Does a saved person HAVE TO BE BAPTIZED?

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gracethroughfaith

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Tintin said:
Huh. I'm curious what you have to say. I hope this isn't one of those non-biblical teachings like universalism.
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No you do not need to worry about me pushing any such foolishness.

Tin I realize I have made a very bold statement, but this boldness comes through my love for God's Truth and many, many hours, days, weeks, months of study and prayer on this subject. I have also taken this study up with another in person to hold me accountable of what I was presenting and whether it was truly from scripture alone.

Since the day the LORD has taken hold of my life my whole heart, I do not aproach or present a study based on my thoughts or opinions. The studies I do are scripture and scripture alone. And not just a little here and a little there.
God has showed and instructed me on how to rightly divide the word of truth, and gather every, every passage pertaining to the subject. Not just a verse here and a verse there but every passage pertaining to the subject.

This is the only way we can truly "rightly divide the word of truth.

2 Timothy 2:14-16 (KJV)
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

All that I do in this life I now live is for the Glory of God and God alone.
 
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Tintin

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Good post and thank you for wanting to be Biblically sound. Now, could we try those verses in a translation for the everyman, the person on the street? (me?) Thanks.
 
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gracethroughfaith

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Tintin said:
Good post and thank you for wanting to be Biblically sound. Now, could we try those verses in a translation for the everyman, the person on the street? (me?) Thanks.
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Tin;
You ask me to go against God, by asking me to share scripture from anything but the 1611 King James Bible.
I will not compromise my relationship with My LORD, Jesus Christ.

If I am recalling correctly!
I read another post of yours stating you can not understand the King James Bible, because of a dyslexic issue.

But I am not here to debate bibles. This is not at all fruitful.

The passages I will be sharing, will and are very understandable.

But for now it is getting late and I must get to ending my day with prayer before bed. 3:45 AM comes very quickly.

Good Night and God bless your desire for truth.
 
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Therapon

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Tintin said:
I don't know why people quote and use the KJV so readily.
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Because the KJV is the most accurate translation of the Textus Receptus. The New King James is 2nd best, but I don't have it in my computer Bible. Here is a differwent translation that might be easier to understand . . .

1Peter 3:21 (GW) "Baptism doesn't save by removing dirt from the body. Rather, baptism is a request to God for a clear conscience. It saves you through Jesus Christ, who came back from death to life."
 
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Baptism is NOT a work of man - it is a work of God (which is what 1Peter 3:21 is all about in a nutshell). A work that God does not have to "wait" for a certain time to bestow on man.

Got it?
 
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Tintin

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Oh, bother. KJV-only people.
 
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The question have to be does only baptized persons enter to Heavens?
 
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Trey01

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John the baptist said ther is one greater than I who baptizes with the Holy Sprit referring to Christ but when studying the Book of Acts we see that the apostle were still baptizing in the Name of Jesus for one to be born again knowing that we must repent from our sins and turn
 
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gracethroughfaith said:
Tin;
You ask me to go against God, by asking me to share scripture from anything but the 1611 King James Bible.
I will not compromise my relationship with My LORD, Jesus Christ.
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hi grace.
the only thing is though you're not actually using the 1611.
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it would read:

1 Corinthians 13
1. Though I speake with the tongues of men & of Angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brasse or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophesie, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge: and though I have all faith, so that I could remoove mountaines, and have no charitie, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestowe all my goods to feede the poore, and though I give my body to bee burned, and have not charitie, it profiteth me nothing.


Romans 5
2 By whom also wee have accesse by faith, into this grace wherein wee stand, and rejoyce in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not onely so, but we glory in tribulations also, knowing that tribulation worketh patience:

The English terms "rejoice" and "glory" stand for the same word in the Greek original. In Tyndale, Geneva and the Bishops' Bibles, both instances are translated "rejoice". In the Douay–Rheims New Testament, both are translated "glory". Only in the Authorized Version does the translation vary between the two verses.

Authorized King James Version - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

plus all the S's would be F's - or is it the other way around?:confused::D


i loveth the KJV, alsoe, though gracethroughfaith....:)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Rock022 said:
The question is, What is baptism?

If you ask a bible believing only christian, you get literally many many answers. If you study the history of the church you get One answer.

Do your own study and reasoning, pray, discern and find the truth.
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Better yet. Study the greek word. For only the greek word can tell us how those who originally used it back in the 1 st century would have understood it to mean.

The last thing we need to do is listen to men.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Therapon said:
You appear to be placing denominational doctrine above Scripture . . .

1Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

Throughout the New Testament, belief and baptism are never spoken of as separate acts performed at different times, but linked together like this: "believe and be baptized!" Over and over again that is what we read. Not because of baptismal regeneration surely, we are saved by grace through faith alone, so why the command to get baptized right away? Because baptism gives the new believer a clear conscience toward God for those sins committed prior to salvation! Thus, Satan no longer has access to attack through those sins now buried at the Cross. So in my humble opinion, if you have not been baptized since you came to the Lord, you should be.
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This is not even true.

Believe in the name of the Lord and YOU WILL BE SAVED (no Baptism)
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved (no baptism)


are just two examples. But I agree, it is by faith alone we are saved. Baptism is the first command we are given. Thus, to not be baptized would be a sin, like any other sin.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Therapon said:
I do not use one verse of Scripture to disprove another. Have you read the Didache? Water baprism was common, in fact the only practice among 1st century believers, and has been common practice in the church for 20 centuries.
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Thats just it, there were different baptism spoken of in the NT.. One was physical, and included water. One was spiritual and included the HS. It was the HS baptism which saved, it was the physical baptism which represented the spiritual.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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As far as acts 2: 32 goes A very poorly translated english text. The word baptism does not fit with gift of the Holy Spirit. they are written in different person.

1 Peter 3: 21. Peter uses the waters of the flood, in which 8 peaple were saved as a symbol of what truely saved us, remember, the waters of the flood was Gods judgment, The ark is what saved the 8. Peter is saying now that baptism, like these waters, also symbolis what saves us from the eternal judgment of God. The ark is Christ (his ressurection) He is not saying Baptism saves us, he even makes it clear, it does not remove filth of the flesh (It does not cleans the soul of sin)
 
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gracethroughfaith said:
Tin;
You ask me to go against God, by asking me to share scripture from anything but the 1611 King James Bible.
I will not compromise my relationship with My LORD, Jesus Christ.
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That's a pretty bold statement, implying that anyone who uses anything but the 1611 KJV is against God?

Personally I don't use just one Bible, I surround myself with as many as I can. And study in the original languages. Perhaps Gods word is bigger than any one translation can express?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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RickyZ said:
That's a pretty bold statement, implying that anyone who uses anything but the 1611 KJV is against God?

Personally I don't use just one Bible, I surround myself with as many as I can. And study in the original languages. Perhaps Gods word is bigger than any one translation can express?
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No english text is perfect. they are all translations, and suffer the problems associated with the interpretations made of men.
 
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savedNblessed

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So since I'm baptized once, I shouldn't get baptized again??
 
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Tintin

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GraceThroughFaith, so I'm guessing the Hebrew and Greek originals aren't of God either?
Seriously. Grow up. God is bigger than this. Also, the KJV was commissioned by King James, it left some things out, it included some things but it's still the Word of God. Many of the modern translations are more accurate and also the Word of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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savedNblessed said:
So since I'm baptized once, I shouldn't get baptized again??
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you can do what you wish. Just do it the right way. Remember, Those who were baptised with Johns baptism, were asked to be baptised again were they not?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Tintin said:
GraceThroughFaith, so I'm guessing the Hebrew and Greek originals aren't of God either?
Seriously. Grow up. God is bigger than this. Also, the KJV was commissioned by King James, it left some things out, it included some things but it's still the Word of God. Many of the modern translations are more accurate and also the Word of God.
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it also added some things, and mistranslated some things. Like many of the versions do. which again brings thr point. There is no perfect english text. However, I do believe God can use most of them to bring people to Christ and make them mature in him, and intruct them in all ways. There are a few I would stay away from though
 
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