i don't read to much into my name because I could care less about it I was merely explaining that for the discussion of the topic. But my point was that mary didn't have knowledge of his name, who was the source of the name God or mary? Who knew what the babies name was? if something is given to you and you then give it to someone else then you can't say it was from you because it was given to you to give to someone else
Does God choose our names?
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The case of mary is not the same as the cases of normal parents. Jesus was already named Jesus before hand because he was always in existence however mary had no knowledge of his name and had to be told what his name was.
as for normal parents if God chooses names it would be influenced not told and this isn't to say that all names are chosen by God as i doubt he chooses everyones names but it wouldn't surprise me if he specifically placed a name for a child in a parents train of thought.
this is of course all speculation to know for sure if he chooses names for us or not we cannot truly know
as for normal parents if God chooses names it would be influenced not told and this isn't to say that all names are chosen by God as i doubt he chooses everyones names but it wouldn't surprise me if he specifically placed a name for a child in a parents train of thought.
this is of course all speculation to know for sure if he chooses names for us or not we cannot truly know
If we are talking about just Jesus, yes, God named himself...
If we are talking about us, our parents name us... But as in the case I showed with the first 8 patriarchs of the bible, our names can be Inspired.
LOL I was confused how you were getting your defense
I bet you were with me too
If we are talking about us, our parents name us... But as in the case I showed with the first 8 patriarchs of the bible, our names can be Inspired.
LOL I was confused how you were getting your defense
I bet you were with me too
Yes, He going to choose a new names, especially for his sons and daughters KJVRevelation3;12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out; and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God; and I will write upon him my new name.
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That's pretty good, a few names left, Shem ham Yefet.
Looking at the orginal Hebrew and Aramaic writings before Greek or English. Father investigation to be sure of proper translations isn't a bad idea.
Gen 5
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam, in the day that Elohim created man. In the likeness of Elohim made He him;
2 Male and female created He them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and called his name Shet.
4 And the days of Adam after he begot Shet, were eight hundred years, and he begot sons and daughters.
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died.
6 And Shet lived a hundred and five years, and begot Enosh.
7 And Shet lived after he begot Enosh, eight hundred and seven years and begot sons and daughters.
8 And all the days of Shet were nine hundred and twelve years, and he died.
9 And Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Kenan.
10 And Enosh lived after he begot Kenan, eight hundred and fifteen years and begot sons and daughters.
11 And all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years, and he died.
12 And Kenan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalal’el.
13 And Kenan lived after he begot Mahalal’el, eight hundred and forty years and begot sons and daughters.
14 And all the days of Kenan were nine hundred and ten years, and he died.
15 And Mahalal’el lived sixty and five years, and begot Yared.
16 And Mahalal’el lived after he begot Yared, eight hundred and thirty years, and begot sons and daughters.
17 And all the days of Mahalal’el were eight hundred ninety and five years, and he died. 18 And Yared lived a hundred sixty and two years, and begot Chanoch.
19 And Yared lived after he begot Chanoch, eight hundred years and begot sons and daughters.
20 And all the days of Yared were nine hundred sixty and two years, and he died. 21 And Chanoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Metushelach.
22 And Chanoch walked with10 Elohim, after he begot Metushelach, three hundred years and begot sons and daughters.
23 And all the days of Chanoch were three hundred sixty and five years.
24 And Chanoch walked with11 Elohim and he was not, for Elohim took him.
25 And Metushelach lived a hundred eighty and seven years, and begot Lamech.
26 And Metushelach lived after he begot Lamech, seven hundred eighty and two years and begot sons and daughters.
27 And all the days of Metushelach were nine hundred sixty and nine years, and he died. 28 And Lamech lived a hundred eighty and two years, and begot a son.
29 And he called his name Noach, saying, This same shall comfort us in our work and in the toil of our hands, which comes from the earth which YHWH has cursed.
30 And Lamech lived after he begot Noach, five hundred ninety and five years, and begot sons and daughters.
31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years, and he died.
32 And Noach was five hundred years old. And Noach begot Shem, Ham, and Yefet.
Looking at the orginal Hebrew and Aramaic writings before Greek or English. Father investigation to be sure of proper translations isn't a bad idea.
Gen 5
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam, in the day that Elohim created man. In the likeness of Elohim made He him;
2 Male and female created He them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and called his name Shet.
4 And the days of Adam after he begot Shet, were eight hundred years, and he begot sons and daughters.
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died.
6 And Shet lived a hundred and five years, and begot Enosh.
7 And Shet lived after he begot Enosh, eight hundred and seven years and begot sons and daughters.
8 And all the days of Shet were nine hundred and twelve years, and he died.
9 And Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Kenan.
10 And Enosh lived after he begot Kenan, eight hundred and fifteen years and begot sons and daughters.
11 And all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years, and he died.
12 And Kenan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalal’el.
13 And Kenan lived after he begot Mahalal’el, eight hundred and forty years and begot sons and daughters.
14 And all the days of Kenan were nine hundred and ten years, and he died.
15 And Mahalal’el lived sixty and five years, and begot Yared.
16 And Mahalal’el lived after he begot Yared, eight hundred and thirty years, and begot sons and daughters.
17 And all the days of Mahalal’el were eight hundred ninety and five years, and he died. 18 And Yared lived a hundred sixty and two years, and begot Chanoch.
19 And Yared lived after he begot Chanoch, eight hundred years and begot sons and daughters.
20 And all the days of Yared were nine hundred sixty and two years, and he died. 21 And Chanoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Metushelach.
22 And Chanoch walked with10 Elohim, after he begot Metushelach, three hundred years and begot sons and daughters.
23 And all the days of Chanoch were three hundred sixty and five years.
24 And Chanoch walked with11 Elohim and he was not, for Elohim took him.
25 And Metushelach lived a hundred eighty and seven years, and begot Lamech.
26 And Metushelach lived after he begot Lamech, seven hundred eighty and two years and begot sons and daughters.
27 And all the days of Metushelach were nine hundred sixty and nine years, and he died. 28 And Lamech lived a hundred eighty and two years, and begot a son.
29 And he called his name Noach, saying, This same shall comfort us in our work and in the toil of our hands, which comes from the earth which YHWH has cursed.
30 And Lamech lived after he begot Noach, five hundred ninety and five years, and begot sons and daughters.
31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years, and he died.
32 And Noach was five hundred years old. And Noach begot Shem, Ham, and Yefet.
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Do you and South mind if I tackle the other side of that debate? I'm very passionate about it, but I don't think it's so important that we lose salvation on our beliefs with it.
(That is, I'm warning you I can sound cocky, but, despite what so many people keep thinking I'm doing, I don't get angry just because people disagree. I just really disagree with the definition of "free will" as taught in Christian circles.)
(That is, I'm warning you I can sound cocky, but, despite what so many people keep thinking I'm doing, I don't get angry just because people disagree. I just really disagree with the definition of "free will" as taught in Christian circles.)
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God has attributes -- aspects of his personality. He is merciful, long-suffering, loving, etc. Right? Another attribute he has is he is sinless. Given God is perfect and truly capable of creating, can he create something that is not in him to create?
Or to bring it down to levels we understand, I'm kind of creative. (Not up to God's levels where I can make something out of nothing, but give me material to use and I can fashion it into something.) One of the things I can create are stories. I love telling or writing a good story. One of my other attributes is that lovemaking is a private thing. You will never see me go into intimate details on this subject because it's not in me to go there.
Now you know two things about me. Can you conceive that I'd be any good at telling or writing a romance?
I can't. It's just in me to do that or want to do that.
In the same kind of way, God never created sin. It's against his nature to be able to do that or want to do that.
Or to bring it down to levels we understand, I'm kind of creative. (Not up to God's levels where I can make something out of nothing, but give me material to use and I can fashion it into something.) One of the things I can create are stories. I love telling or writing a good story. One of my other attributes is that lovemaking is a private thing. You will never see me go into intimate details on this subject because it's not in me to go there.
Now you know two things about me. Can you conceive that I'd be any good at telling or writing a romance?
I can't. It's just in me to do that or want to do that.
In the same kind of way, God never created sin. It's against his nature to be able to do that or want to do that.
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Actually, Lucifer has his own form of creativity, just like we all do. None of us can create like God can (something from nothing.) But we all have talents to create something else, intended or unintended.
Lucifer creates. Chaos. Havoc. Hate. He's very good at planting little seeds of bad thoughts in us. And, worse yet, we're very good at getting those to grow into something bad.
Lucifer creates. Chaos. Havoc. Hate. He's very good at planting little seeds of bad thoughts in us. And, worse yet, we're very good at getting those to grow into something bad.
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Real question: Did God create Lucifer perfectly?
I ask, because God used to phrases to tell what he thought of his creation of the universe. "Good" and "Very Good." He thought everything he made was "good," except for Man, which was "very good." I don't see "perfect" in the description. Then again, that's Genesis 1, so not when he made the angels. I don't recall much from the bible on God's thoughts about angels, except Man was a little lower than them.
So, really? Do you have references for angels ever being perfect? They could exist. I may have merely missed it.
I ask, because God used to phrases to tell what he thought of his creation of the universe. "Good" and "Very Good." He thought everything he made was "good," except for Man, which was "very good." I don't see "perfect" in the description. Then again, that's Genesis 1, so not when he made the angels. I don't recall much from the bible on God's thoughts about angels, except Man was a little lower than them.
So, really? Do you have references for angels ever being perfect? They could exist. I may have merely missed it.
This is what i'm confused about. Lucifer can't create something from nothing right? So where does his evilness come from? He was in heaven with God and God made him the most powerful and beautiful angel. He could feel the love of God all day. He was surrounded by holiness. Why would he just decide to go against God? The only way I see it is Lucifer was made with an evil side in him.