Why does being Christian mean you have to hate same-sex marriage?

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meecha

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I do have a probloem with the way you work. You are singling out one single verse from leviticus that is surrounded by an etire list of other laws. IF you dont follow those you are a hypocrite using that verse, because you are picking on law out of hundreds to emphasize. Thats why I said at least use the new testament examples therefore I dont rule out your credibility immediately.
It is important to understand what continues into the New Covenant and what no longer applies. I will not pretend this is an easy thing but nonetheless that is what we must do. The laws in Leviticus are not on their own a basis for declaring homosexual acts contrary to God's law because as you rightly say we would then have to include the eating of pork as equally abominable. But Paul's statements in Romans 1 are indisputably refering to homosexual sex as a very specific sign of social and moral decay.Whilst immoral hetrosexual acts are no different in terms of the individual responsibility of the person commiting them the active promotion of a homosexual lifestyle is the sign that a society has rejected the God of the Bible.
 

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It is important to understand what continues into the New Covenant and what no longer applies. I will not pretend this is an easy thing but nonetheless that is what we must do. The laws in Leviticus are not on their own a basis for declaring homosexual acts contrary to God's law because as you rightly say we would then have to include the eating of pork as equally abominable. But Paul's statements in Romans 1 are indisputably refering to homosexual sex as a very specific sign of social and moral decay.Whilst immoral hetrosexual acts are no different in terms of the individual responsibility of the person commiting them the active promotion of a homosexual lifestyle is the sign that a society has rejected the God of the Bible.
So use the new testament quotes. How do you think it looks to an outside world when all people quote is Leviticus yet ignore the rest of those laws? DO you think the average person understands the difference of old and new covenants?
 
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chasten

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What does it matter WHAT verse someone chooses to use?The point of their argument, is what should be debated, not their choice of scripture. The holy ghost leads each of us individually, so not EVERYONE is going to know the same scriptures, OR put it in the same context as another. Another thing, I refuse to beleive the world processes on my level of understanding. There is always another thought process that can ovverride any that we choose to use. I think that being able to change the way to think, and understanding that just because YOU beleive someones personality or thoughts are wrong, doesnt mean that they are, and its really not your call to make. From one polar opposite to the other, so I think picking someone apart for the scripture they use, is unreasonable, and trivial. Especially since we are SUPPOSED to be in this together. Debating main points holds satisfaction. We can change thoughts, change outlooks, and change lives. Singling people out only causes chaos. WE were made by GOD to love. :)
 
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The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. There can be no arguing that it is not what God intended for a healthy, God loving, God fearing, relationship. However, as a Christian, I believe we are called not to hate the sinner, but to love the sinner. Hate the sin. I think homosexuality is wrong, but that does not mean I despise homosexuals. I work with and know several people who are homosexual. They are all hardworking, kind, and compassionate individuals. Their sin is no different than me being a former drug-addict. But, if a homosexual becomes a Christian, they will have to resist their feelings toward homosexuality. It is the same thing for those addicted to pornography. If a Christian is having difficulty with pornography, he or she must look to God for forgiveness and strength to overcome that sin.
 
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Well, the Bible do say that marriage is between a man and a woman. It doesn't say that a abusers, atheists, adulterers, and various other criminals could not get married. And yes, everyone has the right to love anyone they wish. Matter fact, our Lord commands us to love one another. Including to love the Lord with all our heart. But to love is not a matter of sex and marriage. Yes we should love who we marry. I would hope so anyway. But not marry who we love. If that being the case, i should be able to marry any body that i loved. My mother, my sister, my brother, my kids, any of my friends, my grandmother, anyone on christian chat, Robo, Abiding, skyblue7, Dutch, Neverlandman, and the list go on and on and on.

Now to letting a child live in any home where that child would be abused is wrong. That would mean any abuses! Are heterosexual the only ones who would abuse a child? Do we not see how this is becoming such an issue in what is right and what is wrong?

Marriage should be something that remains of God. Not to say all marriages are of God. Not to say, all who call themselves Christians are Christians. And not to say all love is love. We kind of try to draw our own conclusion on what all these things should mean. Where the Bible, Our Lord, is and should be the center of what we think, do, and believe. Allowing something else to go against his word, well, we see how much trouble the world is in now? Him who has ears, let them hear. Not everyone will come to the understanding of Gods words. Due to their own hearts. And when any of us comes with a selfish motive, we clearly will not have an understanding. We are just going to want to do what it is that we might feel is right. There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. (Proverbs 14:12).
 
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chesser

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First off as a Christian you are to love the sinner but hate the sin. But let share this with you. Do you know these facts about homosexuality? Now I'm sure the same thing could be said about drunks, drug abusers, criminals, and so on, but take a look, because I bet you do feel that way about drunks, drug abusers and so on

Statistics on homosexuals - 1978 to 1994

Homosexuality More Dangerous Than Smoking - Christian Newswire
get reports like these from a non-biased, non-christian site and i will look at those.
 

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All this money, time, and energy being spent on opposing gay marriage...could be spent on feeding the poor and clothing them, or some other much more useful work. I mean one is what we were called to do, one is just an exercise in futility...
 
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All this money, time, and energy being spent on opposing gay marriage...could be spent on feeding the poor and clothing them, or some other much more useful work. I mean one is what we were called to do, one is just an exercise in futility...
While we are at it, lets just let the Pedophilia have their way too. I mean its time and money being wasted on putting them in jail. Is it really about time money and energy? Or should we just close our eyes and just let em do what they want? I dont care. They are the ones who is living that life style. The question is why does being a Christian mean you have to hate same-sex marriage? And thats because the Bible tells us so. Hate the sin! Not the person.
 

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While we are at it, lets just let the Pedophilia have their way too. I mean its time and money being wasted on putting them in jail. Is it really about time money and energy? Or should we just close our eyes and just let em do what they want? I dont care. They are the ones who is living that life style. The question is why does being a Christian mean you have to hate same-sex marriage? And thats because the Bible tells us so. Hate the sin! Not the person.
This is a terrible comparison. Homosexuality for the most part occurs between two consenting ADULTS. Pedophilia only occurs one consenting adult. No one is being harmed if two guys fall in love. Its certainly not the same as a grown man taken advantage of a child. Comparisons like that are why no one listens to christians on this topic.
 
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smithbr8

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While we are at it, lets just let the Pedophilia have their way too. I mean its time and money being wasted on putting them in jail. Is it really about time money and energy? Or should we just close our eyes and just let em do what they want? I dont care. They are the ones who is living that life style. The question is why does being a Christian mean you have to hate same-sex marriage? And thats because the Bible tells us so. Hate the sin! Not the person.
The Bible also tells us to stone rape victims, that sacrificing lambs will cleanse us of our sins, that shellfish is evil, etc. etc. Yet we don't follow these parts...
 
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greatblue

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This is a terrible comparison. Homosexuality for the most part occurs between two consenting ADULTS. Pedophilia only occurs one consenting adult. No one is being harmed if two guys fall in love. Its certainly not the same as a grown man taken advantage of a child. Comparisons like that are why no one listens to christians on this topic.

Again I will tell you to do some research. Research. Everything comes from somewhere right? If you consider what I have said, and that the first homosexual experience of many is actually something even more socially reprehensible than two consenting adults, does that not also become "part of" homosexuality. Again, this is a truth that is completely hushed about as it is part of the lifestyle and culture. I have this from first hand accounts as well as the historical literature. I am not going to take the time to continue here as it will only be knocked down by an evidently "shut off" person. And again, I say this not because it meets my needs or fits my moral compass. I have no moral compass apart from God. I am the worst kind of saved sinner...I had sold all hope, love, kindness, for a selfish lifestyle of drug confusion and utter pointlessness. I have just as much potential now to life for self as I ever did. And like I said in my first post, homosexuality is a parasite on self/identity that states, "God made me this way." It is becoming to the point where fringe "christians" say, "Yeah...he did." I say "he" rather than He because as we know, He clearly didn't/doesn't.

No one listens to believing Christians because we believe we need to die to self, and we want sin and the world to meet its end. If a reprehensible sin becomes so accepted and promoted by/in the world that same-sex relationship blots out God's obvious will in Genesis, then we have a serious problem. Believers should speak out against it...and if the powers that be eventually turn to persecuting us for this, then we should prepare to lay it all on the line. I am thankful that others see this as a battle of life and death!
 

Nautilus

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Again I will tell you to do some research. Research. Everything comes from somewhere right? If you consider what I have said, and that the first homosexual experience of many is actually something even more socially reprehensible than two consenting adults, does that not also become "part of" homosexuality. Again, this is a truth that is completely hushed about as it is part of the lifestyle and culture. I have this from first hand accounts as well as the historical literature. I am not going to take the time to continue here as it will only be knocked down by an evidently "shut off" person. And again, I say this not because it meets my needs or fits my moral compass. I have no moral compass apart from God. I am the worst kind of saved sinner...I had sold all hope, love, kindness, for a selfish lifestyle of drug confusion and utter pointlessness. I have just as much potential now to life for self as I ever did. And like I said in my first post, homosexuality is a parasite on self/identity that states, "God made me this way." It is becoming to the point where fringe "christians" say, "Yeah...he did." I say "he" rather than He because as we know, He clearly didn't/doesn't.

No one listens to believing Christians because we believe we need to die to self, and we want sin and the world to meet its end. If a reprehensible sin becomes so accepted and promoted by/in the world that same-sex relationship blots out God's obvious will in Genesis, then we have a serious problem. Believers should speak out against it...and if the powers that be eventually turn to persecuting us for this, then we should prepare to lay it all on the line. I am thankful that others see this as a battle of life and death!
What someone CHOOSES to do in their personal life..well as long as it doesnt hurt others, doesnt bother me.
 
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This is a terrible comparison. Homosexuality for the most part occurs between two consenting ADULTS. Pedophilia only occurs one consenting adult. No one is being harmed if two guys fall in love. Its certainly not the same as a grown man taken advantage of a child. Comparisons like that are why no one listens to christians on this topic.
Well, Im sorry that you see it as a terrible comparison. As the Bible says, all sexual immorality is wrong. And one being an abomination. Even if a person over eighteen was to have consensual sex with anyone under eighteen would be considered rape or wrong in the sight of man. It is still wrong consensual sex between any two adults in the sight of God. Both heterosexual and homosexual if they are not married.

I believe the argument from Christians dont hold much weight due to the fact Christians view homosexual sex as wrong, while overlook heterosexual sex out of wedlock as being wrong as well.

which the question being asked of this post is not a question of heterosexual or homosexual sex as being right or wrong. The question is, Why does being Christian mean you have to hate same-sex marriage? The Bible tells us to hate the sin and not the sinner! Same-sex marriage is the sin that we hate! Not the homosexual, whom we should love! Because our Lord says, Marriage is between a man and a woman.


There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. (Proverbs 14:12).
 
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The Bible also tells us to stone rape victims, that sacrificing lambs will cleanse us of our sins, that shellfish is evil, etc. etc. Yet we don't follow these parts...
And smithbr8, Why dont you become more sure in your faith before you wish to try bring scripture in your argument? Or what you think you know of scripture. You yourself state that your unsure of your Spiritual Status. So its not a judgment call. Its what you clearly stated on your own.
 
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greatblue

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What someone CHOOSES to do in their personal life..well as long as it doesnt hurt others, doesnt bother me.
I don't understand how you don't understand that it does hurt others.
 
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I don't understand how you don't understand that it does hurt others.
It is hurting us right now as we become more divided on this issue. It is also hurting us as some of our justification leads us further away from the truth. This argument just being one. A smoke screen to many others that has us fighting over what is right or wrong when the bible clearly tells us.
 

Justcuz

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i wish there was a Chick-fil-A in the Netherlands...
 
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smithbr8

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And smithbr8, Why dont you become more sure in your faith before you wish to try bring scripture in your argument? Or what you think you know of scripture. You yourself state that your unsure of your Spiritual Status. So its not a judgment call. Its what you clearly stated on your own.
Why does me not being sure what religion to label myself as automatically mean I must've never read the Bible nor understand the English in which it's written? I am strictly quoting the scripture as it is written. Yes, we as a society deem it necessary to analyze and interpret the Word of God, and I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. My concern is we interpret some things and say others need to be read as is. Why do we distinguish between the two?

How do we know 100% that God absolutely meant to take this passage literally and it was not in the slightest symbolic when he (as some Christians claim) said to "hate homosexuality"? We seem to hate this sin more than any others. Why?
 

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I don't understand how you don't understand that it does hurt others.
I don't know im not in physical, mental, or emotional pain over others decision to be gay. If that is what makes them happy in their life, then go be happy. I have yet to see a single negative thing in my life, because someone else chose to be gay.
 
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greatblue

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If that is what makes them happy in their life, then go be happy.
This is obviously what lukewarm feels like and I encourage you to surrender your personal opinions to Jesus Christ and God's word.