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justamazed said:
Luke 7:31-35

31*And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?

32*They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.

33*For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.

34*The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

35*But wisdom is justified of all her children.


You may also apply names to me. Earlier in this thread myself my "pastor" and my congregation were all drunk. But before you carry on in your childish ways in mocking what you do not understand, who is this "wisdom" Jesus is talking about and who are her children? Does He mean Himself?
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wisdom is not capitalized so I am not sure wisdom is a person. Look at John 14:15-16 when Nouns are capitalized the Spirit, the Counselor and then you have wisdom. In neither Luke nor Proverbs is wisdom capitalized to make me believe that wisdom is used as a noun. John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, again capitalized because it is used as a proper noun. Brother I understand the Trinity it is you who does not as self confessed
 
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the concept of the trinity is around us every where, the egg, one yet has a seperate shell, a yolk, and white. Water is one yet can be in the form of water ice or steam. Light, every ray of light has three beams the actinic which is invisable, the luminiferous which is visable and the calorific which gives heat that can be felt but not seen.
 
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from Eastons Bible Dictionary

Wise,
wisdom - a moral rather than an intellectual quality. To be "foolish" is to
be godless (Ps. 14:1; comp. Judg. 19:23; 2 Sam. 13:13). True wisdom is a gift
from God to those who ask it (Job 28:12-28; Prov. 3:13-18; Rom. 1:22; 16:27; 1
Cor. 1:17-21; 2:6-8; James 1:5). "Wisdom" in Prov. 1:20; 8:1; 9:1-5 may be
regarded not as a mere personification of the attribute of wisdom, but as a
divine person, "Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God" (1 Cor. 1:24). In
Matt. 11:19 it is the personified principle of wisdom that is meant.
 
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stek said:
wisdom is not capitalized so I am not sure wisdom is a person. Look at John 14:15-16 when Nouns are capitalized the Spirit, the Counselor and then you have wisdom. In neither Luke nor Proverbs is wisdom capitalized to make me believe that wisdom is used as a noun. John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, again capitalized because it is used as a proper noun. Brother I understand the Trinity it is you who does not as self confessed
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Proverbs 3:19-23

19*The Lord by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

20*By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.

21*My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:



Jeremiah 10:10-12

10*But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

11*Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.

12*He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.


No capital letters here either. I ask you what is the difference between Jesus and jesus?

Please do not base ideas on the capitalization of a letter that kills. Also do not think about wisdom as a person so to speak. God is Spirit. The bible speaks of Jesus being Both the power AND the wisdom of God. Power being the "male" and wisdom being the "female". Love and light is power, and it possessed wisdom and by it the Word was spoken.
 
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You have changed the subject so many time I am lost, I answered you according to Easton bible dictionary as how wisdom is used in Proverbs 8. You have not answered me my question about proverbs 8. Why? becasue you cant with contradicting your self.

How can a spirit have a spirit? as in Genesis 1?

The bible refers to the Spirit of God not God the Spirit. Y

You have Said God is alone but then say I must have a mother which means he was not alone that Jesus was there as wisdom( a female). So who is the Word in John 1. The Word which was with God and was God. So I again do not understand you argument. cause you seem to want to say Jesus is this and then not this.

Again I said I could agrue that wisdom is Christ, showed that to you in eastons bible dictionary that says MAY BE not was. So I will ask you your question to me back to you " who is this "wisdom" Jesus is talking about and who are her children? Does He mean Himself? According to what you are saying guess the answer is yes.

I fail to understand how you can believe God is Spirit and has a spirit and that trinitys can exist in the finite world but not in an infinite world. Whenever God is used in any form it is Capitalzed. In proverbs 8:35 For who ever finds me finds life and receives favor from the lord. Dose this wisdom sacve me? Noticed you still havent answered this.
 
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You might want to see what it was about Jesus Death that give the likes of us a chance at life. It's not what most people think.
It makes me feel guilty.
 
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You have changed the subject so many time I am lost, I answered you according to Easton bible dictionary as how wisdom is used in Proverbs 8. You have not answered me my question about proverbs 8. Why? becasue you cant with contradicting your self.

How can a spirit have a spirit? as in Genesis 1?

The bible refers to the Spirit of God not God the Spirit. Y

You have Said God is alone but then say I must have a mother which means he was not alone that Jesus was there as wisdom( a female). So who is the Word in John 1. The Word which was with God and was God. So I again do not understand you argument. cause you seem to want to say Jesus is this and then not this.

Again I said I could agrue that wisdom is Christ, showed that to you in eastons bible dictionary that says MAY BE not was. So I will ask you your question to me back to you " who is this "wisdom" Jesus is talking about and who are her children? Does He mean Himself? According to what you are saying guess the answer is yes.

I fail to understand how you can believe God is Spirit and has a spirit and that trinitys can exist in the finite world but not in an infinite world. Whenever God is used in any form it is Capitalzed. In proverbs 8:35 For who ever finds me finds life and receives favor from the lord.
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That's not what I said at all. Never said that wisdom is a seperate spirit only the feminine quality of the One Spirit. We were made both male and female in the beginning.

Proverbs 8 is how true Godly wisdom is to operate. And capital letters only mean a thing to this world.

Do you understand the whore in revelation? Are we all actually fornicating with one woman? No! This whore is the personification of earthly wisdom. She acts the opposite of Godly wisdom described in Proverbs 8. When the bible talks about women being silent in the churches do you believe this is to actually ladies in church? This again deals with earthly wisdom who as we can see so clearly on cc, does no such thing.
 
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Matthew 22:36-40

[SUP]"[/SUP][SUP]36 [/SUP]“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and greatest commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]40 [/SUP]All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”"


Those are the only commandments I worry about. If anybody wants to add to those and start tacking on the whole do this/do that thing.....they can go for it. I won't be doing so myself
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Why do you think you can pick the commandments you want to follow and not do the others? God said if you love Him you will keep His commandments. Not just the few you decided you want to follow. If you read the N.T. you will see in Acts how people were saved. They obeyed and believed, repented, confessed Jesus and were baptized. Then they worshipped Him on the lst day of the week by taking the Lord's supper singing, praying, and preaching. Who are we to tell God I'll do the commands I want to but that's it. This is a matter of salvation.
 
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jody50 said:
Why do you think you can pick the commandments you want to follow and not do the others? God said if you love Him you will keep His commandments. Not just the few you decided you want to follow. If you read the N.T. you will see in Acts how people were saved. They obeyed and believed, repented, confessed Jesus and were baptized. Then they worshipped Him on the lst day of the week by taking the Lord's supper singing, praying, and preaching. Who are we to tell God I'll do the commands I want to but that's it. This is a matter of salvation.
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Do you not invite friends and family home for a meal, but rather the poor, blind and lame, so that you may receive your reward from your Father in Heaven?
 
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mark54 said:
Do you not invite friends and family home for a meal, but rather the poor, blind and lame, so that you may receive your reward from your Father in Heaven?
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So, are you saying if you feed some people you will be saved. Of course, that's part of it. But there is a whole New Testament that we have to follow if we want to go to Heaven. God wrote it. He told us the plan of salvation. He says if we want remission of sins we have to "Repent and be baptized" like Acts 2:38 says along with many other scriptures.
 
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So, are you saying if you feed some people you will be saved. Of course, that's part of it. But there is a whole New Testament that we have to follow if we want to go to Heaven. God wrote it. He told us the plan of salvation. He says if we want remission of sins we have to "Repent and be baptized" like Acts 2:38 says along with many other scriptures.
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You rebuked a brother with the following

'Why do you think you can pick the commandments you want to follow and not do the others?'

I was just wondering if you yourself followed all of the commandments or whether you picked the ones you wanted to follow
 
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mark54 said:
You rebuked a brother with the following

'Why do you think you can pick the commandments you want to follow and not do the others?'

I was just wondering if you yourself followed all of the commandments or whether you picked the ones you wanted to follow
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Like I said that's definitely part of it. I try to keep all the commandments. But why bother if you aren't even going to follow the steps of salvation to begin with. If you aren't saved it doesn't matter about the other commandments.
 
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Like I said that's definitely part of it. I try to keep all the commandments. But why bother if you aren't even going to follow the steps of salvation to begin with. If you aren't saved it doesn't matter about the other commandments.
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Who isn't following the steps to salvation?
 
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Who isn't following the steps to salvation?
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The one that I was responding to. They said the only commandments they follow is to Love the Lord God and your neighbor. I was asking them why they can just pick those two commandments to follow and not the rest of them.
 
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The one that I was responding to. They said the only commandments they follow is to Love the Lord God and your neighbor. I was asking them why they can just pick those two commandments to follow and not the rest of them.
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I thought he gave a good response

Carry each others burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ
Gal6:2

However, I won't criticise you for striving every day to obey all of Christ's literal commands, something I assume you do, as you berated your brother for picking which ones he followed and which ones he didn't
 
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Every man-made religion has works as a requirement for salvation. Salvation has to be entirely of grace or entirely of works. It cannot be a combination of both. The Bible clearly stated that it is not of works but of grace.

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Galatians 2:16
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith inChrist and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
 
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How can we merit grace or Salvation?

Could it be by goodness?
There is none that doeth good, no not one Romans 3:12


Could it be righteousness?
"There is none righteous, no not one." Romans 3:10

Could it by Law?
"By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight. Romans 3:20

Could it be good works?
Not of works lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:9

Could it be by heritage?
Not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man John 1:13
 
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dliz said:
Every man-made religion has works as a requirement for salvation. Salvation has to be entirely of grace or entirely of works. It cannot be a combination of both. The Bible clearly stated that it is not of works but of grace.

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Galatians 2:16
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith inChrist and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
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The Bible clearly teaches we are saved by grace AND WORKS. In James 2:24 it says "Ye see that a person is justified by WORKS and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.
 
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jody50 said:
The one that I was responding to. They said the only commandments they follow is to Love the Lord God and your neighbor. I was asking them why they can just pick those two commandments to follow and not the rest of them.
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That's what fulfills all of the law.
 
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