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Actually if he was not raised from the dead we would still be on our sins, oh wait a minute most are still because they have not finalized the cross that this is where we are forgiven and the forgiveness issue is over from the Father of Christ point of view time to move onto the resurrection and definately be free in him as what was and is intended by the cross, to first die to self here and now then be rasied back to life here and now by belief, read it Romans 6:1-11 and reckon this to be done to you as it was done to the Romans by belief or and read Galations chapter 1- 3 and see it is by Faith in what I just said that from God
and Christ you are made perfect because of the death and resurrection of Christ this is for you Follow him you all Follow him
and Christ you are made perfect because of the death and resurrection of Christ this is for you Follow him you all Follow him
Yes there many Holy Rollers that think there______________ does not stink, and that is sad, and all I can do is love for the kindeness of God is meant
Romans 2:4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Romans 2:4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
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Brother I love this explanation and it makes alot of sense. But I must say, the word "religion" has gained somewhat of a bad reputation (if I may) lol When I follow the Law of God, I find that I naturally follow the teachings in the Catholic Church. So I see my religion (as a Catholic), as my faith in reality, because my faith lies completely in God and He has truly spoken to me and told me very clearly to listen to what I was being taught the night I asked Him. I don't know what lies ahead, brother. Like you said happened to you, QUOTE: " I found that when I went through religion another denomination and learnt what I learnt I today count it as all Joy for I would not know what God was teaching me without that experience, so no regrets." Brother, this could be my learning experience like it was to you, or it could be the Truth. I'm not closed minded to rule anything out. All I'm saying is, this is the path that God so clearly led me too, and I have found no fault in it yet (obviously, for I was led to it by the Almighty!! lol). But I can see your point, and it's very interesting and sounds like it has some truth in it. And God bless you for sharing it with me.
Just a couple of questions, brother, if you don't mind, that have been bugging me (not about you. You could never bug me lol). If I were to leave the Catholic Church and adopt this method of faith that you have so graciously shared with me, which Bible would you recommend I follow? Why would you recommend that particular Bible? And how would I be sure that it was the True and correct translation? And again, Howard, thankyou and God bless. My true brother in Christ!!!!
Just a couple of questions, brother, if you don't mind, that have been bugging me (not about you. You could never bug me lol). If I were to leave the Catholic Church and adopt this method of faith that you have so graciously shared with me, which Bible would you recommend I follow? Why would you recommend that particular Bible? And how would I be sure that it was the True and correct translation? And again, Howard, thankyou and God bless. My true brother in Christ!!!!
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Traditions
Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if a man says to his father and mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’ 6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
The traditions Christians should keep are the commandments and the teaching of Jesus. The Sermon on the Mount is a good example and neither should we forger the Last Supper.
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Traditions
Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if a man says to his father and mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’ 6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
The traditions Christians should keep are the commandments and the teaching of Jesus. The Sermon on the Mount is a good example and neither should we forger the Last Supper.
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
It is a personal relationship Christ being ones life and then share it at every opportunity as lead by Christ, thus fellowship. the way you just put it leads to purpose driven life where all his focus was on gathering and putting others first before Christ and most did not catch this as when he said in that book that we are meant to fellowship with one another not being alone. WOW!!!!! I responded with what about Joseph in Jail for how long 13 years alone, no he was never alone GOD was with him all the way and that is what we are made for to serve the living God by free choice not force ever think about ask God in yuor heart truth and be set free Brother Love you no offense meant in any way shape or form
Reread my post, you have your reply. And yes, we render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.
About those tares, they were left in the field because ripping them out could have damaged the wheat. The tares were destined to be burned after being separated from the wheat at harvest. It is like separating the sheep from the goats.
About those tares, they were left in the field because ripping them out could have damaged the wheat. The tares were destined to be burned after being separated from the wheat at harvest. It is like separating the sheep from the goats.
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I know there is great misunderstanding in what Christ did at the cross and how deep it actually goes because after the death there is a resurrection awaitng us the believers here and now
Romans 5:10For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Saved by the life death needed first (forgiven completely) in order to be born again thus we are to ask God for this new life here and now so we then by belief can:
Romans 6:11Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:10For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Saved by the life death needed first (forgiven completely) in order to be born again thus we are to ask God for this new life here and now so we then by belief can:
Romans 6:11Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
That statement right there keeps one in sin and sin gets justified in the believer and reinforced through your flesh is not redeemed, and this is true that ones flesh is not redeemed, But in Goid the Father's view after belief in his Son's finished work, you are dead in the flesh and held alive in the Spirit of God just as it was the day of Pentecost all over again. Now as long as one has thoughts of the flesh as being alive sin revives through the Law and kills you making one feelguilty all over again and tries harder if you don't succeed the first time stand back up and try again get a little more forgiveness and you will be alright, All this does is keeps ones flesh alive and sowing to the flesh and all that does is reap corruption death instead of life
Galatians 6:7Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
Galatians 6:8For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
Sows is the same as thinks and reap is the results of what a man was thinking, so if one tries to stop sin even in prayer they will still reap flesh because that is what they thought about and emotions know no right or wrong they just predictably respond to waht ever the mind is sowing (thinking about) and the results are, well you know as well as the rest of the people know and have been doing this very same thing over and over until one comes to the end of the energy of their own flesh as I see others have and others on their way as you are and already there
Galatians 6:7Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
Galatians 6:8For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
Sows is the same as thinks and reap is the results of what a man was thinking, so if one tries to stop sin even in prayer they will still reap flesh because that is what they thought about and emotions know no right or wrong they just predictably respond to waht ever the mind is sowing (thinking about) and the results are, well you know as well as the rest of the people know and have been doing this very same thing over and over until one comes to the end of the energy of their own flesh as I see others have and others on their way as you are and already there
It seems you have come to be quite a teacher. The word in Romans 6:11 is reckon or count oneself dead to sin. No one is dead to sin as long as he dwells in this worldly tent called the flesh. Do not believe me, go to Paul in Romans also, understand what he says about the sinful man that he is (all are wretched in the sight of our God.) We are reconciled, as in Psalm 32, because the guilt of our sin is no longer imputed to us. In the sight of the Father, I am made perfect because of the Blood of His Passover Lamb, thus I am passed over and excused from the curse of the law, that being the punishment or death. Now what are you adding to this or removing? What new light have you for the poor, ignorant one here? I should know, as I read teh Word continuously, and I know I do not know that much, and it has been steady since 1969.
Charlie Thank you again and I am not trying ot get you or anyone to see what I see, I am only exposing truth as God has shown me
I am going to share some experiences personal.
When I was 12 I got left behind at a campfire I was left behind to put out that fire and then meet the rest back at the cabin this was in Skylandia, Lake Tahoe a Church camp function it was the last night before going home the next day.
I put out that fire with sand and yes it was now dark and I then realized I had no flashlight and no coat, getting cold now and can barley see being a tough 12 year old a smart alec and a womanizer acing all cool all week, doing crazy things like making fun of others and now here I am lost about 1 to 2 miles in the dark and I am starting on the path back to the cabin, I trip fall into a hole twist my ankle and I started to pray, and the next thing I saw was the light at the cabin my hands and arms were out in front of me and dropping down as I saw the lights in the cabin, I ran into that cabin and apolgozed profusely to all that I had knowingly hurt and was so thankful to God for what he had done for me he was a light unto my path and I was healed no spranged ankle. I was 12 and what happened next was tragic, when i was 14 my Sister youngest Sister died at 18 on a overdose, I was devastated and did not understand, then when I was 17 my Dad died at 63 , of a lot of diseases that occured in him after Sue my Sister died. Then at 21 My oldest Brother John gave me on my Birthday 21 dollar bills and was living back home with us in Sacramento at the age of 33.
He had been working for Campus Crusade for Christ, all of his life he had been on fire for the Lord and at this time in his life he was distraught he had in the Hospital had a nervous breakdown, starting drinking and smoking I was bewildered, and wondering what had happened to my Legalistic Brother who was always so careful to do was right and if he saw you or anyone not following law he would be right there in there face. And now there was a big differance in him. Well Brother I was at this time in my life carrying on in the drunk and drug scene myself.
Now I came home one night late and saw the light on to my brothers room and the door part way open I peeked in and saw that he was asleep but I noticed all around him surrounding him was pictures of Christ sayings and all strategically placed around him, I was creeped out and yeah okay and walked away, this went on for another two nights. Then I saw him on a Wednesday and he was heading back for Campus Crusade for Christ, he wanted to say something to me and pulled back thinking and refrained from what he was going to say and said to me Howard all I can tell you is that all this drinking and smoking is not good, He did not say I had to quit as he would have done and had done in the past, he just said it is not good. I yeah okay as no big deal.
Well the next thing that came to be was that he was found dead on Campus Crusade for Christ two miles above the Sanctuary leaned against a Boulder with a Bilbe in his hand, he was found by Hikers
Now it came to pass that from the autopsy report that there was no physical cause of death, the only thing they got out of the Autopsy was the he died on Thursday might found on Sunday morning.
Now this convinced me that Christ is real and alive no doubt and here I am today been being peeled like an onion and have today been peeled all the way to the center and Brother it is sweet, this unconditional love of God is what changed me as I see in you too. So here is what I have seen a waste of life via drugs my Sisters death, but have learned to use it to help others see this and leave the drugs and alcohol by there free choice as I also chose as well to do freely not by Law, because by Law it kept me trapped in it. Secondly I learned from Dad dieing at an early age 63 what stinking thinkng does to a person and by that guilt placed on him over Sues his daughters death actually is what killed him, him thinking bad thoughts caused his sicknesses unto an early death. Finally my Brother John's death at 33 was Wow!!!! when I heard this from my other Sister that John told her before going off and dieing he said Gretchen all my life I have been trying to please Mom and Dad and God by what I was doing and just never could attain it. Today he said to her GOD JUST LOVE ME. And so today as God has been growing as well as you i by God's grace one year ago God through me came up with the blogger at www.godjustloveyou.blogspot.com First as you already have said you have had your epithany that God is 100% real as I have had too, no matter wheree you go or what you do he is there with you to teach you and just love you, and by this you will learn truth the truth that sets you free in him as you already are.
The Bible I read while in the USMC was The Living Bible Pharaphrased. It was excellent for me and in easy to read language, I read the King James verson and the New living translation, along with many others.
Bottom line I have read for self to tell others they are wrong and I am right and as I grew in understanding and wisdom those reasons were completely the worng Motive. So my Motive changed to the following quote God Speaking here
"Comfort Me by letting Me know that you would see Me just to dwell in My Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for Me. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."
and I learned these following quotes:
Lesson your judgement of others. You never see the whole picture. Never.
there are 1,000 reasons a person can behave a particular way. You don't know what is going on in their movie that motivates them to act in that way. You never know how you'd behave if you were in their shoes. Today little by little, learn to be more forgiving. Learn to where you can come from a place of help, rather than Judgement.
Judgements are only based on what one sees, from their owns thoughts. From their own experiences. There is truly only one that knows all. that one would be and is the creator of all.
If one learns to listen to the creator as Jesus Christ revealed to all mankind. (He taught us, to do nothing or say nothing w/o Father's instruction first and foremost), we would make the right judgements, with out condemnation. ( coming from the one listening)
The ones that argued would reveal their true selves, as was done in the day of visitation from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Steer clear from arguements, seek the truth in all things and one shall be free from the world and it's traps.
A man must learn to understand the motives of human beings, their illusions, and their sufferings.
Brother you are already there in Christ, and in Christ you are made perfect in God from God's perspective because of his Son Christ. Without this without the resurrection we would all still be in our sins and faith would be void but Christ is alive raised and is our high Priest forever and will never die again and neither wil his believers. read the latest two posts at he blogger or as many as might be led to if led at all
In love Howard Schultz
I am going to share some experiences personal.
When I was 12 I got left behind at a campfire I was left behind to put out that fire and then meet the rest back at the cabin this was in Skylandia, Lake Tahoe a Church camp function it was the last night before going home the next day.
I put out that fire with sand and yes it was now dark and I then realized I had no flashlight and no coat, getting cold now and can barley see being a tough 12 year old a smart alec and a womanizer acing all cool all week, doing crazy things like making fun of others and now here I am lost about 1 to 2 miles in the dark and I am starting on the path back to the cabin, I trip fall into a hole twist my ankle and I started to pray, and the next thing I saw was the light at the cabin my hands and arms were out in front of me and dropping down as I saw the lights in the cabin, I ran into that cabin and apolgozed profusely to all that I had knowingly hurt and was so thankful to God for what he had done for me he was a light unto my path and I was healed no spranged ankle. I was 12 and what happened next was tragic, when i was 14 my Sister youngest Sister died at 18 on a overdose, I was devastated and did not understand, then when I was 17 my Dad died at 63 , of a lot of diseases that occured in him after Sue my Sister died. Then at 21 My oldest Brother John gave me on my Birthday 21 dollar bills and was living back home with us in Sacramento at the age of 33.
He had been working for Campus Crusade for Christ, all of his life he had been on fire for the Lord and at this time in his life he was distraught he had in the Hospital had a nervous breakdown, starting drinking and smoking I was bewildered, and wondering what had happened to my Legalistic Brother who was always so careful to do was right and if he saw you or anyone not following law he would be right there in there face. And now there was a big differance in him. Well Brother I was at this time in my life carrying on in the drunk and drug scene myself.
Now I came home one night late and saw the light on to my brothers room and the door part way open I peeked in and saw that he was asleep but I noticed all around him surrounding him was pictures of Christ sayings and all strategically placed around him, I was creeped out and yeah okay and walked away, this went on for another two nights. Then I saw him on a Wednesday and he was heading back for Campus Crusade for Christ, he wanted to say something to me and pulled back thinking and refrained from what he was going to say and said to me Howard all I can tell you is that all this drinking and smoking is not good, He did not say I had to quit as he would have done and had done in the past, he just said it is not good. I yeah okay as no big deal.
Well the next thing that came to be was that he was found dead on Campus Crusade for Christ two miles above the Sanctuary leaned against a Boulder with a Bilbe in his hand, he was found by Hikers
Now it came to pass that from the autopsy report that there was no physical cause of death, the only thing they got out of the Autopsy was the he died on Thursday might found on Sunday morning.
Now this convinced me that Christ is real and alive no doubt and here I am today been being peeled like an onion and have today been peeled all the way to the center and Brother it is sweet, this unconditional love of God is what changed me as I see in you too. So here is what I have seen a waste of life via drugs my Sisters death, but have learned to use it to help others see this and leave the drugs and alcohol by there free choice as I also chose as well to do freely not by Law, because by Law it kept me trapped in it. Secondly I learned from Dad dieing at an early age 63 what stinking thinkng does to a person and by that guilt placed on him over Sues his daughters death actually is what killed him, him thinking bad thoughts caused his sicknesses unto an early death. Finally my Brother John's death at 33 was Wow!!!! when I heard this from my other Sister that John told her before going off and dieing he said Gretchen all my life I have been trying to please Mom and Dad and God by what I was doing and just never could attain it. Today he said to her GOD JUST LOVE ME. And so today as God has been growing as well as you i by God's grace one year ago God through me came up with the blogger at www.godjustloveyou.blogspot.com First as you already have said you have had your epithany that God is 100% real as I have had too, no matter wheree you go or what you do he is there with you to teach you and just love you, and by this you will learn truth the truth that sets you free in him as you already are.
The Bible I read while in the USMC was The Living Bible Pharaphrased. It was excellent for me and in easy to read language, I read the King James verson and the New living translation, along with many others.
Bottom line I have read for self to tell others they are wrong and I am right and as I grew in understanding and wisdom those reasons were completely the worng Motive. So my Motive changed to the following quote God Speaking here
"Comfort Me by letting Me know that you would see Me just to dwell in My Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for Me. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."
and I learned these following quotes:
Lesson your judgement of others. You never see the whole picture. Never.
there are 1,000 reasons a person can behave a particular way. You don't know what is going on in their movie that motivates them to act in that way. You never know how you'd behave if you were in their shoes. Today little by little, learn to be more forgiving. Learn to where you can come from a place of help, rather than Judgement.
Judgements are only based on what one sees, from their owns thoughts. From their own experiences. There is truly only one that knows all. that one would be and is the creator of all.
If one learns to listen to the creator as Jesus Christ revealed to all mankind. (He taught us, to do nothing or say nothing w/o Father's instruction first and foremost), we would make the right judgements, with out condemnation. ( coming from the one listening)
The ones that argued would reveal their true selves, as was done in the day of visitation from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Steer clear from arguements, seek the truth in all things and one shall be free from the world and it's traps.
A man must learn to understand the motives of human beings, their illusions, and their sufferings.
Brother you are already there in Christ, and in Christ you are made perfect in God from God's perspective because of his Son Christ. Without this without the resurrection we would all still be in our sins and faith would be void but Christ is alive raised and is our high Priest forever and will never die again and neither wil his believers. read the latest two posts at he blogger or as many as might be led to if led at all
In love Howard Schultz
You have been transferrd from death to life and your post says this, but apparently you might be pinching your self saying I am alive in flesh and blood though. Well Brother let me say this when Pentecost happened to the disciples were they alive in flesh and blood or were they dead to flesh and blood alive to the Spirit?
And what about I am crucified never the less I live, you see brother this is for you too here and now, but is is not you it is Christ living through you go past the stage brother of being a continuous sinner and be transformed in the renewing of your mind as what you are called to be here and now seeing from God's vantage point, it is an exchanged life for the life of Christ. This is what Paul was trying to explain to us all as believers we are anew in God the love of God found in 1 Cor. 13 spread abroad in our hearts
and as far as Romans chapter 7 goes it ends with who will save me from this evil well brother it is Christ by you exchanging your life for his leaving that carnal nature dead and being made alive by Christ the belief in him and his finished work no longer trying to do good in and of self for that is What Romans seven is all about to show us we need the Savior and the Saviors finished work we are to trust that he did take care of it all it is done by him, now since I have trusted that and today believe that my focus has been not on trying to attain the Spirit but on having the Spirit and being so busy and thankful that the old sin nature in essence is dead. Now this does not mean that there is no way that it can ever raise its ugly head and deceive me, that is why we are called to live for today and not worry about tommorrow. There is enough attacks in the present day so stay in today trusting to have all thought taken captive and it will be all taken captive by the hidden man of your heart where one serves God 100% complete all by trust in the finished work and being under the new covenant of Love
God loves us all this much that he did this for our freedom how can one ever respond badly to this
And what about I am crucified never the less I live, you see brother this is for you too here and now, but is is not you it is Christ living through you go past the stage brother of being a continuous sinner and be transformed in the renewing of your mind as what you are called to be here and now seeing from God's vantage point, it is an exchanged life for the life of Christ. This is what Paul was trying to explain to us all as believers we are anew in God the love of God found in 1 Cor. 13 spread abroad in our hearts
and as far as Romans chapter 7 goes it ends with who will save me from this evil well brother it is Christ by you exchanging your life for his leaving that carnal nature dead and being made alive by Christ the belief in him and his finished work no longer trying to do good in and of self for that is What Romans seven is all about to show us we need the Savior and the Saviors finished work we are to trust that he did take care of it all it is done by him, now since I have trusted that and today believe that my focus has been not on trying to attain the Spirit but on having the Spirit and being so busy and thankful that the old sin nature in essence is dead. Now this does not mean that there is no way that it can ever raise its ugly head and deceive me, that is why we are called to live for today and not worry about tommorrow. There is enough attacks in the present day so stay in today trusting to have all thought taken captive and it will be all taken captive by the hidden man of your heart where one serves God 100% complete all by trust in the finished work and being under the new covenant of Love
God loves us all this much that he did this for our freedom how can one ever respond badly to this