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7seven7

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What then do you need it for?
Who said I need it? Meditating on the deeds of the Lord is certainly an action praised by Scripture (Ps. 77:12; St. Luke 1:49). Catholics have, for almost eight centuries, obtained many spiritual and temporal benefits from the faithful recitation of the Holy Rosary and know that, together with their Baptism, faith in Christ and obeying the Ten Commandments, it will help get them to Heaven. Notice I said HELP!!

I never said I need it. Do you only do things you need to do? Do you only give God the bare essentials in order to secure your place in Heaven? I don't think so. Neither do I. I don't need it, but it helps.
 
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7seven7

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Ok, brother. But I never said that all our traditions were biblical. Peace, all the same. And you are right. I may have come accross in an un-brotherly manner, and I'm sorry. God bless you.
 
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loveme1

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Who said I need it? Meditating on the deeds of the Lord is certainly an action praised by Scripture (Ps. 77:12; St. Luke 1:49). Catholics have, for almost eight centuries, obtained many spiritual and temporal benefits from the faithful recitation of the Holy Rosary and know that, together with their Baptism, faith in Christ and obeying the Ten Commandments, it will help get them to Heaven. Notice I said HELP!!

I never said I need it. Do you only do things you need to do? Do you only give God the bare essentials in order to secure your place in Heaven? I don't think so. Neither do I. I don't need it, but it helps.
It will help them into heaven..

reciting the rosary

Baptism, Faith in Christ and Obeying the 10 Commandments

Those things you state help a person into heaven.
 

JaumeJ

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So meditating on Christ's life here on earth is wrong too now? Wow you people will twist anything to make the Catholic Church look wrong.
Once more without dignity whatsoever. How many times do people have to repeat that Yeshua was born, presented in the temple etc. How many times must one realize that the Angel came to Mary and to Joseph to inform them of their Son? Are the people in your assembly stuck in the rut or what.

Meditating is not memorizing events in the Word, it is learning the Word with understanding. This is also the freedom we received from Yeshua when He washed us all with His Precious Blood.

We come together in His Name. Anyone who truly loves Him, worships Him, learns His Gospel, and works to be approved in Him is my family. Although I cannot honestly choose the correct denomination, all who do this are my family no matter what theology they think they are members of.

What I am taught not to do is to take from the poor to dress dolls in luxurious wear and bejewel these dolls with precious stones, and then parade them around the streets venerating them. They taste not, they walk not, they talk not, and they hear not.

I am not taught to ask those who sleep in the dust to talk to the Father for me, because my Lord and Savior suffered and died in order to be my only Mediator to God. To pray asking Mary and pope designated saints to pray for me would be an abomination in the sight of God.

You know this must be true in your heart, however if you do not, no one is able to help you. I pray God will show you the Light of His wisdom in these hinderances to faith.
 
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loveme1

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Revelation 18

4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Let us never forget these words : "my people" we know they are in there and must try to call them out, though none can be dragged out.

Share what is written in hope they may be dazzled by the Light to seek it further.
 
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kenisyes

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This is a response to 7Seven and quotes his post to me.


First of all, Catholics DON'T teach that "Scripture can only be properly interpreted by the Magisterium". We are encouraged to study and learn Scripture for ourselves. But just like all the rest of our Christian brothers and sisters, we see much sense in how our mother Church interprets Scripture. So don't go pointing the finger at Catholics like we're the only ones being taught by our Church leaders. And we don't simply cite an approved teacher of ours. All I have done in this place is give the Catholic Church's position on arguments in here, which I normally agree with, obviously, and carry on with the discussion.
I have catholic education through the Master's Degree, and 10 years full-time ministry in the Catholic Chruch. Here is a staring place so you can find out what you are supposed to believe: "Since the council of Trent the documents of the Magisterium have very clearly affirmed that the Magisterium alone has the function of giving an authentic interpretation of Scripture." See paragraph #10 of:Magisterium, Scripture and Catholic Exegetes by Thomas McGovern


"Catholicism, according to their own sociologist Andrew Greeley, is as much a sub-culture as it is a church. You cannot pull them out of it, because their entire identity, life script structure, and social life depends on keeping to the practices of their childhood."
Friend, the only thing my life depends on here on earth is my love for Christ and His love for me. You cannot pull me out of the Catholic Church is because I truly see Christ in her. My entire identity now is "a follower of Christ." Stop talking like you know all Catholics. My social life depends on keeping the practices of what Christ has shown me in the past year since I have come to know Him. You're wrong again.

Sociology deals with large samples and averages. I am not trying to pull you out of anything. The writer of the OP is attempting to pull someone out, and I am providing advice from catholic scholars that may be applicable.

"Ask them how they feel about Jesus."
Go on, brother, ask me how I feel about Jesus, my savior.

And we would agree, as would they. As I said.

"The disagreement occurs over whether a man is necessary as an intermediary between Jesus and a saved person."
There is only a disagreement if you think that an intermediary is necessary between Jesus and anyone on earth. Because that is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. We need no intermediary. There you go spreading false accusations about the Holy Catholic Church again. God forgive you.

So if you commit a mortal sin, tell God you are sorry, and then have a chance to go to confession, and do not, where will you personally go when you die? If you say heaven, you are not Catholic. If you say to hell, you are not Scriptural.

"Typical ways are refusing to acknowledge a divorce from a wife-beating spouse, refusing to acknowledge ministries, etc."
The Church doesn't allow divorce because it states quite plainly in the bible that man shouldn't separate what God has joined. The Church doesn't say that she must live with her abusive husband. But she must not remarry. And neither him remarry. They must try and find help from the thousands of avenues available to us these days. And who can forget prayer? She must pray. The Lord will answer. With the faith of a mustard seed she will tell this mountain to move and it will move. And what do you mean by "refusing to acknowledge ministries?"
You are correct. If a woman leaves an abusive spouse, receives a divorce, but not an annulment, remarries, and receives the Eucharist, it is a mortal sin. A lot of people don't like this. It is probably the most common reason I saw in my own minstry. I do not quote this as a matter of doctrine, but as a matter of commonly observed offense, as perceived by Catholics.

The second "refusing to acknowledge ministries" you are probably too young to realize has happened. In 1968, the Charismatic renewal started in the Cath. Ch. Catholics who did not like it felt threatened, and slowly, by 1982 say, forced out almost everyone involved. Today, almost all the new non-mainline churches come from a root created by those forced out people. Again, not a matter of doctrine, but of my experience in what people did not like.
 
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hattiebod

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Loveme1 there is a reason why we, as Catholics, say that we DO NOT worship Mary. It because we DO NOT worship Mary. The reason why you won't accept us saying this is because it goes against your accusations at the Catholic Church. But loveme1, we DO NOT worship Mary. lol its as simple as that, really. And we pray the Lord's prayer. When we recite the Hail Mary, all we are doing is repeating what Mary Magdalene and Angel Gabriel said to Mary. Straight out of the Holy Bible. The same Holy Bible that you guys accuse us of going against. And WE RECITE SOMETHING FROM IT!!! OH MY GOODNESS!!! What are you going to accuse us of next? loveme1, let go of that grudge and just accept that what you believe is not the only way it can be. Relax and show your brothers and sisters some love instead of making some of them angry (not me). God bless.
The Catholic church tells that 'Her Mary's' prayer is all powerful as He will refuse her nothing. So, there is the concept of Mary standing between us and Jesus to obtain our pardon is found no where in the word of God. Mary is also a 'mediatrix of all graces' but the Bible tells us there is one mediator, Christ. Its interesting isn't it...in 13 letter written by Paul, one by James, 3 by John....no mention of Mary! The gospels never mention Mary interceding for us, but Pope Gregory XV1 said, 'Mary is the only hope for sinners.' So....I disagree, especially as all the catholics i know admit they pray to Mary!! By the way, there is a great book by Terry Arnold, called 'To Catholics whom I love'. It is a concise Australian book looking at the teachings of the Catholic church, tested by the Word of God. I was given this book by a dear catholic friend....after she became a 'born-again' believer in Christ alone . God Bless you, <><
 
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hattiebod

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THE INTERCESSION OF THE SERVANT OF GOD
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]O Blessed Trinity
We thank You for having graced the Church
with Pope John Paul II
and for allowing the tenderness of your Fatherly care,
the glory of the cross of Christ,
and the splendor of the Holy Spirit,
to shine through him.
Trusting fully in Your infinite mercy
and in the maternal intercession of Mary,
he has given us a living image of Jesus the Good Shepherd,
and has shown us that holiness
is the necessary measure of ordinary Christian life
and is the way of achieving eternal communion with you.
Grant us, by his intercession, and according to Your will,
the graces we implore, hoping that he will soon be numbered
among your saints.
Amen.

The prayer said at the funeral of Pope John Paul. The sad thing is...the false teaching can be subtle. This however is not, it clearly shows that Mary is seen as a co-redemptrix with Christ. Which is horribly wrong. For those who dare say this...we are condemned as un-loving. We are warned against false teaching by Christ himself, and He also said it would be very hard to stand for the Truth. But, Christ is the Truth and He alone, His blood shed. His mother was a precious, chosen woman but not ever are we to beseech her as an intermediary. God Bless us all as we stand firm & defend His Truth. <>< [/SIZE]
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Widdekind

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When Christianity was waxing, after Pentecost c.30 AD, whilst "God in heaven" was transmitting Holy Spirit to the Church on earth, Church leaders were able to argue against, and ban, numerous "heresies", so preserving the integrity of the "body of Christ". The Apostles argued against Judaizers, Jesus Christ argued against Nicolatians (Rev 2-3), and Church leaders argued against Gnostics. Thus, although "heresies" arose, they remained marginalized, so preserving Apostolic Orthodoxy, and the integrity of the Church.

Today, in the End Times (Rev 20:7-9), some say the Holy Spirit has (largely) abandoned the Church, which wanes. The numerous branches of Protestantism, nearly as numerous as the number of Christians, resembles what the early waxing Church would have looked like, if Jesus, the Apostles, and Church leaders, had never been able to reign in "heresies". Arguably, only Orthodox Christianity has never succumbed to such schisms. (Catholics modified the Creed of Victory (Nicene Creed), adding et filioque; and then from them, and not from Orthodoxy, dispersed the innumerable branches of Protestantism, according to (all the) history books, in the modern era of Church defeat.)

On some specific points, i perceive Protestants' arguments persuasive, e.g. "Babylon" in Revelation symbolizes Jerusalem, not Rome (which everybody can already hate, and evidently does, as the "Beast").

this writer offers a riddle to Catholics. i do not know, and want to know, whether the Apostle Peter actually had a Popish primacy. So, if the Apostle Peter was primus inter pares, then in the symbolic image of the "heavenly spiritual New Jerusalem" (Rev 21-22), wherein Jesus and the 11 faithful Apostles are symbolized as 12 "spiritual foundation stones", which foundation stone symbolizes Jesus Christ; and which the Apostle Peter ?
 
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Widdekind

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Revelation 18



Let us never forget these words : "my people" we know they are in there and must try to call them out, though none can be dragged out.
Calling Christians out of "Babylon" symbolizes the flight of (Jewish) Christians from Jerusalem, in 70 AD, per the Prophesy of Jesus Christ, given on the Mount of Olives (Matt 24=Luke 21), c.30 AD. According to Church leader Eusebius, they fled to Pella, northeast of Jerusalem, near where Jesus had exorcised a "legion" of Demons from a gentile (Mark 5=Matt 8=Luke 8), who had then preached Jesus around the region; and, relatedly, where an early Christian community was located.

That Scripture was Prophetically fulfilled, in 70 AD, during destruction of Jerusalem, during the first Jewish war.
 
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PeteWaldo

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So I woke up today and this was on my mind and I couldnt go back to sleep... so I was raised Catholic but now Im a Christian so I know a little bit about Catholic faith. I still have family members that are still in that faith and I want to inform them but I want to get some opinions before I do cus one gets real offense if you question their beliefs. Anyways so Catholics pray to other saints including the virgin Mary. But in the Bible Exodus 20:3-5 you shall not have no others gods before me.... Wouldnt that be against Gods law to pray to other saints? and with taking communion every sunday, they require that you be baptisted and have your first communion before you part take and that happens usually when your a kid. In 1Corinthians 11:27-32 ( im not going to post it but please look it up) and it talks about how if you take communion in an unworthy manner then you bring judgement on yourself. Now just because I was baptisted ex as a kid doesnt mean as an adult Im right with the Lord. Back then, yes I would go to church and pray every now and then but I wouldnt say I was right with the Lord. So unknowingly I was bring judgement on myself, right? So shouldnt they explain that more to the people that partake in communion, so they dont bring judgement on themselves. When I started going to Christian church they explained it in detail why we should and shouldnt partake in it. Why doesnt the Catholic church do that? Well some may but the one I used to go to didnt. I didnt become Christian till after I was paralzed. It kind of make me think...
I recommend you go out and get a copy of "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola. He doesn't go much easier of the Protestant Church usurpation of the authority of Jesus Christ either. A good read for all Christians.
 

JaumeJ

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Pasted below is from another of my posts in another thread. It most surely applies here.

When any person is committed to any denomination he cannot be fully devoted to Jesus Christ, Yeshua, nor can he understand the Word fully, for he has accepted the enlistment of another.
 

loveme1

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Calling Christians out of "Babylon" symbolizes the flight of (Jewish) Christians from Jerusalem, in 70 AD, per the Prophesy of Jesus Christ, given on the Mount of Olives (Matt 24=Luke 21), c.30 AD. According to Church leader Eusebius, they fled to Pella, northeast of Jerusalem, near where Jesus had exorcised a "legion" of Demons from a gentile (Mark 5=Matt 8=Luke 8), who had then preached Jesus around the region; and, relatedly, where an early Christian community was located.

That Scripture was Prophetically fulfilled, in 70 AD, during destruction of Jerusalem, during the first Jewish war.
A matter of interpretation :)
 

JaumeJ

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I recommend everyone listen to the teaching of our Lord and Savior, Yeshua.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Do not go out and buy any writings about the Word when Yeshua will teach you directly. Read His Word, for He is the Word, and believe His Word, which is believing Yeshua.

If anyone wishes to be confused about any issues in the Word, by all means, continue reading about it. Keep walking around the Temple, but the Door is open.
 
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Widdekind

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A matter of interpretation :)
interpretation of allot of evidence...

from the Gospels thru Revelation, the Greek words "mega-polis" (great city) consistently refer to Jerusalem. Evidently, Jesus and the Apostles called Jerusalem the "megapolis". And, in Rev, the great city = Babylon = Jerusalem.

So, calling people out of Babylon = flight from Jerusalem.

there's no trickery or slight-of-hand here. Do a Strong's search, on BLB.com, for mega + polis ("G3173 + G4172"). And, once megapolis = Jerusalem (Matt 5), then megapolis = Babylon = Jerusalem (Rev).

Meanwhile, please ponder competing theories -- if the Tribulation is in our future, then the Apostle John wrote to Christians suffering under Nero, about hypothetical events, thousands & thousands of years in their future. Why would that offer consolation ?

No -- John wrote to 1st century AD Christians, suffering under Nero, about the doom of Jerusalem (behind the persecutions of Christians); the doom of Nero (ditto); and the doom of the pagan Roman empire, beginning a glorious future Millennial Reign of the Saints on earth.
 
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But according to the Bible, they had good reason for making it Mandatory.
How so?

Remember, men and women know full well that they cannot marry after joining the monastery or convent. They give their full consent. The Catholic Church doesn't force anybody to become a priest, brother. They just say that if they do, they must not marry.
I don't ever recall that policy coming from God, though; its based on the personal opinions of Paul. Tradition says Peter was the first Pope, but the Bible says he was married (Matthew 8:14).
 

SparkleEyes

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lol which Bible do you rely on, Sparkle? And how do you know it is the Correct translation? You obviously rely on it COMPLETELY for your salvation. If you rely on it so much, you really need to know that it is the correct translation, right? Because there are so many different translations out there these days. So, how do you know?
I am not referring to the Christian Bible, but to the Book of Mormon in the LDS church and for the Catholic church the book of prayers the nuns and others use when they worship. Also, both have a series of proclamations (canons) that contain updates, proclamations and current "revelations" their followers should adhere to.
 
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Praise God for his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

Pray for the deluded souls who attack her.

Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
 

Katy-follower

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Praise God for his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

Pray for the deluded souls who attack her.

Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
No, rather, prayers for the souls that defend a false doctrine and remain in bondage.

Exposing a false doctrine does not mean the church is being persecuted, as if it has truth.

God saves who He chooses. Salvation is not limited to a particular building or system. All who call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. The church is made up of Christians who have been born again, who worship God in spirit and in truth. They are part of the body of Christ, wherever they are. Believers are scattered everywhere... some in prison, some in hospital, some fighting in Iraq. Anyone who has had the born again experience is saved and part of the body of Christ.

As I sit here typing, I am part of the church. When another believer visits we have fellowship as 2 members of the church.

Without scripture a person will always be deceived and some sadly depend on what others tell them. We're told to test everything against scripture. We must test every doctrine. Catholic doctrine fails. You've been warned several times on this site, so you can't say in the future that you weren't told.

There are two women mentioned in scripture..... one of God and one of antichrist (the counterfeit). Without scripture to test all things, as the Bereans did, a person will be deceived.

Read the book of 1 John, as it's a test to make sure you're part of the true church.


WOMAN 1.....

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WOMAN 2 (COUNTERFEIT).....

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Catholicism is based on works. There is no work you can do. It is the work of the Holy Spirit that produces fruit. There is nothing else, only faith in the cross and not Mary or any other saint. only Jesus. Argue with that.