rapture pre or post tribulation
- Thread starter matt7777777
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
The scripture shows that the rapture will occur before the tribulation.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. One cannot stand before the Son of man while they are on earth.
The only way to escape is believe in the Lord Jesus now so one can be part of His raptured bride.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
The imminence of the rapture supports a pre-tribulation view: Matt 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Matt 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. The rapture will catch people unaware like the flood in the days of Noah.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. One cannot stand before the Son of man while they are on earth.
The only way to escape is believe in the Lord Jesus now so one can be part of His raptured bride.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
The imminence of the rapture supports a pre-tribulation view: Matt 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Matt 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. The rapture will catch people unaware like the flood in the days of Noah.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Rapture technically is in the Bible...but not in the English term "Rapture" itself. The concept is, though. It comes from the Latin word "rapturo" which translated into Greek means "Harpazo"...translated again into English meaning "to be swept up, taken up..." anything along those lines. For example, Enoch and Elijah were both raptured. The debate just lies in the technicalities of WHO is Raptured and WHEN and IF there is one before or after Christ's return. As I said earlier, I don't really have too much of an opinion because there are biblical arguments for all theories and people often manipulate the Scriptures to fit THEIR point of view and take them out of context. I'm just looking forward to the return of Christ in general.
The 7 year tribulation is found in Daniel and refers to a time pre-Christ.
Here's an excellent study on Daniel by Jay Adams:
Dr. Jay E. Adams Sermons - SermonAudio.com
Here's an excellent study on Daniel by Jay Adams:
Dr. Jay E. Adams Sermons - SermonAudio.com
We are in a general tribulation now, Thee "great tribulation" is a reference to the destruction of 1st Century Jerusalem and Roman epic Caesar cult that 1st century Christians found themselves in, which is what John in Revelation 1 was talking about. This general tribulation existed since the fall of man, in which Satan and His minions tried and try to disrupt the plans of God.
There will be a time when all who in the grave will raise again, some to eternal life and some to eternal condemnation.
John 5
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice [SUP]29 [/SUP]and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
One general resurrection too. Not two or three resurrections where some are raised now, then at the end of the 7 (so called ) tribulation, and at the end of 1000 yrs. Heh, lets get real
There will be a time when all who in the grave will raise again, some to eternal life and some to eternal condemnation.
John 5
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice [SUP]29 [/SUP]and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
One general resurrection too. Not two or three resurrections where some are raised now, then at the end of the 7 (so called ) tribulation, and at the end of 1000 yrs. Heh, lets get real
Z
Here is the perfect response. I've spent 28 years in different churches, listening to different speakers, reading different ideas. Very few actually agree to the letter on what will happen, and everyone has some kind of scriptural back up for their stance. I finally decided I would cut through the garbage, and get on my own in scripture and find my own answer. God has given me peace with that, and with the answer I believe I found. Search scriptures, pray, ask God.
Yeah, you said you thought it was going to happen within 2 weeks, and when was that? about a month ago?
Deut. 18:22
Deut. 18:22
No, you had a dream or vision bro... It just proves what I've been telling you all along, that dreams and visions are unreliable and always need to be checked to the Word of God. BTW, everyday I live in the expectation that the Lord can come. I also live in the spirit of His resurrection. But don't you have to wait for a temple to be rebuilt?
I'm not mocking your faith or love for God bro, just your theology and method of receiving it...
I'm not mocking your faith or love for God bro, just your theology and method of receiving it...
G
...after removing all pre-conceived notions that we have been taught and exposed to -- so that our perception and understanding of what scripture is actually telling us is not "skewed"...
'What does it say?' before 'What does it mean?'
Pre-Trib #1
Pre-Trib #2
Pre-Trib #3
'What does it say?' before 'What does it mean?'
Pre-Trib #1
Pre-Trib #2
Pre-Trib #3