Why does being Christian mean you have to hate same-sex marriage?

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smithbr8

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and also that kid could turn out gay, because as i see it the people who are okay with being gay were raised that way, not born that way....
But is it guararnteed that the kid would grow up gay?

Is it better for that child to be starving in the streets than to be raised by a homosexual couple?
 

Nautilus

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and also that kid could turn out gay, because as i see it the people who are okay with being gay were raised that way, not born that way....
Thats why so many kids are terrified of coming out to their parents...because they are so accepting and all....
 
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that's why the fear of the Lord wold straiten the ways of a man, doesn't it?,.. and ms.smith in my words was a key word providing a chance that is could, I don't claim to be wise, and if i'm wrong correct me, but I believe in God and the Bible that is His word, I should be more careful of what i teach than what others are teaching, God taught in the Old testament that homosexuality was an abomination to the Lord, and there is this whole thing about male over female. it's just bizarre to see the world acting in such a manner that most assuredly disgusts God. Even I could use some adjustments to my sinful actions.
 
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If a man teaches another man that it's okay to sin, would he sin? and if God taught not to sin, why would we sin?
 

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that's why the fear of the Lord wold straiten the ways of a man, doesn't it?,.. and ms.smith in my words was a key word providing a chance that is could, I don't claim to be wise, and if i'm wrong correct me, but I believe in God and the Bible that is His word, I should be more careful of what i teach than what others are teaching, God taught in the Old testament that homosexuality was an abomination to the Lord, and there is this whole thing about male over female. it's just bizarre to see the world acting in such a manner that most assuredly disgusts God. Even I could use some adjustments to my sinful actions.
I hate the old testament argument, because people literally apply it to nothing else. They sit in their cotton/polyester shirts eating shellfish and bacon, saying homosexuality is an abomination. I mean i understand it mentions it in the new testament, but seriously, stop using Leviticus it just makes you seem like a hypocrite.
 
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Why is it believed that homosexual couples would only raise homosexual children?
There is not any wiggle room. The cunning of satan is that once we allow wiggle room, he'll slither in an expand it. I can argue anything or rationalize anything in my mind, but I have to close myself off to these types of questions/arguments because they leave me on the edge of the precipice. God's authority is more sound than human argument.

I am a teacher and I am a parent. For the most part, children are reflections of their parents, their values, and what they put into their children. I have taught quite a few students with same-sex parents over the years and they've all had real difficulties understanding/coping with different aspects of life. These individuals carry a lot of confusion with their lives, the world, and an understanding of God, etc. Literally, according to the framework of life, existence, etc., they don't fit. That is a hard reality to carry.

sin is a disease that spread and breeds itself. homosexuality and a homosexual family framework will breed the acceptance and potential promotion of the sin disease. This is not because any man says so, but because God says so in His word. Christians are persecuted for believing and following God's word...so be it.
 
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natalius you seam to have a problem with the way i work, but All scripture is profitable and applicable did i not say i wasn't perfect.
 
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smithbr8

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There is not any wiggle room. The cunning of satan is that once we allow wiggle room, he'll slither in an expand it. I can argue anything or rationalize anything in my mind, but I have to close myself off to these types of questions/arguments because they leave me on the edge of the precipice. God's authority is more sound than human argument.

I am a teacher and I am a parent. For the most part, children are reflections of their parents, their values, and what they put into their children. I have taught quite a few students with same-sex parents over the years and they've all had real difficulties understanding/coping with different aspects of life. These individuals carry a lot of confusion with their lives, the world, and an understanding of God, etc. Literally, according to the framework of life, existence, etc., they don't fit. That is a hard reality to carry.

sin is a disease that spread and breeds itself. homosexuality and a homosexual family framework will breed the acceptance and potential promotion of the sin disease. This is not because any man says so, but because God says so in His word. Christians are persecuted for believing and following God's word...so be it.
But if that is true, then why are there any homosexual couples? Wouldn't all the straight couples have only had straight children?
 

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Eh what kind of example is that with the hindus I dont see how you can compare it but really I dont care about how homosexuals live their lives as long as they don't constantly be in your face about it or act like theyre treated like blacks during the civil rights movement, and yes there are some like that.
 
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Agravesx

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Simply because God himself calls it an abomination (in Leviticus 20:13). Sure they have sinned, and we all have, however, they are not trying truly sorry for their sins. If they were they would not be openly living the way they are and stay in that relationship. However, it is not good to send a child to either of those couples because either way they will get hurt in some form and not have a good healthy childhood.

However, one thing people tend to forget is that you must love the people who committed homosexuality just as much as you would anyone else, because you are no better than them and they are no better than you. They are sinners just as you, and right now they are just controlled by their sin. Remember, hate the sin, love the sinner.
 
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chasten

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Well theres a verse in the bible that says homosexuals whoremongers, adulterers and that sort of thing are going to hell. I mean. We are to love them anyway. As people. BUT they are going to hell. So I mean I personally wouldnt try to condone it, so as not to make god upset with me. But... if your asking if they deserve to be loved, yes, I agree they do. That way, if they ever did want to turn to god, you could be a light for them.
 
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If it were a choice between sending a child to live with a heterosexual couple who would beat them mercilessly all day, everyday, or send them to a homosexual home with loving, caring parents, who in their right mind would send it to the first house?

I don't support gay marriage for myself because I'm not a lesbian. However, I won't stop others form loving who they love. Why is it any different than letting two Hindus get married? They are in a relationship that is completely different from your own and you don't agree with their views, but there is NO thought whatsoever that we should forbid all Hindus to get married.

Love thy neighbor, why do we overlook this message sometimes, but not other times?
Who told you that being christian means you hate homosexuals? Is there scripture that says Christians must/should hate homosexuals? I see this response waaaaay to much and I stratch my head and think how do people think they know I hate homosexuals? I've never been asked or taken a poll on this....... please please answer all these questions.

Btw I don't hate homosexuals and I know homosexuality is sin.
 
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greatblue

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But if that is true, then why are there any homosexual couples? Wouldn't all the straight couples have only had straight children?
Adam and Eve gave birth to a murderer. Homosexuality is an example of the utter confusion caused by sin. Who is immune from sin? Any man or woman is potentially susceptible to all and every sin. Homosexuality is the devils attempt to overwrite creation. It literally blots out Genesis in a pure perversion of God's word and His will. It is all about God...not who we want to be or how we want it.

Poverty, racism, divorce--these are cyclical and systemic in families. They breed and rebreed crippling life views. Homosexuality is sin. If given over to an environment that promotes a sin, if we reason, then it (the sin) should flourish. That being said, weeds can pop up in the most well groomed lawns...it's satan's evil stamp on God's creation.
 
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greatblue

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Also...the real truth about homosexuality is in pedophilia. This requires research and honesty by the gay community. For example, a look into ancient Greece shows homosexuality to with men and younger boys. This is not a myth.

Now, if you were to poll honest gay men you will find that the common first experience of homosexuality is with someone significantly older. In many of these instances it is the older person who notices the younger, and then pursues. Utter sin confusion.
 
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If it were a choice between sending a child to live with a heterosexual couple who would beat them mercilessly all day, everyday, or send them to a homosexual home with loving, caring parents, who in their right mind would send it to the first house?

I don't support gay marriage for myself because I'm not a lesbian. However, I won't stop others form loving who they love. Why is it any different than letting two Hindus get married? They are in a relationship that is completely different from your own and you don't agree with their views, but there is NO thought whatsoever that we should forbid all Hindus to get married.

Love thy neighbor, why do we overlook this message sometimes, but not other times?
To answer your questions

All the bad things hetersexual couples do to thier kids are also sin... just like homosexuality.. why would you think that just because people think homosexuality is sin that all the other bad things are ok?

Love or Lust, homosexuality is a sin and biblically men and women without God are actually incapable of good things without God, God calls the righteousness of man dirty rag. See the thing is good or good things like love are pure 100% and anything less would be evil so were incapable of doing good. As for hindus... that's something God wants us to choose for ourselves... to serve God or the devil. As for allowing homosexuality to be acceptable by marriage... that's also my voice being coupled if it is accepted in our nation as ok. I chose to say it's wrong and not the definition of marriage. I don't see how their the same. I think it's ok for people to genuinely choose God by themselves or unfortunatly them not choose that's an individual thing but marriage in this case as this issue being presented... its a public thing where it's being applied to me aswell so I think of it and choose define it as God choses to define it.

And yes Christians should love thier nieghbors... and I do, I choose to love homosexual people and because I love them I'll tell them that homosexuality is sin and can take them to hell unless they repent and ask Jesus as thier lord and savior.
 
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Well theres a verse in the bible that says homosexuals whoremongers, adulterers and that sort of thing are going to hell. I mean. We are to love them anyway. As people. BUT they are going to hell. So I mean I personally wouldnt try to condone it, so as not to make god upset with me. But... if your asking if they deserve to be loved, yes, I agree they do. That way, if they ever did want to turn to god, you could be a light for them.
Anyone who lives in sin and do not trust Christ is going to hell. I see no reason to single out "homosexuals whoremongers, adulterers and that sort of thing" more than possibly on a political level (like homosexuals who demand to marry and adopt kids).
 
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chasten

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Well, seeing as the SUBJECT OF THE CHAT was why does being christian mean you have to hate same sex marriage, it was ...I dunnoo....ON TOPIC? Forgive the way I WORDED my post, and EXCUSE ME for not listing every single thing you are capable of going to hell for, in my choice of wording. NOT TO MENTION THE ACTUAL REASON IS THATS THE ONLY BIBLE VERSE I KNEW OF TO RELATE TO THE CHAT. But that okay, my fault, next time Ill be sure to list the appropriate scripture along with my verse for those who havent read it. WHICH btw. Is 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom oif God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, or effeminate, nor homosexuals. So theres my scripture, and the full verse. I looked it up for you, I sincerely hope this helps.
 

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Well, seeing as the SUBJECT OF THE CHAT was why does being christian mean you have to hate same sex marriage, it was ...I dunnoo....ON TOPIC? Forgive the way I WORDED my post, and EXCUSE ME for not listing every single thing you are capable of going to hell for, in my choice of wording. NOT TO MENTION THE ACTUAL REASON IS THATS THE ONLY BIBLE VERSE I KNEW OF TO RELATE TO THE CHAT. But that okay, my fault, next time Ill be sure to list the appropriate scripture along with my verse for those who havent read it. WHICH btw. Is 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom oif God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, or effeminate, nor homosexuals. So theres my scripture, and the full verse. I looked it up for you, I sincerely hope this helps.
Yes, you were on topic dear.

I just happen to have this critique in general of singling out some sins before others.
 
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simplyme_bekah

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When you are a child of God and actively seek to have him in your life he changes you. He changes you to the point that you hate the sin that he hates. It just is. Like for instance....when I try to go back to sinful habits I feel dirty and tainted and ashamed. Before he changed my heart I embraced that sin with glee and didn't feel bad at all. Totally different story now. Now I think of this.....this was on my facebook today and I really needed to read it.


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Nautilus

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natalius you seam to have a problem with the way i work, but All scripture is profitable and applicable did i not say i wasn't perfect.

I do have a probloem with the way you work. You are singling out one single verse from leviticus that is surrounded by an etire list of other laws. IF you dont follow those you are a hypocrite using that verse, because you are picking on law out of hundreds to emphasize. Thats why I said at least use the new testament examples therefore I dont rule out your credibility immediately.