Does God choose our names?
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James 1:13 Romans 5:12... Are key verses I am going to base this post off of...
So God creates Laws, both natural laws, ie conservation of mass, and spiritual laws, ie thou shall not kill...
Man has free will, man chooses not to follow the laws, man brings sin into the world....
Lucifer decided not to follow the law, Lucifer creates sin.
God can create Lucifer and Adam... But he cannot create free will... If God created free will it would not be free will but election.... Because our free will could only operate within the parameters of his choosing...
Man and Lucifer can use this free will to make music, or a house, or sin...
So God creates Laws, both natural laws, ie conservation of mass, and spiritual laws, ie thou shall not kill...
Man has free will, man chooses not to follow the laws, man brings sin into the world....
Lucifer decided not to follow the law, Lucifer creates sin.
God can create Lucifer and Adam... But he cannot create free will... If God created free will it would not be free will but election.... Because our free will could only operate within the parameters of his choosing...
Man and Lucifer can use this free will to make music, or a house, or sin...
Okay I'm not saying God made Lucifer sin. Lucifer sinned on his own. What I'm sayin' is Lucifer could not commit the act of sin in the first place unless God created sin. Lucifer can't create. You bring up these things like creating a pencil. But all a pencil is a combination of things that God already made. At the end of the day, a pencil is still wood and lead which are God's creation.
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made
All good, but it is 12am I need to be awake in 6 hours...
So for my final post tonight I will conclude with this... (Feel free to post more or message, but posting on this might be better as others with more knowledge can chime in)
God cannot sin... To even think of killing someone is a sin... To have it in your heart or mind is a sin...
To have God create sin is virtually impossible considering the parameters He has set...
Next, one definition of Sin is breaking His law... God's law is His character.
God has stated that He cannot lie... a logical progression which is too long for the amount of time I have concludes to God cannot break His own character. Therefore God cannot sin.
If God cannot sin, and sin is merely your heart or mind in dis-accordance of his law then how can God create it?
God created man, and gave us a law, do not eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge (giving us a choice)... We ate the fruit which gave us the knowledge of Good and Evil, and free will... With this free will we brought sin into the world, not God...
God created Lucifer, and gave lucifer laws, lucifer decided to break the laws and brought sin into existence, ie created it...
So God cannot have sin nor be in sin, and Lucifer created sin by turning against God's law, and man brought in sin to the earth by turning against God's law...
But God did create salvation, by dying on the cross and taking our sins away through his blood.
So for my final post tonight I will conclude with this... (Feel free to post more or message, but posting on this might be better as others with more knowledge can chime in)
God cannot sin... To even think of killing someone is a sin... To have it in your heart or mind is a sin...
To have God create sin is virtually impossible considering the parameters He has set...
Next, one definition of Sin is breaking His law... God's law is His character.
God has stated that He cannot lie... a logical progression which is too long for the amount of time I have concludes to God cannot break His own character. Therefore God cannot sin.
If God cannot sin, and sin is merely your heart or mind in dis-accordance of his law then how can God create it?
God created man, and gave us a law, do not eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge (giving us a choice)... We ate the fruit which gave us the knowledge of Good and Evil, and free will... With this free will we brought sin into the world, not God...
God created Lucifer, and gave lucifer laws, lucifer decided to break the laws and brought sin into existence, ie created it...
So God cannot have sin nor be in sin, and Lucifer created sin by turning against God's law, and man brought in sin to the earth by turning against God's law...
But God did create salvation, by dying on the cross and taking our sins away through his blood.
All good, but it is 12am I need to be awake in 6 hours...
So for my final post tonight I will conclude with this... (Feel free to post more or message, but posting on this might be better as others with more knowledge can chime in)
God cannot sin... To even think of killing someone is a sin... To have it in your heart or mind is a sin...
To have God create sin is virtually impossible considering the parameters He has set...
Next, one definition of Sin is breaking His law... God's law is His character.
God has stated that He cannot lie... a logical progression which is too long for the amount of time I have concludes to God cannot break His own character. Therefore God cannot sin.
If God cannot sin, and sin is merely your heart or mind in dis-accordance of his law then how can God create it?
God created man, and gave us a law, do not eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge (giving us a choice)... We ate the fruit which gave us the knowledge of Good and Evil, and free will... With this free will we brought sin into the world, not God...
God created Lucifer, and gave lucifer laws, lucifer decided to break the laws and brought sin into existence, ie created it...
So God cannot have sin nor be in sin, and Lucifer created sin by turning against God's law, and man brought in sin to the earth by turning against God's law...
But God did create salvation, by dying on the cross and taking our sins away through his blood.
So for my final post tonight I will conclude with this... (Feel free to post more or message, but posting on this might be better as others with more knowledge can chime in)
God cannot sin... To even think of killing someone is a sin... To have it in your heart or mind is a sin...
To have God create sin is virtually impossible considering the parameters He has set...
Next, one definition of Sin is breaking His law... God's law is His character.
God has stated that He cannot lie... a logical progression which is too long for the amount of time I have concludes to God cannot break His own character. Therefore God cannot sin.
If God cannot sin, and sin is merely your heart or mind in dis-accordance of his law then how can God create it?
God created man, and gave us a law, do not eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge (giving us a choice)... We ate the fruit which gave us the knowledge of Good and Evil, and free will... With this free will we brought sin into the world, not God...
God created Lucifer, and gave lucifer laws, lucifer decided to break the laws and brought sin into existence, ie created it...
So God cannot have sin nor be in sin, and Lucifer created sin by turning against God's law, and man brought in sin to the earth by turning against God's law...
But God did create salvation, by dying on the cross and taking our sins away through his blood.
I love John 1:1-4 my favorite quote in all the bible....
It is a very tricky thing to separate material and im material things....
God created the possibility of free will, man and Lucifer obtained free will through choice (a logical brain twister in wording)
God created laws, Lucifer and man chose not to follow the laws...
This is the definition of sin... Not following the laws of God, or as many put it, falling short of the glory of God.
God made laws, Lucifer chose not to follow them, ie creating sin...
It is a very tricky thing to separate material and im material things....
God created the possibility of free will, man and Lucifer obtained free will through choice (a logical brain twister in wording)
God created laws, Lucifer and man chose not to follow the laws...
This is the definition of sin... Not following the laws of God, or as many put it, falling short of the glory of God.
God made laws, Lucifer chose not to follow them, ie creating sin...
God cannot create evil... It is against His nature, and would therefor be sin... Which would mean God sins...
Evil has taken on a very warped meaning... We use it in the correct way, but define it with the incorrect moral standings...
We say hitler is evil because he is not good.... But in truth we are still not defining evil...
Evil is going against the nature of God, and to go against the nature of God you break his laws.
Evil has taken on a very warped meaning... We use it in the correct way, but define it with the incorrect moral standings...
We say hitler is evil because he is not good.... But in truth we are still not defining evil...
Evil is going against the nature of God, and to go against the nature of God you break his laws.
God cannot create evil... It is against His nature, and would therefor be sin... Which would mean God sins...
Evil has taken on a very warped meaning... We use it in the correct way, but define it with the incorrect moral standings...
We say hitler is evil because he is not good.... But in truth we are still not defining evil...
Evil is going against the nature of God, and to go against the nature of God you break his laws.
Evil has taken on a very warped meaning... We use it in the correct way, but define it with the incorrect moral standings...
We say hitler is evil because he is not good.... But in truth we are still not defining evil...
Evil is going against the nature of God, and to go against the nature of God you break his laws.
Here is a conundrum.... But before I start I would ask you to read and take to heart James 1:13...
So if God created us without the ability to sin, we would have no free choice, with no free choice we would be robots... You would be no different than the computer you are using right now... You could only do what you are told nothing more...
God gave us the ability to either follow him or not, out of love... So we could be conscious and unique and sentient.... We chose not to follow him. We chose sin...
He created us to be with him and to be perfect, and we chose to be away from him and in sin... So God went out and sent His only son to take our sins upon him, and to set us free... To take us back from sin so we could be perfect again...
God does not want us in sin, nor did he create us for sin... He created us for perfection, and has done everything in His power, which is more than we could ever realize even if we took all of eternity to try to under stand it... To take us back out of sin and make us perfect.
So if God created us without the ability to sin, we would have no free choice, with no free choice we would be robots... You would be no different than the computer you are using right now... You could only do what you are told nothing more...
God gave us the ability to either follow him or not, out of love... So we could be conscious and unique and sentient.... We chose not to follow him. We chose sin...
He created us to be with him and to be perfect, and we chose to be away from him and in sin... So God went out and sent His only son to take our sins upon him, and to set us free... To take us back from sin so we could be perfect again...
God does not want us in sin, nor did he create us for sin... He created us for perfection, and has done everything in His power, which is more than we could ever realize even if we took all of eternity to try to under stand it... To take us back out of sin and make us perfect.
here is a better illistration through a badly drawn comp. pic....
God creates laws for us...
A lumber yard creates lumber for me...
God gives laws to us...
Lumber yard gives lumber to me...
Man takes laws cutting it and reshaping it and adding different things to it to create sin.
I take lumber cutting it and reshaping it and adding different things to it to create a house.
We never created anything new, we broke what was there to create sin...
Likewise I never created anything new, I broke what was there to make a house...
God creates laws for us...
A lumber yard creates lumber for me...
God gives laws to us...
Lumber yard gives lumber to me...
Man takes laws cutting it and reshaping it and adding different things to it to create sin.
I take lumber cutting it and reshaping it and adding different things to it to create a house.
We never created anything new, we broke what was there to create sin...
Likewise I never created anything new, I broke what was there to make a house...
To make sin you break the law....
God cannot break his own law, so he cannot sin...
Lucifer broke the law and created sin.
For instance, if I say, South_FLA don't pick up your hand, and you pick up your hand in rebel.
Did you create anything new? No, you chose the alternative...
The reason Satan created sin, is because before him rejecting the law, there was no rejection of the law... He created it.... He was the first...
The same way our founding fathers created a Republic, before them there was no republic, it is an alternative idea, no creation of matter needed.
Lewis and Clark created a path into the heartland of America, before them the U.S. had none... They did create anything new per-say, they were just the first.
God cannot create it because he cannot be apart of it by definition and by morality.
God cannot break his own law, so he cannot sin...
Lucifer broke the law and created sin.
For instance, if I say, South_FLA don't pick up your hand, and you pick up your hand in rebel.
Did you create anything new? No, you chose the alternative...
The reason Satan created sin, is because before him rejecting the law, there was no rejection of the law... He created it.... He was the first...
The same way our founding fathers created a Republic, before them there was no republic, it is an alternative idea, no creation of matter needed.
Lewis and Clark created a path into the heartland of America, before them the U.S. had none... They did create anything new per-say, they were just the first.
God cannot create it because he cannot be apart of it by definition and by morality.
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