out, ye would have given to me; 16 so that your enemy have I become, being true to you? 17 they are zealous for you -- yet not well, but they wish to shut us out, that for them ye may be zealous; 18 and it is good to be zealously regarded, in what is good, at all times, and not only in my being present with you; 19 my little children, of whom again I travail in birth, till Christ may be formed in you, 20 and I was wishing to be present with you now, and to change my voice, because I am in doubt about you.
21 Tell me, ye who are willing to be under law, the law do ye not hear? 22 for it hath been written, that Abraham had two sons, one by the maid-servant, and one by the free-woman, 23 but he who is of the maid-servant, according to flesh hath been, and he who is of the free-woman, through the promise; 24 which things are allegorized, for these are the two covenants: one, indeed, from mount Sinai, to servitude bringing forth, which is Hagar; 25 for this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and doth correspond to the Jerusalem that now is, and is in servitude with her children, 26 and the Jerusalem above is the free-woman, which is mother of us all,
27 for it hath been written, 'Rejoice, O barren, who art not bearing; break forth and cry, thou who art not travailing, because many are the children of the desolate -- more than of her having the husband.'
28 And we, brethren, as Isaac, are children of promise, 29 but as then he who was born according to the flesh did persecute him according to the spirit, so also now;
30 but what saith the Writing? 'Cast forth the maid-servant and her son, for the son of the maid-servant may not be heir with the son of the free-woman;'
31 then, brethren, we are not a maid-servant's children, but the free-woman's.
M
I didn't say I wasn't a Christian or that I had changed my beliefs. I said that I began to see the truth behind certain things Jesus was saying. I began to see it from the perspective of the people He was talking to, without a 21st century spin on it. It made a lot more sense and enhanced my Christian life. How has that led me astray? I follow Jesus and His teaching. If I happen to understand the message He was trying to convey at that time, instead of an exact word - by word study from Strongs, how is that "spoiled" ? This is from King James
Please show me in the scriptures how I am wrong, and what I have said that is unscriptural. All cultures and languages have idioms and slang and double - meanings. If I happen to see some of them and as a result have a deeper knowledge and love for God, how am I "spoiled" ?
Please show me in the scriptures how I am wrong, and what I have said that is unscriptural. All cultures and languages have idioms and slang and double - meanings. If I happen to see some of them and as a result have a deeper knowledge and love for God, how am I "spoiled" ?
Do people not realize we are to love the original vine and never hold it over them? Do they realize we are to pray for the salvation of all people? These are the chosen who were the caretakers of the first covenant to Abraham of the coming of Yeshua for the nations. They were disobedient in the wilderness, and by their disobedience salvation was gained by the nations. I believe this was God's will so all could come to the Messiah, Jesus. It is not mete to pass time attacking the way others believe, rather it is mete to edify and exhort fellows in the faith and always pray for others. This talk of other religions being counterfeit is not apt for this forum
do people not realize the Hebrew Roots and Scared Name group has replaced the THE VINE WHO IS JESUS CHRIST with modern Israel (the nation of gentiles who say they are of Judah) and Pagan Judaism?
how about presenting the true Gospel?
who are?
where are they?
hopefully this applies also to the judaizers of all stripes (SDA, HR, etc).
how about presenting the true Gospel?
who are?
where are they?
hopefully this applies also to the judaizers of all stripes (SDA, HR, etc).
It was the will of God that those He had chosen as elect and precious be the ones to bring the salvation of God to all nations. But, because of their unbelief and disobedience, God had to override them and put them aside and raise up a people and graft them into the vine (Christ) to bring salvation to all nations. Their unbelief led to the salvation of the Gentiles because it was the will of God that all men might be saved. You are a little confused but your close.
John 6 37 all that the Father doth give to me will come unto me; and him who is coming unto me, I may in no wise cast without,
John 5 37 'And the Father who sent me Himself hath testified concerning me; ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor His appearance have ye seen; 38 and His word ye have not remaining in you, because whom He sent, him ye do not believe.
39 'Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning me; 40 and ye do not will to come unto me, that ye may have life; 41 glory from man I do not receive, 42 but I have known you, that the love of God ye have not in yourselves. 43 'I have come in the name of my Father, and ye do not receive me; if another may come in his own name, him ye will receive; 44 how are ye able -- ye -- to believe, glory from one another receiving, and the glory that is from God alone ye seek not? 45 'Do not think that I will accuse you unto the Father; there is who is accusing you, Moses -- in whom ye have hoped; 46 for if ye were believing Moses, ye would have been believing me, for he wrote concerning me; 47 but if his writings ye believe not, how shall ye believe my sayings?'
John 8 19 They said, therefore, to him, 'Where is thy father?' Jesus answered, 'Ye have neither known me nor my Father: if me ye had known, my Father also ye had known.'
John 8 42 Jesus then said to them, 'If God were your father, ye were loving me, for I came forth from God, and am come; for neither have I come of myself, but He sent me;
John 9 29 we have known that God hath spoken to Moses, but this one -- we have not known whence he is.'
Mark 7 13 setting aside the word of God for your tradition that ye delivered; and many such like things ye do.'
What is the Oral Torah?
As mentioned earlier, there are two "Torahs": the Written and the Oral. In Jewish tradition, both were given to Moses at Mt. Sinai and during the forty years in the desert, and taught to the whole nation. [In fact, when Judaism says "G-d gave the Torah to Moses at Sinai" it is talking only about the Oral -- otherwise, Moses should have known about the Golden Calf, and as for Korach's Rebellion, Moses should have reacted "well, we've been expecting you..."]
Both have been with us, according to Jewish sources, for all of the past 3300 years. And without both, it is impossible to fully understand traditional Jewish teaching or thought. The Written Torah, mentiones each of the Commandments, or Mitzvos, only in passing or by allusion. The Oral Law fills in the gaps.
What is the oral Torah? - Torah.org
Galatians 1 6 I wonder that ye are so quickly removed from Him who did call you in the grace of Christ to another good news; 7 that is not another, except there be certain who are troubling you, and wishing to pervert the good news of the Christ; 8 but even if we or a messenger out of heaven may proclaim good news to you different from what we did proclaim to you -- anathema let him be! 9 as we have said before, and now say again, If any one to you may proclaim good news different from what ye did receive -- anathema let him be!
10 for now men do I persuade, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if yet men I did please -- Christ's servant I should not be.
11 And I make known to you, brethren, the good news that were proclaimed by me, that it is not according to man, 12 for neither did I from man receive it, nor was I taught it, but through a revelation of Jesus Christ,
13 for ye did hear of my behaviour once in Judaism, that exceedingly I was persecuting the assembly of God, and wasting it, 14 and I was advancing in Judaism above many equals in age in mine own race, being more abundantly zealous of my fathers' deliverances, 15 and when God was well pleased -- having separated me from the womb of my mother, and having called me through His grace -- 16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might proclaim him good news among the nations, immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem unto those who were apostles before me, but I went away to Arabia, and again returned to Damascus,
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Very few did. Most followed idolotry, the jewish form of it. Remember, idolotry is placing anything above God. Considering the fact they were still under gentile domination and not in their land free of gentile oppression proves they were still in sin, and not following God. Lev 26 tells us if they had repentned. They would have been given their land back and God would have protected them.
Thats why when Christ came, most of them rejected him, they had a skewed idea of who God was. they thought he was one who forgave based on OUR good works, and did not realise they were in sin, and could never be good enough to earn Gods love or salvation.
Thats why when Christ came, most of them rejected him, they had a skewed idea of who God was. they thought he was one who forgave based on OUR good works, and did not realise they were in sin, and could never be good enough to earn Gods love or salvation.